F
Fred
Arno said:
No you didnt until much later.
He's only posted twice so far.
No you didnt until much later.
He's only posted twice so far.
R
Rod Speed
We arent talking about a benchtop, we are talking about a laptop.
There are few laptops with hard drives that dont have a maintenance/bios
partition on the hard drive and so it makes sense to do the bios menu stuff
on that partition where there's a lot more space for a decent UI etc.
Laptops do that differently.
And some dont show the user anything boot option wise if the hard drive
is missing or unrecognised because its a drive out of a different laptop.
R
Rod Speed
Ato_Zee said:
Nope, you just put in a replacement drive with the recovery partition on it.
And thats completely trivial to do if you did a full image of the physical drive before
it died. You just put that back on the replacement drive in a desktop system etc.
Not a shred of rocket science whatever required.
Wrong. I've done that repeatedly.
No need if its a decent brand of laptop that got a lot of battery
support and which uses the same battery in a lot of its models.
Just did it with a Compaq.
T
Trent
Wasn't commenting on the OP problem, just your assertion. If #reset is
being asserted due to a faulty PATA interface, the drive will not spin up.
F
Fred
Trent wrote
More fool you. I was clearly commenting on the OP's situation.
Wrong, as always.
If the PC controller is completely dead, it wont be asserting #reset, stupid.
More fool you. I was clearly commenting on the OP's situation.
Wrong, as always.
If the PC controller is completely dead, it wont be asserting #reset, stupid.
X
XYLOPHONE
Hello,
Here are even more details on my issue, and other experiments I did.
LAPTOP HD ON PC W/ADAPTOR:
- I have tried removing the data cable, and leaving only the power on.
Still no spin or motor sound or even vibrations (My ears are good, can
make difference between music on vinyl and CD). Furthermore, the
desktop BIOS detects no IDE drive. I borrow the cable end from the HD
which is normally in that PC.
ON THE LAPTOP:
- The laptop is a Compaq EVO N800c (Series PP2130 written on back)
using Pentium 4.
- The key sequence is CTRL-F10 (I think, because I quickly press many
keys), and when the BIOS is supposed to arrive, a small blue box
appears asking for a password. It gives 3 chances and everything
freezes on 3rd fail.
- There is 1 drive slot, I tried sliding both a Floppy and DVD drive.
In all cases, no boot, but the drive whirr once (floppy) or the CD in
drive spins up to full speed for a while, then slows down to low speed
and finally stops. This lets me think the drive (DVD or Floppy) is
tested in POST, but is not attempting to boot.
- I found 2 USB floppy drives. I tried both, and same thing. It's
POSTed, but apparently not trying to boot.
- While doing all these tests, I try the laptop with NO HD to see what
happens, and I get a strange message "Non-system disk or disk error,
replace and strike any key". This is strange, because it doesn't
attempt to boot from anything (afaik) but the message is exactly the
one of the boot sector of typical DOS/WINdows non-bootable disk. In
reality, it would somehow boot even if only to write that message. Or
it is an EXACT replica of that message in some kind of ROM or flash
memory. Now I just tried it with no floppy, no CD, no HD, and still
same message. If I press a key, it quickly disappears and reappears,
but nothing whirrs or light up even if there is a floppy or CD.
- And if I put the original XP HD it boots to that password no matter
boot option chosen, and the HD from other laptop just freezes with
cursor on top left, as I said in earlier post.
Any ideas?
Knowing the model, if anyone knows how to access CMOS battery or
jumper on motherboard, I could go that way, but I still keep this as
the last solution.
Thanks, again...
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Fred" <[email protected]>
Date: Jul 17, 8:50 pm
Subject: Using laptop HD on desktop, no power felt.
To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage, comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc
No you didnt until much later.
He's only posted twice so far.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Here are even more details on my issue, and other experiments I did.
LAPTOP HD ON PC W/ADAPTOR:
- I have tried removing the data cable, and leaving only the power on.
Still no spin or motor sound or even vibrations (My ears are good, can
make difference between music on vinyl and CD). Furthermore, the
desktop BIOS detects no IDE drive. I borrow the cable end from the HD
which is normally in that PC.
ON THE LAPTOP:
- The laptop is a Compaq EVO N800c (Series PP2130 written on back)
using Pentium 4.
- The key sequence is CTRL-F10 (I think, because I quickly press many
keys), and when the BIOS is supposed to arrive, a small blue box
appears asking for a password. It gives 3 chances and everything
freezes on 3rd fail.
- There is 1 drive slot, I tried sliding both a Floppy and DVD drive.
In all cases, no boot, but the drive whirr once (floppy) or the CD in
drive spins up to full speed for a while, then slows down to low speed
and finally stops. This lets me think the drive (DVD or Floppy) is
tested in POST, but is not attempting to boot.
- I found 2 USB floppy drives. I tried both, and same thing. It's
POSTed, but apparently not trying to boot.
- While doing all these tests, I try the laptop with NO HD to see what
happens, and I get a strange message "Non-system disk or disk error,
replace and strike any key". This is strange, because it doesn't
attempt to boot from anything (afaik) but the message is exactly the
one of the boot sector of typical DOS/WINdows non-bootable disk. In
reality, it would somehow boot even if only to write that message. Or
it is an EXACT replica of that message in some kind of ROM or flash
memory. Now I just tried it with no floppy, no CD, no HD, and still
same message. If I press a key, it quickly disappears and reappears,
but nothing whirrs or light up even if there is a floppy or CD.
- And if I put the original XP HD it boots to that password no matter
boot option chosen, and the HD from other laptop just freezes with
cursor on top left, as I said in earlier post.
Any ideas?
Knowing the model, if anyone knows how to access CMOS battery or
jumper on motherboard, I could go that way, but I still keep this as
the last solution.
Thanks, again...
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Fred" <[email protected]>
Date: Jul 17, 8:50 pm
Subject: Using laptop HD on desktop, no power felt.
To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage, comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc
No you didnt until much later.
He's only posted twice so far.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
R
Rod Speed
XYLOPHONE wrote
Feeling the drive with your hand is the best test for a spinup.
If it doesnt spinup in that config, there is some fundamental
problem with the adapter powering the drive.
That doesnt say anything useful about how well you can hear very quiet sounds.
Thats because it never spins up.
That can set an ATA password in the drive.
The maintenance manual calls it a DriveLock password.
That means that the drive cant be used even if its removed from the laptop.
F10 actually.
It may not be set to boot either.
Nothing strange about that.
It clearly does and that is why you get that
message when there is no hard drive present.
Its the classic bios error message with no hard
drive present and nothing else to boot from.
What ?
Yes, its what most bios report with nothing that can be booted.
Because there is nothing it can boot from.
It may not have them in the boot list.
Thats normal with a bios password set. It wont
do anything until you enter the correct password.
http://bizsupport1.austin.hp.com/bc/docs/support/SupportManual/c01134170/c01134170.pdf
Section 1.3 tells you how to clear the cmos and reset the passwords.
http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsuppor...kId=101&prodTypeId=321957&prodSeriesId=316692
has all the manuals.
Feeling the drive with your hand is the best test for a spinup.
If it doesnt spinup in that config, there is some fundamental
problem with the adapter powering the drive.
That doesnt say anything useful about how well you can hear very quiet sounds.
Thats because it never spins up.
That can set an ATA password in the drive.
The maintenance manual calls it a DriveLock password.
That means that the drive cant be used even if its removed from the laptop.
F10 actually.
It may not be set to boot either.
Nothing strange about that.
It clearly does and that is why you get that
message when there is no hard drive present.
Its the classic bios error message with no hard
drive present and nothing else to boot from.
What ?
Yes, its what most bios report with nothing that can be booted.
Because there is nothing it can boot from.
It may not have them in the boot list.
Thats normal with a bios password set. It wont
do anything until you enter the correct password.
http://bizsupport1.austin.hp.com/bc/docs/support/SupportManual/c01134170/c01134170.pdf
Section 1.3 tells you how to clear the cmos and reset the passwords.
http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsuppor...kId=101&prodTypeId=321957&prodSeriesId=316692
has all the manuals.
A
Arno
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc XYLOPHONE said:
Hmm. It seems very likely the disk does not get power. Maybe your
adapter is broken.
That may be a BIOS setup password.
Likely correct.
Likely not it the BOOT sequence in the BIOS setup.
That is the standard message, if none of the configured boot
devices are detected. It your case it looks as if the machine
is set to only boot from HDD. Generally this does not allow
diagnostics in case of problems, as you are finding out. The
typical fix is to go into the BIOS setup (which does not
require the HDD or anything, just possibly the BIOS setup
password) and configure an additionsl boot device.
Not strange, but likely nothing but the HDD is configured to be
bootable.
You could try to copy the XP installation to a different disk
in order to determine whether the laptop BIOS is expecting
this particular disk or just the system on it.
Here are some references that may describe your issue:
http://forums13.itrc.hp.com/service...47627+1248121832472+28353475&threadId=1056906
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080320220803AAJzJNM
http://bizsupport1.austin.hp.com/bc/docs/support/SupportManual/c01134170/c01134170.pdf
It seems this thing can be locked and that others went the way
of disconnecting the CMOS battery. The third link is the
"Maintenance and Service guide", that seems to be what
you are looking for, see Section 5.17.
Arno
T
Trent
Don't give a **** about the OP problem, just your idiotic incorrect
assertion, dick-less.
Nope. Go ahead and try it, shitlips. Short #reset to GND and power up the
motherboard; the drive will *not* spin up.
Now and again one has to apply the Ruler of Reason to the Knuckles of
Stupidity. If the PATA port is completely dead, #reset could be driven or
not. No one can say, you numb, flatulent ****.
F
Fred
Trent said:
Wota stunningly rational line of argument you have there, child.
That wont happen even if the PC controller is completely dead, ****wit child.
Pity that wont happen even if the PC controller is completely dead, ****wit child.
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
Wrong, as always.
Wota stunningly rational line of argument you have there, ****wit child.
T
Trent
Ever hear of topic drift, Pinhead?
Absolutely, positively, not.
It can, but you're much too ignorant to understand why. Shorting it to GND
would simulate a controller that is dead in such a way as to be asserting
#reset.
See above, Chim-Chim.
The true Rod comes out. When will you begin your snip-n-run tactics?
Completely correct, Mongo.
Starting to repeat yourself just like you did when I kicked your flabby
ass over this exact same issue in 2007. Heh.
F
Fred
Wota stunningly rational line of argument you have there, child.
Wrong, as always.
Wota stunningly rational line of argument you have there, child.
Wrong, as always. No dead controller would short that, ****wit child.
Completely useless, as always with your shit, ****wit.
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
Wrong, as always.
Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland, ****wit child.
T
Trent
Indeed. And you'd do well to remember that, Rain Man.
It's an easy experiment to do. Instead of making a fool of yourself on
Usenet (again) why don't you power up a drive with it's #reset signal
connected to GND?
That goes without saying. A pity you're unable to keep up.
You have no way of knowing *how* a piece of silicon will behave when it
fails, Rain Man. In fact, when a chip fails internally, one of the most
common faults is that one or more of it's outputs will be driven low.
Like #reset, for example. Heh.
It's a good thing you aren't wearing cleats, as often as you step
on your crank.
I've noticed. That's usually when you start churning out weak comebacks
like that.
How ****ing persistent you are. I admire a captain that goes down with his
ship, though.
Would you like a re-post?
R
Rod Speed
Some gutless ****wit desperately cowering behind
Trent desperately attempted to bullshit its way out of its
predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.
Trent desperately attempted to bullshit its way out of its
predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.
X
XYLOPHONE
Thanks Arno, for the links. I know how to unmount everything...
Meanwhile, I have been able to get another adapter, and format the
HDD.
No password anymore! I made it a bootable disk (making a Ghost copy of
the desktop partition).
I put the drive back in the laptop, and surprise! Nothing happens,
just a blank screen with cursor at top left!!! So it's just the same
symptoms as the other drive that came from the other laptop.
I discovered the original laptop drive is a 60GB drive. The one from
the other laptop is a 20GB drive.
I know this is the Windows from another machine, but I expected it to
boot to some point, freeze, or crash... If I only could get to a DOS
prompt, I could try and reset battery using DEBUG. How would I do
this, now that the original drive is erased, and made bootable again.
Thanks.
Meanwhile, I have been able to get another adapter, and format the
HDD.
No password anymore! I made it a bootable disk (making a Ghost copy of
the desktop partition).
I put the drive back in the laptop, and surprise! Nothing happens,
just a blank screen with cursor at top left!!! So it's just the same
symptoms as the other drive that came from the other laptop.
I discovered the original laptop drive is a 60GB drive. The one from
the other laptop is a 20GB drive.
I know this is the Windows from another machine, but I expected it to
boot to some point, freeze, or crash... If I only could get to a DOS
prompt, I could try and reset battery using DEBUG. How would I do
this, now that the original drive is erased, and made bootable again.
Thanks.
R
Rod Speed
XYLOPHONE said:
Its actually the classic result you get if the Win install was on a system
with the chipset different enough to the one you are getting that effect with.
The manual link I gave you tells ou how to reset the laptop
at a variety of levels, reset the password, reset the cmos etc.
Normally you could fix that blank screen with a cursor at top left
by booting from the Win CD and doing a repair install. But you said
cant boot the Win CD. Maybe you can now that the password is gone.
If that doesnt work, reset the cmos as the manual says and boot
the Win CD once you can tell the laptop to boot off the CD.
T
Trent
<[email protected]>:
I noticed that I didn't get a response to my last post in this subject, so
I google groped this thread to see if you had replied. Sure enough, like
Pavlov's dog, you did. But, understandably, your "Rod Speed" persona is
kill-filed.
[All my valid assertions go MIA.]
But, I'll summarize again. Take *any* PATA hard drive and short pin 1 to
pin 2, (#RESET to GND) then apply power to the drive. The motor will *not*
spin up. This will not hurt the drive whatsoever, in case anybody might
not know this - you could even use a flat blade screwdriver to short the
two pins. Rod is probably unable to find these two pins on a PATA drive,
so is unable to perform this simple test.
Anyway, on to Rod's copy-n-paste canned response:
Three days ago I posted:
Heh. SPANK, you ****ing weak-kneed pussy.
Don't bother "cowering behind" your kill-filed "Rod Speed" nym if you want
me to see your response, ****nuts. I won't bother taking the time to
Google group search this thread again.
Buh-bye!
I noticed that I didn't get a response to my last post in this subject, so
I google groped this thread to see if you had replied. Sure enough, like
Pavlov's dog, you did. But, understandably, your "Rod Speed" persona is
kill-filed.
[All my valid assertions go MIA.]
But, I'll summarize again. Take *any* PATA hard drive and short pin 1 to
pin 2, (#RESET to GND) then apply power to the drive. The motor will *not*
spin up. This will not hurt the drive whatsoever, in case anybody might
not know this - you could even use a flat blade screwdriver to short the
two pins. Rod is probably unable to find these two pins on a PATA drive,
so is unable to perform this simple test.
Anyway, on to Rod's copy-n-paste canned response:
Three days ago I posted:
Heh. SPANK, you ****ing weak-kneed pussy.
Don't bother "cowering behind" your kill-filed "Rod Speed" nym if you want
me to see your response, ****nuts. I won't bother taking the time to
Google group search this thread again.
Buh-bye!
R
Rod Speed
Some gutless ****wit desperately cowering behind
Trent desperately attempted to bullshit its way out of its
predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.
Trent desperately attempted to bullshit its way out of its
predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.
A
Arno
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage XYLOPHONE said:
Ok, first step accomplished, the disk works and has what you want on it.
If they implemented the password protection right, then you cannot.
You should have a look at the battery removal instructions, form
a quick glance they did not seem to problematic.
Arno
J
John Turco
Rod said:
Hello, Rod:
In the message that you'd deleted, "Trent" the knucklehead had said, he'd
"google groped this thread." In my opinion, if he would grope a Google, it's
safe to assume he'd fondle a floppy, or perhaps, even pet a Pentium.
Hence, he definitely appears to be among the most depraved of Poms!
