USB 2.0 is a goner

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USB 2.0 devices have hit the wall big time.

Somewhere along the line recently, Microsoft has released a bugfix (more
likely a bug) that stops any USB 2.0 devices (or USB 1.1 devices on a USB 2.0
controller) from working correctly.

Try it for yourself, update your operating system to the latest patches and
all Microsoft Update updates on offer, reboot then plug in your reliable
device such as your thumb drive and your external USB Hard drive.

The statistics shown below are my experiences, the technical people I work
with and the clients that I support. Each instance is on XP Service Pack 2
with the latest patches installed.

Kaput!
"USB Device not recognised" (15 reported instances from individual clients)
"Unknown Device" (15 reported instances from individual clients)
"USB Device has exceeded the power usage" (8 reported instances from
individual clients)
"Delayed write failed (only 1 reported instance of this error)

Now my question's are......Is there a problem? Is there an answer? If this
is patch related (which my tech intuition is screaming to me) then how the
hell did it pass the Windows High Quality Labs? How did it get released to
the public.

I am fuming about this as there is NO FIX available on the internet.

It is not a hardware vendor problem as it has always worked fine until about
3 - 4 weeks ago. It is not platform specific and the only common thread is XP
SP2 and latest updates.

An article in the MS Knowledge Base suggests "buy a powered USB hub"

Why would a perfectly good device suddenly need power when it has been
working correctly day in day out?

So the question I pose to Bill & Friends is... Is USB 2.0 a goner???
 
Numpty said:
USB 2.0 devices have hit the wall big time.

Somewhere along the line recently, Microsoft has released a bugfix
(more likely a bug) that stops any USB 2.0 devices (or USB 1.1
devices on a USB 2.0 controller) from working correctly.

Try it for yourself, update your operating system to the latest
patches and all Microsoft Update updates on offer, reboot then plug
in your reliable device such as your thumb drive and your external
USB Hard drive.

The statistics shown below are my experiences, the technical people I
work with and the clients that I support. Each instance is on XP
Service Pack 2 with the latest patches installed.

Kaput!
"USB Device not recognised" (15 reported instances from individual
clients) "Unknown Device" (15 reported instances from individual
clients) "USB Device has exceeded the power usage" (8 reported
instances from individual clients)
"Delayed write failed (only 1 reported instance of this error)

Now my question's are......Is there a problem? Is there an answer? If
this is patch related (which my tech intuition is screaming to me)
then how the hell did it pass the Windows High Quality Labs? How did
it get released to the public.

I am fuming about this as there is NO FIX available on the internet.

It is not a hardware vendor problem as it has always worked fine
until about 3 - 4 weeks ago. It is not platform specific and the only
common thread is XP SP2 and latest updates.

An article in the MS Knowledge Base suggests "buy a powered USB hub"

Why would a perfectly good device suddenly need power when it has been
working correctly day in day out?

So the question I pose to Bill & Friends is... Is USB 2.0 a goner???
Click to expand...

I haven't seen this problem personally or with any customers. Is there a
common factor with the failing computers? Do they all have the same device
installed, eg. same USB printer, card reader, whatever?
 
Works fine for me. All the latest updates, USB 2.0 works flawlessly. Thumb
drive works fine.
 
No probs here either.

--
Peter
Toronto, Canada
2 x XP Pro SP2 (1 everyday, 1 for testing)
P4 HT @ 3.0ghz, 2.0gb DDR, 360gb HD
Ted Zieglar said:
Works fine for me. All the latest updates, USB 2.0 works flawlessly. Thumb
drive works fine.
Click to expand...
 
No common factor I have found other than SP2 (XP) and SP1 (Server 2003)

Regional Settings are all set to English Australia, usually set to defaults
for Power Management.

All seem to be using the Intel PCI to USB Universal Host Controller (even
the AMD machines I have worked with)

I have tried changing from the enhanced mode driver to the MS standard and
still to no avail.

The error I receive is something along the lines of "USB Device Not
Recognized" and then under USB Controllers in Device Mgr you see Unknown
Device and it will not reset itself.

Very very frustrating.




--
"Numpty"
MCP - XP, 2000 Server & 2000 Active Directory


Peter said:
No probs here either.
Click to expand...
 
Numpty said:
No common factor I have found other than SP2 (XP) and SP1 (Server
2003)

Regional Settings are all set to English Australia, usually set to
defaults for Power Management.

All seem to be using the Intel PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
(even the AMD machines I have worked with)

I have tried changing from the enhanced mode driver to the MS
standard and still to no avail.

The error I receive is something along the lines of "USB Device Not
Recognized" and then under USB Controllers in Device Mgr you see
Unknown Device and it will not reset itself.

Very very frustrating.
Click to expand...

I haven't noticed any more posts than normal regarding USB here or in other
newsgroups. If it was a Windows update usually there would be a flurry of
posts immediately after the update. It could still be an update but only in
certain relatively uncommon situtations. The only solution I can think of is
take a broken machine and wipe it out. Reinstall Windows. Start adding in
drivers and updates one at a time until it breaks again. Time consuming but
probably necessary to find the cause.
 
In short, you are mistaken. Take a good look at your system. In this case,
neither Microsoft nor USB 2.0 are at fault.
 
Granted, I see where you are heading with this and I fully agree with your
logic.

The problem is happening on multiple different hardware platforms.

I even have a Server 2003 running on a really old Compaq server with a USB
2.0 card in it. It happens on this as well.

The exact error is as follows:
***
One of the USB devices attached to this computer has malfunctioned, and
Windows does not recognize it.

Unknown Device
***

I have tried this on multiple platforms and multiple devices, thumb drive
straight out of the box, new and also formatted USB HDD.

This has only started happening to myself and people I know in the last few
weeks. Those I spoke to only admitted it as a problem when I asked if they
had come across the error recently. 9/10 said yes.

I've troubleshooted tougher cookies than this before, I've installed all the
latest whizz bang updates and also rebuilt my computer/s from scratch and
still to no avail.

I am buggered as to what is going on, all I want is a fix...the sooner
someone comes up with one the better...uninstalling the USB Controller in
device manager is not a fix every time you experience it. Turning off the
computer every time is not a fix.

Something HAS changed but no one has flagged it until recently. Search on
google for USB 2.0 problems and you will see a spate of issues people are
experiencing, all with the same issue.
 
People, this is not an isolated incident.

This is not only affecting me.

There are many other tech's I have spoken to regarding this and they are
experiencing the same problem. They are also running multiple different
hardware platforms.

There is NO COMMON FACTOR other than USB 2.0 and SP2.

Those of you around before SP2 would remember a pain in the neck that
required a hotfix for USB to work correctly...well it's back and whether it
is the same issue or not I do not know, but the symptoms are the same.
 
Numpty wrote:
..
Something HAS changed but no one has flagged it until recently.
Search on google for USB 2.0 problems and you will see a spate of
issues people are experiencing, all with the same issue.
Click to expand...

I tried searching both Google and Google groups and don't see anything out
of the ordinary. There usually quite a few people posting with USB problems.
Obviously you are experiencing the problem. As it's not a common problem and
hard to pinpoint the cause I don't see any shortcuts for troubleshooting.
SP2 definately changed the way USB works. I have had problems with older
devices causing BSODs after installing SP2. The only cure was a firmware
update or quit using the device. Good luck. Let us know if you find the
solution.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=xp+sp2+usb+2.0+problem&btnG=Google+Search

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&q=xp sp2 usb 2.0 problem&btnG=Google+Search&sa=N&tab=wg
 
Strange. I have yet to hear any USB complaints on this issue (other than
yours), and I am in daily contact with a large number of people who use
modern PCs running Windows XP under SP2. My own personal network of 3
desktops and 1 laptop have had no problems whatsoever with USB 2.0, and they
all use Windows XP with SP2 and all Microsoft updates installed.

Have you tried doing a System Restore?

Have you installed new software or new hardware recently?
 
Numpty said:
This has only started happening to myself and people I know in the last few
weeks. Those I spoke to only admitted it as a problem when I asked if they
had come across the error recently. 9/10 said yes.
Click to expand...

Then... may be you all have some malware?

--PA
 
Numpty said:
USB 2.0 devices have hit the wall big time.

Somewhere along the line recently, Microsoft has released a bugfix (more
likely a bug) that stops any USB 2.0 devices (or USB 1.1 devices on a USB
2.0
controller) from working correctly.

Try it for yourself, update your operating system to the latest patches
and
all Microsoft Update updates on offer, reboot then plug in your reliable
device such as your thumb drive and your external USB Hard drive.

The statistics shown below are my experiences, the technical people I work
with and the clients that I support. Each instance is on XP Service Pack 2
with the latest patches installed.

Kaput!
"USB Device not recognised" (15 reported instances from individual
clients)
"Unknown Device" (15 reported instances from individual clients)
"USB Device has exceeded the power usage" (8 reported instances from
individual clients)
"Delayed write failed (only 1 reported instance of this error)

Now my question's are......Is there a problem? Is there an answer? If this
is patch related (which my tech intuition is screaming to me) then how the
hell did it pass the Windows High Quality Labs? How did it get released to
the public.

I am fuming about this as there is NO FIX available on the internet.

It is not a hardware vendor problem as it has always worked fine until
about
3 - 4 weeks ago. It is not platform specific and the only common thread is
XP
SP2 and latest updates.

An article in the MS Knowledge Base suggests "buy a powered USB hub"

Why would a perfectly good device suddenly need power when it has been
working correctly day in day out?

So the question I pose to Bill & Friends is... Is USB 2.0 a goner???
Click to expand...

I update many computers on a daily basis (as a service technician), and I
have not once witnessed the problem you are reporting.

I suspect your issue lies with some other problem that is exacerbated by the
patch.

You should never assume that anything that happens on a single machine
constitutes a bug. or that anyone else other than yourself is having it.

Bobby
 
Numpty said:
USB 2.0 devices have hit the wall big time.

Somewhere along the line recently, Microsoft has released a bugfix (more
likely a bug) that stops any USB 2.0 devices (or USB 1.1 devices on a USB 2.0
controller) from working correctly.
Click to expand...

Never heard about an issue about USB2 and SP2.

You could try a complete USB device clearing by
Microsoft devcon and the RenewUSB.bat from
http://www.robvanderwoude.com/devcon.html

Backup the system before...


Greeting from Germany

Uwe
 
NoNoBadDog! said:
You should never assume that anything that happens on a single machine
constitutes a bug. or that anyone else other than yourself is having
it.

Bobby
Click to expand...
Why don't you please take time and read the entire post, before passing
sanctimonius judgement.
He made it abunduntly clear that it effected several (that means more
then one) machines.
 
NoNoBadDog! said:
You should never assume that anything that happens on a single machine
constitutes a bug. or that anyone else other than yourself is having
it.

Bobby
Click to expand...
Why don't you please take time and read the entire post, before passing
sanctimonius judgements.
He made it abunduntly clear that it effected several (that means more
then one) machines.
 
Papa said:
Here's another "sanctimonius" comment. You posted the same messag
twice.
Click to expand...
To my eternal shame, yes I did, and I tried frantically to undo it bu
alas no luck!
You see, we are not allowed to edit our posts and that's what, me bein
a fool as I am, was trying to do.
After all why not allow to edit a fresh post? days or even hours old
fair enugh, but within minutes??? I ask you, Why?
Still, he stated many computers not, a "SINGLE
 
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