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Frank
Rock said:
Sorry Rock, but I do get it and it’s very clear.
You're a brain locked ms minion willing to drink the cool-aid.
That's your problem, not mine.
Frank
p.s. bet its mixed with Evian!
Sorry Rock, but I do get it and it’s very clear.
You're a brain locked ms minion willing to drink the cool-aid.
That's your problem, not mine.
Frank
p.s. bet its mixed with Evian!
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Rock
Frank said:
I was wondering how long it would take you to get to this point. Because
someone believes a particular feature is good makes them an MS minion? This
just shows you have no other substance to back up what you claim. You don't
understand security in depth. You just don't get it. But that's fine, I
really don't care what you believe. I wanted to make sure other readers
understood the fallacy of your arguments. And you have done more than I
possibly could in showing that.
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Frank
Rock said:
You still don't understand or comprehend do you?
Keep drinking!
Frank
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Rock
No, for once you are correct. I don't comprehend the Evian comment or the
drinking comment. What I do know is you don't understand the issues behind
computer security. And everything you post here shows that. I have
finished with this thread. If you feel the need to feed your ego go ahead
and reply, I won't read it.
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Tom Lake
Evian spelled backwards is naive.
Tom Lake
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Frank
Tom said:
Frank
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Rock
Ahh I see, high school kid stuff.
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Jimmy Brush
Who cares what MS marketing thinks? If you don't want control over which
programs run as administrator, you have the power to tell windows to stop
putting you in control and just let all programs run wild.
programs run as administrator, you have the power to tell windows to stop
putting you in control and just let all programs run wild.
J
Jimmy Brush
Hello,
UAC restricts programs by putting you (the user) in control of them. It
gives you power by allowing you to pick and choose which programs will run
with administrative privileges. The UAC screens look like stupid nag screens
but they are much more than that - they control how much access the program
you are running gets to the system in such a complete and total way that has
never been possible before (unless you could put up with running as a
standard user in XP).
You cannot "pick and choose" which actions should cause UAC to prompt
because UAC only prompts for ONE THING - when a program requires
administrative privileges. Windows doesn't know HOW a program will use this
power because it is not possible for Windows to determine this 100%.
Currently, "administrative privileges" is pretty much an all-or-nothing
affair. Defining different "levels" of administration privileges is a
monumental task, as permissions such as "install a program" are so vague and
undefinable, let alone enforcable; what exactly constitutes installing a
program, and how do you lock down all of those actions? These are hard
questions to answer.
As always, if you don't want this kind of control over your system, turn it
off.
UAC restricts programs by putting you (the user) in control of them. It
gives you power by allowing you to pick and choose which programs will run
with administrative privileges. The UAC screens look like stupid nag screens
but they are much more than that - they control how much access the program
you are running gets to the system in such a complete and total way that has
never been possible before (unless you could put up with running as a
standard user in XP).
You cannot "pick and choose" which actions should cause UAC to prompt
because UAC only prompts for ONE THING - when a program requires
administrative privileges. Windows doesn't know HOW a program will use this
power because it is not possible for Windows to determine this 100%.
Currently, "administrative privileges" is pretty much an all-or-nothing
affair. Defining different "levels" of administration privileges is a
monumental task, as permissions such as "install a program" are so vague and
undefinable, let alone enforcable; what exactly constitutes installing a
program, and how do you lock down all of those actions? These are hard
questions to answer.
As always, if you don't want this kind of control over your system, turn it
off.
J
Jimmy Brush
Sorry Rock, but I and countless others don't need to be trained by an
Hello,
I can't help but ask what exactly UAC is training you to do and how it is
overbearing?
UAC is essentially a question mark that asks you if you want to give a
program full access to your computer. There are 2 buttons - Continue and
Cancel - and Windows Vista will tell you how much information it has about
the program requesting administrative access so you can better decide if you
wish to trust it.
This is no simple "NAG SCREEN" - if you DO NOT click Continue that program
will be completely UNABLE to have admin access to your computer. Nag screens
don't have that kind of power.
How is putting you in control over the programs that run on your computer
making you a slave to UAC? Sounds to me like it is making you MASTER over
the programs that run on your computer - instead of allowing all programs to
run without your knowledge or permission will full access to your computer
(you are a slave to the programs on your machine), you are NOW in control
over the programs (they are now a slave to you).
Hello,
I can't help but ask what exactly UAC is training you to do and how it is
overbearing?
UAC is essentially a question mark that asks you if you want to give a
program full access to your computer. There are 2 buttons - Continue and
Cancel - and Windows Vista will tell you how much information it has about
the program requesting administrative access so you can better decide if you
wish to trust it.
This is no simple "NAG SCREEN" - if you DO NOT click Continue that program
will be completely UNABLE to have admin access to your computer. Nag screens
don't have that kind of power.
How is putting you in control over the programs that run on your computer
making you a slave to UAC? Sounds to me like it is making you MASTER over
the programs that run on your computer - instead of allowing all programs to
run without your knowledge or permission will full access to your computer
(you are a slave to the programs on your machine), you are NOW in control
over the programs (they are now a slave to you).
J
Jimmy Brush
Well put, Kerry.
I think an important thing to emphasize is that the reason those running as
an Administrator have such a high infection rate is because before UAC the
person running in an administrator account had no way of controlling how
much access the programs they use have to the system. UAC is the tool they
need that puts this power in their hands.
Obviously, UAC doesn't stop malware. What it does do, and do well, is put
the control of all programs, including malware, into the hands of the
operator.
Personally, I don't understand why someone would give up this control, and I
certaintly don't understand why someone would advise others to do so.
I think an important thing to emphasize is that the reason those running as
an Administrator have such a high infection rate is because before UAC the
person running in an administrator account had no way of controlling how
much access the programs they use have to the system. UAC is the tool they
need that puts this power in their hands.
Obviously, UAC doesn't stop malware. What it does do, and do well, is put
the control of all programs, including malware, into the hands of the
operator.
Personally, I don't understand why someone would give up this control, and I
certaintly don't understand why someone would advise others to do so.
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MICHAEL
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Roberto Baggio
If, from a command prompt, I type in:
C:>del windows
it prompts me if I really want to do this.
No one has a problem with this. Why? Because it's helping to protect the
user from doing something they will regret.
I'd apply the same analogy to UAC.
C:>del windows
it prompts me if I really want to do this.
No one has a problem with this. Why? Because it's helping to protect the
user from doing something they will regret.
I'd apply the same analogy to UAC.
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deebs
Well, ... from a near novice in XP Pro all I can say is I appreciate any
extra security that may be provided from an admin & limited user model.
On the other hand in XP Pro (bearing in mind I am a novice) it seems a
bit of a nightmare installing stuff.
Some stuff works well from a admin install to limited user.
Other stuff does not.
For example, installing phone tools was a bit of a trial and improvement
approach so ... I wonder...
The huge volume of software out there suitable for an XP Pro install
seems implicitly to support an admin user account (perhaps I can now
understand why UAC/UAP may not be too popular?)
Doable all the same?
extra security that may be provided from an admin & limited user model.
On the other hand in XP Pro (bearing in mind I am a novice) it seems a
bit of a nightmare installing stuff.
Some stuff works well from a admin install to limited user.
Other stuff does not.
For example, installing phone tools was a bit of a trial and improvement
approach so ... I wonder...
The huge volume of software out there suitable for an XP Pro install
seems implicitly to support an admin user account (perhaps I can now
understand why UAC/UAP may not be too popular?)
Doable all the same?