Tsk , tsk :-)

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Okay, not-Bart and not-Don,
The truce was holding nicely. Can't we resume it? There have even
been non-Vuescan bug related postings recently. Isn't that progress?

Indeed! As you've shown, one can condemn antisocial behavior on
principle, without implying support for any one person in particular.

Therefore, regardless of our disagreements Roger, you've proven that
you're on the level, as far as this goes. The silence from all the
others is both deafening and telling... :-/
Have a nice vacation Don, and I hope your scanning project wraps up
well.

Thanks! It's all digital now (and has been for a while). I just got a
new 1GB memory card to store all those pics I'm going to take! :-)

Fingers crossed air travel is back to normal next week. :-/

Don.
 
Don said:
Indeed! As you've shown, one can condemn antisocial behavior on
principle, without implying support for any one person in particular.

A few questions, with my answers in parentheses. Other answers
would be interesting.

1. Is it antisocial to libel real people using an anonymous account? (yes)

2. Is it antisocial for two people to use the same pseudonym? (no)

3. Who "owns" the right to use a pseudonym? (no property right exists)

4. Is it possible, even in theory, to legally libel someone who uses a
pseudonym? (no)

5. Is it antisocial to forge postings of real people? (yes.)

6. Is it antisocial to post anonymously? (yes)

Don
 
Don,
The silence from all the

Don't assume what my silence means. You had asked for my opinion on bad
posting behavior aimed at you and I actually took some time to read some
of your post history here to decide. My opinion is that you are a two
faced, smiling, manipulative troll, being friendly and helpful with one
face while carrying out an agenda of attacks and defamation aimed at
some of the most knowledgeable posters here with the other face. It's a
shame because you are a bright, knowledgeable guy. I was just going to
keep it to myself and not say anything, but if you are going to try to
use my silence to mean something, that's what it meant.
 
Don't assume what my silence means. You had asked for my opinion on bad
posting behavior aimed at you and I actually took some time to read some
of your post history here to decide. My opinion is that you are a two
faced, smiling, manipulative troll, being friendly and helpful with one
face while carrying out an agenda of attacks and defamation aimed at
some of the most knowledgeable posters here with the other face. It's a
shame because you are a bright, knowledgeable guy. I was just going to
keep it to myself and not say anything, but if you are going to try to
use my silence to mean something, that's what it meant.

Bruce,

The fact that you would understand "*ALL* the others" as referring
*ONLY* to *YOU* is a prime example of "reading into". As I always say:
*context* and *read*. Don't "read into". The same goes for the posting
history "review" which you've obviously done without taking the
context or objective facts into account to draw such "conclusions".

I don't see your name mentioned above so I see no reason why you take
it personally. Except, of course, if there's a chip on your shoulder.

And, indeed, the rest of your reply clearly shows there is. With an
attitude and prejudice like that you have clearly made up your mind
(based solely on your feelings) and no fact will convince you
otherwise. Fair enough. You're certainly entitled. However...

Since I don't engage in pointless name calling I will now return to
ignoring your messages, even those that - on surface - may appear
genuine, like the one I originally responded to in this (sub)thread.

In closing, a two-part rhetorical question:
- Is that how a troll behaves (i.e. actively *avoiding* flame wars)?
- Can you exercise the same amount of self-discipline (especially
bearing in mind *your* past posting history calling Don names)!?

Food for thought!

Don.
 
1. Is it antisocial to libel real people using an anonymous account? (yes)

2. Is it antisocial for two people to use the same pseudonym? (no)

3. Who "owns" the right to use a pseudonym? (no property right exists)

4. Is it possible, even in theory, to legally libel someone who uses a
pseudonym? (no)

5. Is it antisocial to forge postings of real people? (yes.)

6. Is it antisocial to post anonymously? (yes)

Do you really expect anyone to engage in a meaningful discussion with
someone faking a message!? Or to even take the fakes seriously? Hello?

That fact that you do shows how totally divorced from reality you've
become.

Don.
 
Bart pretending to be said:
A few questions, with my answers in parentheses. Other answers
would be interesting.

1. Is it antisocial to libel real people using an anonymous account? (yes)

2. Is it antisocial for two people to use the same pseudonym? (no)

3. Who "owns" the right to use a pseudonym? (no property right exists)

4. Is it possible, even in theory, to legally libel someone who uses a
pseudonym? (no)

5. Is it antisocial to forge postings of real people? (yes.)

6. Is it antisocial to post anonymously? (yes)

Like Don said:

Do you really expect anyone to engage in a meaningful discussion with
someone faking a message!? Or to even take the fakes seriously? Hello?

That fact that you do shows how totally divorced from reality you've
become.

Bart

Spam me here: (e-mail address removed)
And also here: (e-mail address removed)
 
"Since I don't engage in pointless name calling "

Rest of this thread and the other fake posts notwithstanding...
 
"Since I don't engage in pointless name calling "

Rest of this thread and the other fake posts notwithstanding...

To date, nobody has yet found a single message *IN CONTEXT* and
*WITHOUT READING INTO* that shows otherwise.

Don't confuse that with the *recent* advent of legitimate defense in
reaction to unprovoked faking of messages. That's a totally different
category. Surely, you can see the difference.

But I challenge anyone to show *ONE* single message where Don either
responded to or initiated blatant name calling. ONE! In context and
just the facts - no "reading into" with subjective "interpretation".

Key phrases:
- in context
- without ad hominem, wanton, creative "reading into"

Example:

Don *carefully* writes:
... some (the rabid) Vuescan fans (not to be confused with regular
fans) ...

The mob *recklessly* reads/sees:
... Don says *all* Vuescan fans are rabid ...

:-/

Don.
 
Don,
The fact that you would understand "*ALL* the others" as referring
*ONLY* to *YOU* is a prime example of "reading into".

I did not say you were referring to only me. I am well aware that there
are a large group of people upset by you. But since you posted in reply
to my message, I certainly felt I was included in the group you were
trying to belittle.

Try stopping the nonsense and sticking to posts about scanning without
attacking individuals or twisting facts. You are allowed an opinion,
but when your opinion is purposely inflammatory and then used as a
platform to beat on people and spread half truths, don't be surprised if
people consider you a troll. I got drawn into this with your "highest
quality jpg stands out like a soar thumb" thread, which is just a lie
you had fun with.
 
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