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Rob
MightyKitten said:
What about GoldenSectionNotes. It is listed at
http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/PL2004ORGANIZERS.htm
Rob
What about GoldenSectionNotes. It is listed at
http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/PL2004ORGANIZERS.htm
Rob
O
omega
[re Notebark Lite]
With no hesitation, I'd say it cannot rival either of those outstanding
programs, Keynote or Treepad.
It can serve as a supplementary program. As a PIM, or todo type thing.
I consider it a very good replacement for the payware program named
Action Outline.
It has a highly visual sparkle, candy and balloons.
This is the kind of aspect I consider personally helpful for my unpleasant,
bleak data of the realworld todo type. Eg: dental appointment, download
Datek statements, file IRS form, call for appliance repair, etc.
For this kind of todo/calendar use, it is good that it also offers some
automated time-date stamps in the nodes, if wanted.
Creation of nodes, namings, navigation, it's very smooth. The graphical
node icons are a good feature, and they're fast and easy to choose.
One general function it has is hyperlink support. Including of the form
that you get when using the Run.. line. Mainly, I mean, I can have this
kind of thing:
file:rm.lnk
Since I've an .lnk named in a subdir of my path, I can launch the associated
prog from Notebark with that relatively short hyperlink line.
Key items missing...
It is not RTF. Most you get is what some text eds offer: global setting for
displayed background color and font.
Not that I necessarily prefer RTF. In fact, I like that Treepad Lite does
not have it. Yet some purposes, one wants it. So making note here that
Notebark Lite is not offering up in that department.
Import/Export.
Import seems kind of fun. Can mass-select a bunch of files, and nodes for
each will generate automatically. Their names will be the full original
paths. This can be a downside, or an upside maybe, depends on preference.
Missing from import. Any kind of support for importing formats of other
tree- types of prog.
Export. Very disappointing. I mean, it sounds so good. HTML, for instance.
Yet the fact is that there is no reflection of the hierarchical layout of
your data at all, in the exports. Not even a little indentation.
Perhaps the XML utils make export operations more interesting. I cannot
really evaluate, or get motivated to test that area, knowing too little
about working with XML...
END. I've had this program installed for a while, but my use has mostly
been sporadic. Despite bulking out this post with a lot of blank lines,
my comments are mainly shallow (first-impression realm). Better would
be if, perhaps, Bob Adkins might be convinced to provide us a more useful
look at this one....
Bjorn Simonsen said:Thanks, got it. First impression ... does not look very "impressive" -
say compared to Keynote/TreePad Lite, but maybe it has some nice
features I have yet to discover (just had a quick look after
installing it now
With no hesitation, I'd say it cannot rival either of those outstanding
programs, Keynote or Treepad.
It can serve as a supplementary program. As a PIM, or todo type thing.
I consider it a very good replacement for the payware program named
Action Outline.
It has a highly visual sparkle, candy and balloons.
This is the kind of aspect I consider personally helpful for my unpleasant,
bleak data of the realworld todo type. Eg: dental appointment, download
Datek statements, file IRS form, call for appliance repair, etc.
For this kind of todo/calendar use, it is good that it also offers some
automated time-date stamps in the nodes, if wanted.
Creation of nodes, namings, navigation, it's very smooth. The graphical
node icons are a good feature, and they're fast and easy to choose.
One general function it has is hyperlink support. Including of the form
that you get when using the Run.. line. Mainly, I mean, I can have this
kind of thing:
file:rm.lnk
Since I've an .lnk named in a subdir of my path, I can launch the associated
prog from Notebark with that relatively short hyperlink line.
Key items missing...
It is not RTF. Most you get is what some text eds offer: global setting for
displayed background color and font.
Not that I necessarily prefer RTF. In fact, I like that Treepad Lite does
not have it. Yet some purposes, one wants it. So making note here that
Notebark Lite is not offering up in that department.
Import/Export.
Import seems kind of fun. Can mass-select a bunch of files, and nodes for
each will generate automatically. Their names will be the full original
paths. This can be a downside, or an upside maybe, depends on preference.
Missing from import. Any kind of support for importing formats of other
tree- types of prog.
Export. Very disappointing. I mean, it sounds so good. HTML, for instance.
Yet the fact is that there is no reflection of the hierarchical layout of
your data at all, in the exports. Not even a little indentation.
Perhaps the XML utils make export operations more interesting. I cannot
really evaluate, or get motivated to test that area, knowing too little
about working with XML...
END. I've had this program installed for a while, but my use has mostly
been sporadic. Despite bulking out this post with a lot of blank lines,
my comments are mainly shallow (first-impression realm). Better would
be if, perhaps, Bob Adkins might be convinced to provide us a more useful
look at this one....
O
omega
Rob said:
Beware that it locks up your data inside it: no export options.
GSN was my very first treepad style prog. I got so enthused that I bought
their payware version GSO. The purchase was made based on their posted
promise that "very soon" they would have export options in that product.
I checked for a year or longer, waited, waited. Then gave up checking,
other than periodically. One day, a new version appeared, so I downloaded.
It didn't work with my registration key. Didn't feel like the email hassles,
records digging, etc. Recently checked back again. The program I bought
seems to have ceased to exist. Some new name there. Some day I might do
the work of communicating with the company, to see if they can provice
me a usable product, that I waited for so long.
When I commit to that comm hassle, perhaps I can at least achive the
result that I can unlock all the data that I unfortunately stored in
GSN and GSO.
Two morals to the story. First, OT, as is the bulk of my story, but anyway.
It's that you don't buy a program based on promises. Most people know this,
but some of us have had to get that rule pounded in via direct experience.
Second, on-topic. Always be sure you can get your data back out, if it
is stored in a proprietary format. Examine carefully a program's export
options. If they are not good, be well advised about drawbacks in making
a commitment of your data into the proprietary format.
GSN will never have export options. This company stopped developing their
freeware product. So I'd advise, really, to stick with something like
Treepad. Or better yet, Keynote, which is very compatible -- as well as
in active development.
M
MightyKitten
Rob said:
On first sight, Golden Notes (version 1.3 ) has a clean interface.
This certainly helps you get started quickly.
With just over 1,01 MiB it is a not too heave loaded tree database
application. The interface is aviable in 8 languages.
Importing Pictures (GIF, BMP, ICO, EMF, WMF) and textfiles (TXT, RTF) is no
problem.
Fonts can be choosen, and a limited number of styles can be chosen. This is
still extended enough for 90% of your goals though
A nice feature is the selection of a different background collor for a
selected piece of text. This can clearly highlight a piece of text.
There is also a nice option to start sa line with a bullet, to summarise
points. Simple commands to add time and/or Date stams are also aviable
The contents of a node (called folder in this tree database) can be viewed
as a table with A-->Z sorting
Pro's:
Nice clean interface
Tree is arrowkeys navigatable
Can import TXT and RTF images
Can import GIF, BMP, ICO, EMF and WMF images
Con's
No way to create tables
No support for JPG and PNG images
No extport to txt or RTF (unless you use copy + paste)
Last Free Version, meaning little or no support or updates
No sorting fom Z-->A in table mode.
Conclusion:
Personally, I think the lack of import and export possiblities makes it
unsuitable for the way I want to use a tree Database.
But If you only need it for text (whether or not with style) it might suite
you just fine. Just remember you will have to copy + paste the entries
manualy
MightyKitten
C
cHris
Bob Adkins said:
That's not very practical with this type of software, as you have to
change the format of the databases as well. Unless you change back and
forth between Keynote and Treepad (Keynote can im/export Treepad
files), which is why I keep these programs. Treepad's freeware version
appears to be abandonware though.
cHris
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Bjorn Simonsen
omega wrote in said:
Thanks for the nice write-up Karen!
I guess it can function as such, as a PIM/todo list thing,
outliner/scratch pad for shorter notes etc. Notebark is not for me
though. Btw it reminded me of a older_shareware_ program I tried
*years ago* under Win3x (16-bit). Name: Vault. Did a search now, and
found author is still around - Vault now in 32-bit version (still
shareware). <http://www.personalmicrocosms.com/> . Screenshots for the
curious here: <http://www.personalmicrocosms.com/html/ss_vlt32.html>
All the best,
Bjorn Simonsen
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Bjorn Simonsen
MightyKitten wrote in said:
I've been using the Lite version some (2.9.5)...the full free older
version 2.6.9 had escaped me. First thing I notice after downloading
and installing the older version now (a no-install setup in fact) is
that is has a somewhat larger exe (521kb) compared to the Lite version
(341kb). But then I also notice the latter is a upx compressed exe,
the former is not. The older fulle version also have a somewhat
different looking toolbar. Beyond that I have not explored how they
might differ. But I am sure some of the regular Treepad users in this
group already have though, so curios if anyone can tell me if the
older free full version is considered "better" than the "lite" version
in some ways, say if it can handle larger files?
I'm not asking for "all the details" on how they differ, just a rough
idea on how they might differ in use... Say like if the Lite version
should be considered an upgrade/improvement vs the older full version
(say if having removed some bugs found in the old). Or say if they are
simply different in other but minor ways (cosmetics/minor feature
enhancements etc)?
And of course, if someone have already written something about Lite vs
Free Full before, please just supply a message-id and pardon me for
not having found it my self
All the best,
Bjorn Simonsen
B
Bob Adkins
Karen,
Have you encounters the "no return to last entry" bug in Keynote? It's
really trivial, but it still pesters me.
Usually when Keynote is closed by any means and re-opened, it returns to the
last entry or the last entry visited. I was spoiled on that nice feature,
and It quit working.
It usually returns to the same entry over and over until manually saved,
whereupon it returns to the saves state regardless of the node selected.
I'm notifying the author.
Bob
Remove "kins" from address to reply.
S
Susan Bugher
Bjorn said:
AFAIK the $ware versions have *added* features - the free version has
never been crippled - so latest should be best - unless you need special
fonts.
http://www.treepad.com/download/
TreePad 2.6.9
Description:
This is an older version, which supports Asian fonts. Suitable for
Windows 95, 98, ME, NT, 2000, XP.
Treepad history is in the Treepad help file (that possibility didn't
occur to me until *after* I looked all over the Treepad site).
Susan
O
omega
Bjorn Simonsen said:
I started using Treepad around late 2001, I think it was, and at that
time there were two product families. The Lite: freeware, plaintext.
The Plus/Pro/whatever: payware, richtext.
I don't know how the early history branched out. In the payware's readme,
the only note I could spot was in this heading: "New features in TreePad
PLUS 3.1.16, compared to the freeware 2.7.3 version."
That older version 2.6.9 there is the plaintext lineage. So, despite
whatever might have been historical facts as far as "full" product
(details that I don't know), I view it best classed as an earlier
incarnation of Treepad Lite / freeware.
The author is good that way. You can run his programs out of the box.
In later programs than this, he includes his installer, for /optional/
use. It's an install.exe file that will execute the (text-readable)
file named install.script.
So decompressed, then the real sizes: 522k for the older, and 871k for the
latest. Treepad, even this later 2.9.5, it's already fast and light. But
then, I noticed a detectable difference on my machine that the first,
smaller one loads more quickly yet.
In the distributed package for ver 2.9.5, there is a file called manual.hjt,
and it has the history of changes. I'll make a rough summary.
o Added: Copy and Paste of Subtrees
Subtrees can be copy/pasted within a Treepad document, and also
between separate running instances of Treepad.
o Improved: Launch Hyperlinks (ctrl-h)
Previously they always had to be surrounded in quotes. As well,
they had to be fully selected before using the launch hyperlink
command. In the later Treepad, these things are unnecessary.
o Added: Search & Replace in Article
o Redesigned: Search (Tree|Subtree|Nodes|Articles)
One aspect to the new design is the convenient search results pane.
Everything about Search has been changed, developed, in this later
version.
There are also some added keystroke shortcuts. And apparently a wide
reworking of the toolbar buttons (I rarely use toolbars, but see them
discussed in the whatsnew chapter).
[...]
For me, those feature changes outlined above make the later product better.
Then for you, if you were to take on regular use of Treepad, you'd further
probably appreciate the various additions to the shortcut keystrokes.
The slight speed increase on loadup that I can detect on my machine with
the earlier, smaller version -- I suspect won't be detectable on your
system.
There would be one advantage in keeping both. It would give us two sets
of layout options. Particularly, the color schemes, as far as what I'd
find notable, tho' it would be all settings: colors, fonts, toolbars,
recently opened list. This is because each of these two versions uses
a different registry key for user settings.
v2.6.9: HKCU\Software\hjh\Treepad\
v2.9.5: HKCU\Software\Freebyte\Treepad2\
Oh, wait. Problem.
The .hjt file format has changed slightly between the two versions. Not
to the extent where the two cannot read each other's files, but where the
display can be affected a bit when older reads the newer. And also, one
would be best off keeping everything consistent. I mean, for example, the
later version generates a field like this: dt=Text. If you ever wanted to
SR or elseways mass-convert your .hjt's, it'd be better to have all of them
using the same layout.
So, conclude. I'd vote staying only with the latest version.
___________
PS dept.
My trying to run the payware side-by-side with the freeware proved a recipe
for bellyache. The core of the problem lay in his use of the same extension
for both. Bad results, even beyond the obvious one - that you don't know
from the extension whether it's one of the plaintext or richtext Treepad
files. An additional bad designe, too. He'd programmed the same window
name for each process. That confused a couple of my programs, such as my
Intellimouse, and my Baxbex open-with shell extension. Then there was the
worst result of all. Anytime I'd run the payware version, it would seize
control of my .hjt files.
So I was made to choose between the two programs. The freeware and the
payware line. The fact is that I much prefer the clean, fast Treepad Lite,
so it's the one I've stuck with.
B
Bjorn Simonsen
Bob Adkins wrote in said:Have you encounters the "no return to last entry" bug in Keynote? It's
really trivial, but it still pesters me.
Usually when Keynote is closed by any means and re-opened, it returns to the
last entry or the last entry visited. I was spoiled on that nice feature,
and It quit working.
Experience the same. Could it be config changes we apply will not
(always) stick in the ini file? I don't know what ini-directive (or
config) covers this, but if we knew we could try manual edit of ini
file. Doesn't seem to be among the extra/additional ones listed in the
help file though.
All the best,
Bjorn Simonsen
S
Susan Bugher
Looks like a tie: 9:24 AM on both our messages.
yours had more info though. . .
Susan
yours had more info though. . .
Susan
B
Bjorn Simonsen
Susan Bugher wrote in said:Treepad history is in the Treepad help file (that possibility didn't
occur to me until *after* I looked all over the Treepad site).
Thanks Susan, will Read The Fine Manual (and Karen's post
for additional info
All the best,
Bjorn Simonsen
B
Bjorn Simonsen
omega wrote in said:
Thank you very much Karen for sharing all that info and your good
observations - much appreciated!
All the best,
Bjorn Simonsen
O
omega
Susan Bugher said:
Asian fonts available in a more recent version:
http://www.treepad.com/download/#tpasia
TreePad Asia 2.9.4 Freeware <treeasia.zip>
On the Pricelessware pages, the links are good. One for TPD Lite 2.9.5,
and one for TPD Asia 2.9.4.
In response to Bjorn's query, I tried examining whether there would be
any value to using the early version 2.6.9. The only pro-argument that
I could come up with is that it has a size/speed advantage..but rather
slight. And it lacks a few worthy features. So, essentially, I judge it
not worth the trouble to bother with.
I'm very glad to not have to think about the TPD payware line. It has
become overwhelmingly confusing. All those different branches. Egad!
<shutting that page down>
O
omega
Susan Bugher said:
(Agree, never crippled in the least.)
The version numbering, I finally just realized, it tells of payware
and freeware status. Anything 1x and 2x is Treepad freeware. And then
3x and after, that's the payware lineage.
That way he did the version numbering, I also read something else into it.
That he planned not leave a road open to "Treepad Lite (freeware) 3X."
What we have now, I think it is the last freeware version we will see.
B
Bjorn Simonsen
omega wrote in said:
Had the exact same feeling when browsing that site. I wonder if they
distribute their product brochures in GEDCOM format?
All the best,
Bjorn Simonsen
O
omega
Bjorn Simonsen said:
Heh. That'd be fitting. Perhaps also recommend a consultant to hire
for the purpose of assessing which darn shade of the product to commit
one's purchasing to. Or maybe there's a weekend seminar, to discuss the
spiderweb of nuances betwixt the 25 variations of his product. And have
the aspirin passed out freely to all attendees.
O
omega
For add to the PL page?
I notice that there has been born a Treepad Linux version.
http://www.treepad.com/download/#tplitelx
http://www.treepad.com/linux/treepadlite
http://freebyte.swmirror.com/treepadlitelx.tar.gz
I notice that there has been born a Treepad Linux version.
http://www.treepad.com/download/#tplitelx
http://www.treepad.com/linux/treepadlite
http://freebyte.swmirror.com/treepadlitelx.tar.gz
O
omega
For add to the PL page?
Ok, after posting I see the PL page has this:
"OS: Windows 9x/ME/NT/2000/XP, Linux"
That's pretty subtle, though. Can see use of having a Linux link...
Ok, after posting I see the PL page has this:
"OS: Windows 9x/ME/NT/2000/XP, Linux"
That's pretty subtle, though. Can see use of having a Linux link...