Time To Get Off The Microsoft Treadmill?

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heheh 8¬D
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Very good :-). Extra sweeties in the plastic cup tonight, John.
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was that you i saw hitting Big Nurse so you could escape
out the window with Injun Joe?
 
Martin said:
Just a note: I once read that a human life is long enough to fully
understand a Smalltalk system in every detail (that would incldude the
compiler, the windows system, etc).
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man, that must have been a really boring life - LOL.
"before i die, i'd like to know my wife in such detail, that when i look
at her for the last time, t'would be like staring in the mirror."
 
asj said:
the problem with this frequent churning of technologies is that a
developer will NEVER be able to accumulate enough seniority in any one
of them...i like the fact that the stuff i learned about java 8 years
ago are still valid to this day.
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Indeed, what's not to like about a platform that's gone nowhere in EIGHT
YEARS.
 
: Indeed, what's not to like about a platform that's gone nowhere in EIGHT
: YEARS.

Java seems to be doing pretty well. It's about where I hope it would be
from the start - in terms of popularity.
 
William said:
"nowhere in EIGHT YEARS" just doesn't have the impact of your earlier
"JAVA IS DEAD" work, perhaps you should seek elsewhere for poetic
inspiration.
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don't you be insultin' the pet poodle of c.l.j.a., now, ye hear?
 
JTK said:
Indeed, what's not to like about a platform that's gone nowhere in EIGHT
YEARS.
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"nowhere in EIGHT YEARS" just doesn't have the impact of your earlier
"JAVA IS DEAD" work, perhaps you should seek elsewhere for poetic
inspiration.
 
asj said:
man, that must have been a really boring life - LOL.
"before i die, i'd like to know my wife in such detail, that when i look
at her for the last time, t'would be like staring in the mirror."
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A human life is not long enough to achieve that.
 
john said:
from microsoft. they've already announced they're dropping
the '.net' from product names.
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The .Net branding was creating confusion, so they are dropping the NAME
from the products. The .Net Framework is fully entrenched in Longhorn,
where OS system components are being written using the .Net Framework (and
managed code).
they have a p2p thinggy coming out.

that would be far more future oriented. i don't think
web methods are taking off, the cool stuff in remoting is
all p2p - not web server based.
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They don't have a p2p thinggy "coming out". I believe you're talking about
this <url: http://research.microsoft.com/camdis/ /> or maybe this <url:
http://research.microsoft.com/~antr/Pastry/ />. However, their R&D teams
are playing with lots of new stuff all the time <url:
http://research.microsoft.com/research/projects/ />. Some of it makes its
way into new products directly, such as ClearType <url:
http://research.microsoft.com/~jplatt/ClearType/ /> and indirectly, such
as Marmot <url: http://research.microsoft.com/apl/#projects />, and some
does not <url: http://research.microsoft.com/theory/ />.

Besides, what makes you think this "p2p thinggy" couldn't be built on the
..Net Framework? or run in places where client-server is not robust enough?
or not practical? P2P does not have to (and probably wouldn't) replace
client-server or .Net.

Take a look at the R&D site at Microsoft, not all of that stuff is
"waiting in the wings" ready to "replace .Net". Some will be built on
..Net, some will be incorporated into new products and some is just
theoretical.

If I picked some Sun R&D program at random, such as <url:
http://research.sun.com/projects/ace/ /> I could argue that Sun is
attempting to make all Java programmers obsolete, when that is clearly
nonsense.

You accuse Microsoft of jumping from techology to technology, but in the
cases you mention, it's /you/ that is jumping to conclusions and reading
something into marketing branding issues and ongoing R&D.
 
The issue is that in some parts of the world, software development firms
still want to go the .NET way because they just can't find good help these
days - Java programmers charge way too much and development takes longer
than it does with PowerBuilder, Developer or VisualBasic, or so they say.

Maybe if they could get together Java and HTML, with the ability to
manipulate HTML objects in Java like we can with JavaScript, we could have
some show. Also, the security features are very restrictive - though giving
Java access to the disk may sound creepy but maybe a particular folder could
be used. Its not like the Microsoft IIS Server didn't allow total access -
its Unicode vulnerability allowed any user connected to the internet to
execute DOS commands to delete, copy, rename or do whatever to the files on
the server, but it still gained popularity.

There is a lot that I have yet to learn in Java but the learning curve does
seem a bit steep considering that I have to look through the documentation
several times before I can get the idea into my little 20kB head and then
creatively, or randomly, develop an application that fits the needs.
 
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