Think BEFORE you post.

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I'm seeing a terribly distubing number of questions that have no purpose
in existing. As an example: How do I change the position of a stream?

Hmm.. Could it be some method on the stream itsself? Probably.

My advice, pleading advice, is that you USE YOUR DAMN BRAINS before spewing
your crap on here. Think about what you are doing. If your question is
"How do I do X with class/object Y?" Then why not open up the Obejct Browser
and take a look at the properties and methods of Y. Also, Google is your
very bestest of friends when trying to FIGURE SOMETHING OUT FOR YOURSELF.

-Bo
 
Hi, I have to agree with GhostInAK, I'm seeing more and more post with
subjects that If you google them for 15 seconds you will see that they haven
been asked and answered 20 times before. I would also advice first try to
find a solution yourself, because you'll learn more by searching in answer
yourself. That's how I always did it, first try to figure/google it out
yourself and then if you realy can't find a answer ask an expert here in the
ng. I'm not discouraging anyone to post here, because we were all newbies
ones, but you'll learn a lot more be searching for an answer yourself then
from an instant answer.
I know I haven't been very active in here for the pas few months but I still
watch the topics every day.

Just my two cents

Greetz Peter
 
It's just that season. The schools have started. :)

Perhaps "How to find documentation and information (1p)" should be a
required course before you could take "VB.NET programming for beginnners
(10p)". ;)
 
That's actualy a good idea :-)
Hopefully some teachers read this post and pay some attention to the subject
in there classes

Greetz, Peter
 
Its important to remember that not everyone thinks on the same levels, or is
as experienced as you may be. Some people may ask a question and be asking
entirely the wrong question, but in context to what they perceive is the
problem, and people like you and me can understand their problem better than
they can.

Sometimes its not until they ask the question - as stuiped as it may be -
that regulars like us can put it into context and point them on their way,
even if its to say go to google cos its been answered 20 times already.
Someone inexperienced may also enjoy answering these repeat problems as a
means of building up their own knowledge. I do though sometimes gag when
its so darn obvious that a simple search would suffice.

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John Timney (MVP)
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John said:
Its important to remember that not everyone thinks on the same levels, or is
as experienced as you may be. Some people may ask a question and be asking
entirely the wrong question, but in context to what they perceive is the
problem, and people like you and me can understand their problem better than
they can.

Sometimes its not until they ask the question - as stuiped as it may be -
that regulars like us can put it into context and point them on their way,
even if its to say go to google cos its been answered 20 times already.
Someone inexperienced may also enjoy answering these repeat problems as a
means of building up their own knowledge. I do though sometimes gag when
its so darn obvious that a simple search would suffice.
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We must also remember that beginners don't exactly have a BASIC ROM to
get into just by turning their computer on - now those were the days!
Today's programming environments are so out there it's amazing beginners
can achieve anything. Object oriented languages are as intuitive as
learning Icelandic!

Microsoft would do well to replace the old qbasic with something similar
so beginners have something quick and easy to get into.

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There are 10 types of people in this world; those who understand the
binary numbering system and those who don't.

There's no place like 127.0.0.1.

ASCII a silly question, get a silly ANSI.
 
John Timney (MVP) said:
Its important to remember that not everyone thinks on the same levels, or
is as experienced as you may be. Some people may ask a question and be
asking entirely the wrong question, but in context to what they perceive
is the problem, and people like you and me can understand their problem
better than they can.

Sometimes its not until they ask the question - as stuiped as it may be -
that regulars like us can put it into context and point them on their way,
even if its to say go to google cos its been answered 20 times already.
Someone inexperienced may also enjoy answering these repeat problems as a
means of building up their own knowledge. I do though sometimes gag when
its so darn obvious that a simple search would suffice.
Click to expand...

I totally agree with the first part of your post. However, for the second
part, successful googling is a skill like any other. When you need to
understand the concepts and keywords you want to know about - something of
an impasse occurs. This group does not need the OP discouraging people from
asking "obvious" questions, or even non-obvious questions; the poster does
not know beforehand whether the question is obvious or not. If the OP
doesn't like these questions, he doesn't have to answer them. This group
has been free of bad attitude for the years I've been using it and I hope it
stays that way. This may mean the OP changing his approach.

The only advice I would give new posters is to always put the question in
context. It's much easier to find the answer that way.
 
Are you guys gonna chat on topic? Take this material to vbdotnet.trashtalk
I don't remember reading anything about checking with peter , google, and
the rest for
permission to post. If you are unhappy, go somewhere else. Its attitudes
like you've
expressed that kill net activity.

Peter, you've been put on my delete list.
 
Hi,

look I didn't want to offend anyone, and I never said you should check with
me before posting.
All I wanted to say: is that for beginning programmers it shouldn't be a
habbit to immediately post a problem if they can't solve it in 2 minutes.
And I know most of the people here first try to solve/research the problem
themself, and if they realy can't find a answer, they post a question.
That's what they call a learning process. And in my opnion that's the best
way to learn something new.
But every now and then you see some posts with topics from which you know
that if the OP would have taken the time to google this ng for 1 minute he
would have found the answer. And in my opinion the ng doesn't benefit from
these kind of posts.
So I hope my point is clear now, I sure as hell don't want to discourage
anyone from posting a question.
I also wonder why you think I'm unhappy with the ng? I think it's the best
place for information/help on vb.net
The only thing I meant to do was give some advice to beginning programmers,
because I know this approach helped me a lot when learning vb.net.

Greetz Peter

--
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build
bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce
bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. (Rich Cook)


Me said:
Are you guys gonna chat on topic? Take this material to vbdotnet.trashtalk
I don't remember reading anything about checking with peter , google, and
the rest for
permission to post. If you are unhappy, go somewhere else. Its attitudes
like you've
expressed that kill net activity.

Peter, you've been put on my delete list.








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The basic problem is that you can't herd cats! So, all of your whining will
be for not in the end. How many newbies do you even think will read this
post? It doesn't appy to them as far as they can see, so they will not even
give it a glance. If you think a problem is too dumb to answer, don't answer
it. Move on to something more challenging.
While I agree that Google is one of my best friends, I alway google before I
come to this group simply because it's faster than waiting for answers here.
If I can't get an answer there, either because I haven't used the correct
key words or I've put it in the wrong context, I'll come here and post and
wait.
NTL, google once, google twice, google many times using different key words
before coming here I do...
And, many times, nobody else knows the answer either it seems. An example is
my post in this group from 9/26/2006 with a subject line:

"VS 2005 & list of installed products."

It happened to someone else but nobody seems to know why. What happened to
MS' promise of an answer within 48 hours? If you are an MSDN subcriber,
you're supposed to be able to reliably get help here but, probably 20%-30%
of the time, I get no answer.
The positive thing is, that when I do come to the ng's, I usually try to
answer some questions if I can, so at least I can add something back.

Steve
 
Peter,

Who are you answering?

:-))

Cor

Peter Proost said:
Hi,

look I didn't want to offend anyone, and I never said you should check
with
me before posting.
All I wanted to say: is that for beginning programmers it shouldn't be a
habbit to immediately post a problem if they can't solve it in 2 minutes.
And I know most of the people here first try to solve/research the
problem
themself, and if they realy can't find a answer, they post a question.
That's what they call a learning process. And in my opnion that's the best
way to learn something new.
But every now and then you see some posts with topics from which you know
that if the OP would have taken the time to google this ng for 1 minute he
would have found the answer. And in my opinion the ng doesn't benefit from
these kind of posts.
So I hope my point is clear now, I sure as hell don't want to discourage
anyone from posting a question.
I also wonder why you think I'm unhappy with the ng? I think it's the best
place for information/help on vb.net
The only thing I meant to do was give some advice to beginning
programmers,
because I know this approach helped me a lot when learning vb.net.

Greetz Peter

--
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build
bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce
bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning. (Rich Cook)



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Robinson,

Although I agree with Boo, do I agree with you more.

I think that there are some obvious guys/girls who are not newbie's but want
their code or whatever from a newsgroup.

That does not mean that the majority of good guys should suffer from the few
bad guys.

When I started I have asked the most crazy things which only a fool or
somebody very intelligent could answer.

I still am thankful for that Herfried,

:-)

Cor
 
Geezus. You people sicken me with your "we have to be nice to everyone"
attitude. We don't have to be nice. We have the power. We have the ability
to dispense it in any manner we choose. But this group seems to have a freakin
bleeding heart complex. It's disgusting. Go back to your fuking hippy drum
circle.

When I was a newbie I was told day after day (after a review of my code)
that I was an idiot. Did I take offence? No. The critique came from an
experienced programmer.. someone that would indeed know whether I was an
idiot or not. I learned. And became less idiotic.

The problem here is not my attitude. The problem is the bleeding heart attitude
of the people in the know here on this group. You perpetuate the idea that
the newbies DESERVE our knowledge.. Knowledge that we spent years.. decades
accumulating.. they somehow DESERVE this knowledge because they make a demand
for it. Fuk that noise. You want my knowledge, you'll get it (or not) as
I see fit to despense it.

I would encourage the other wizards among this group to evaluate the road
they traveling on their way to becoming a wizard. Evaluate it in the context
of giving that knowledge away freely. It was a hard road. You don't have
to be all PC nice to everyone. YOU DONT NEED THEM, THEY NEED YOU.

-Boo
 
I'm really impressed! Those people who called you an idiot must really have
left ther mark.
I can see you don't tolerate the idoits of today who want to improve, jusy
as as you did once.

However, you must be a great help to those who know just a little less than
you.

But what about things you don't you know about? After you've Googled and not
understood the replies wouldn't it be nice to ask somone who will give you a
polite and informative answer?

If you think the question posted by someone is stupid and has been asked
before you don't have to read it, let alone answer it.

I too learnt the hard way once because there was nobody out there to help me
(or call me an idiot).
Fortunately now there is ways to get help and I get just a little kick out
of being one of those who does the helping

Howard

BTW I teach in one of those schools that have just started back. I spend my
life helping those that know a lot less than I do (and I hear the same
questions year after year)




.. Y
 
well put...nothing beats rolling up your sleeves and figuring it out. But
some people like to be spoon feed ... others, will not starve.
 
GhostInAK said:
Geezus. You people sicken me with your "we have to be nice to everyone"
attitude. We don't have to be nice. We have the power. We have the
ability to dispense it in any manner we choose. But this group seems to
have a freakin bleeding heart complex. It's disgusting. Go back to
your fuking hippy drum circle.
Click to expand...

Well now, who's the lil IT nerd who is expressing his social
crippleness? Thanks for enforcing the stereotype, loser.

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/ / / // / _ / __/ -_) _ `/ '_/ -_) __/
/_/ \_, /____/_/ \__/\_,_/_/\_\\__/_/
/___/

There are 10 types of people in this world; those who understand the
binary numbering system and those who don't.

There's no place like 127.0.0.1.

ASCII a silly question, get a silly ANSI.
 
That's funny. Now, in the real world... Oh wait, that's on MTV...
That's not the real world either
 
"You need to be 'this big' or 'this many' to post questions in this group"
lol Seriously Boo, that comment is exstreamly snobish. Do you really think
that you are that indispensible? Anybody can be replaced anywhere at any
time and the world will still go on turning you know. Speaking as a newbie
myself I don't "need" your advice I respectfully ask for your help knowing
that you and the others here have more experience. Period. If you can't or
won't come down from that high mountain to help us poor people who need help
once in a while, that's ok we'll just go beat on our drum for the next
VB.Net Godly spirit to answer. lol
 
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