The Xbox360 backward-compatibility mess....

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thanks for the history lesson. it's also fairly common for blowhards
like john lewis to whine when they need to use special software or older
hardware to use older software even though they keep 4+ computers
around just to do the same thing.
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Actually, I really only need the 2 PCs, since the PC Amiga emulator
runs most of the Amiga games just fine in which I have any interest.
However, parallelism is very convenient and I have spare Amiga
monitors that double up as TV monitors :-) :-)

Got any consoles with great emulators ?

2 PCs spanning 20 years of great gaming --- not bad. Tell me
about the 2 consoles that do that.....

John Lewis
 
i own a yacht said:
maybe if i throw a dj in front of my name the ladies will come flocking.
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You could try it, but I doubt it'd work in your case.
by the way, is the 81 your d.o.b? i mean, you're 24 and using "you sux
with grrls" as an insult on the internet? pretty sad.
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I'm pretty sure I didn't say "you sux with grrls". Actually, yeah... I'm
positive I didn't speak in the wretched tongue of the young and pimply. You,
however, did. But, you're right.... who cares if women despise you or not.
What I meant to say is "people in general" don't like you. Thanks for
correcting me.

 
It's not important. Keep your old XFLop for backward compatibility.

It's important. What if the XFLop dies and you don't want an ebay
ripoff replacement since XFLop isn't made anymore.

It's not important. Just get the new games.

It's important. There aren't many new games at the beginning plus there
are older games worth keeping and playing.

It's not important. The PowerPC and ATI GPU won't be able to run the
Intel and Nvidia GPU code natively, so forget it.

It's important. It is so important, xflop 1.5 full circle will pay
Nvidia royalty rights to use GPU code for the life of the console plus
develop an emulator and provide patches for the original games to run
under the emulator.

It's not important. The emulator and patched games won't run all the
games perfectly, so don't expect much.

It's important. Since the emulator and patching won't allow full
compatibility, some of the top seller titles will be ported over
completely to the PowerPC and ATI GPU. People will be willing to re-buy
these games to have "backward" compatibility.

And so on... It might help if the xflop 1.5 full circle could make up
its mind but that would be expecting too much. This situation doesn't
apply to the Playstation3 or the Nintendo Revolution. The Playstation2
was backwardly compatible with the Playstation and the Playstation 3
will be backwardly compatible with the Playstation 2 and the
Playstation. Plain and simple.
 
See:-

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=9562

The PC certainly has its advantages - not having to throw out
all the applications with every upgrade....

John Lewis
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Here is a followup article:-

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/feature.php?aid=9591

M$$ has got themselves a real Catch22 of their own making.
They set the launch for the Christmas season. There will be very few
Xbox360 titles of any note available by that time.

If M$$ continues with their flaky backward-compatibility plans, many
Thanksgiving/Christmas shoppers will buy new Xbox game titles
expecting them to also work perfectly on the Xbox360. And when they
don't, expect a huge backlash.

Just before the buying season, M$$ should issue a definitive list
of Xbox games, both current and upcoming GUARANTEED to work
on the Xbox360. Then buyers can make the ultimate decision
themselves --- of course those games not on the list will potentially

have negatively-impacted sales.

And how could M$$ guarantee compatibility ?. Junk the download
patch-emulation nonsense and just make replacement compatible
DVDs available on a free-exchange basis to current purchasers
of games on the list. Also they could sell the Xbox360 version
of the most popular existing Xbox titles ( Halo, Halo2, Jade Empire
etc ) as Platinum ( budget) Xbox 360 titles.

Recompiling Microsoft Studios Xbox games for the Xbox360
should be easy, with nVidia's license and access to source.
For the most popular 3rd-party titles, M$$ could provide the
trancoding tools for free to the developers and subsidize the
disc exchange.

The proposal to try to patch the Xbox360 with downloadable
profiles is technical nonsense and fraught with practical problems.

Meanwhile Sony can sit back and learn from M$$'s mess.
Sony have very wisely chosen to release the PS3 during the
slack season... so if the schedule slips a month or two little harm is
done. If the Xbox360 slips Thanksgiving after all the advance
publicity ( and expectation in the software retail channel ) M$$ will
have major egg on its face. And a bunch of very angry retailers.

Nice to have a PC for gaming and be insulated from all this nonsense.

John Lewis
 
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action Tony DiMarzio said:
I'm pretty sure I didn't say "you sux with grrls". Actually, yeah... I'm
positive I didn't speak in the wretched tongue of the young and pimply. You,
however, did. But, you're right.... who cares if women despise you or not.
What I meant to say is "people in general" don't like you. Thanks for
correcting me.
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whatever you say, dj tone!
 
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action John Lewis said:
Actually, I really only need the 2 PCs, since the PC Amiga emulator
runs most of the Amiga games just fine in which I have any interest.
However, parallelism is very convenient and I have spare Amiga
monitors that double up as TV monitors :-) :-)
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and i assume you own full legal copies of those amiga games you're
emulating. or at the very least, you sent cheques to the developers?
it's the least you could do, to support them.
 
and i assume you own full legal copies of those amiga games you're
emulating. or at the very least, you sent cheques to the developers?
it's the least you could do, to support them.
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Yes, old son -- all legally purchased. Most at full price. I own most
of the Amiga classics, such as the Psygnosis games with the truly
gorgeous box-art. I even happen to have several mint-condition
T-shirts from the Shadow of the Beast series............

I fully expected that question from you, btw........... you are
SO TRANSPARENT.....

John Lewis
 
Quoth The Raven "Blig Merk said:
It's not important. Keep your old XFLop for backward compatibility.
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to me its important, I never bought the original xbox even though I wanted
the buffy games, I waited to see if there was a pc emulator for xbox, but
that never happened, but I will definitely buy the xbox360 so I want those
games to be compatible with the new box
 
to me its important, I never bought the original xbox even though I wanted
the buffy games, I waited to see if there was a pc emulator for xbox, but
that never happened, but I will definitely buy the xbox360 so I want those
games to be compatible with the new box
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Won't, except with a few current Xbox games... read between the lines
of the articles and Microsoft's posturing... they are in deep trouble
with backward compatibility, ever since they parted company with
nVidia and Intel and now they are flip-flopping frantically....

And Sony is probably grinning from ear-to-ear, because at the
minimum they will only need to offer their customers the same level
of compatibility that the Xbox achieves. They may actually do
much better, since they have more-or-less planned PS3
backward-compatibility from the beginning. And since Sony is
intimately technically familiar with the PS2 hardware design, the
transition should be easier than for Microsoft who effectively
contracted out the hardware and driver design of the Xbox.
 
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action John Lewis said:
I fully expected that question from you, btw........... you are
SO TRANSPARENT.....
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this coming from the guy who constantly, over many months, posts the
same comments over and over again. for all i know you could be some
kid's science project running on a bsd box somewhere.
 
(e-mail address removed) (John Lewis) thought that a good way to threaten
somebody was to light a stick of dynamite, then call the guy and hold
the burning fuse up to the phone and say:
after modding to a pretend-PC.... life is too short........
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Yet it's long enough to build your own PC and install and maintain
your software and drivers?

If you don't enjoy mucking about with hardware, you might want to
check into console gaming <grin>.
 
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action Ajay Tanwar said:
(e-mail address removed) (John Lewis) thought that a good way to threaten

Yet it's long enough to build your own PC and install and maintain
your software and drivers?
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owned. john lewis's inconsistency strikes again.
 
i own a yacht <[email protected]> thought that a good way to threaten
somebody was to light a stick of dynamite, then call the guy and
hold the burning fuse up to the phone and say:
owned. john lewis's inconsistency strikes again.
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Sorry, not trying to 0wn anyone, just making friendly little jab at
John's PC-centric gaming. See the <grin>?

BTW, your mother is a gerbil and your father smells of cabbage
<grin>. See how that works? :-D
 
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action Ajay Tanwar said:
Sorry, not trying to 0wn anyone, just making friendly little jab at
John's PC-centric gaming. See the <grin>?
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you don't need to try. some people just naturally own. and you, my
friend, are such a person!
 
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