Software to indicate if HD installed is SATA or IDE ?

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Without taking pc lid off - is there a software way
to indicate if sata or ide ?

maybe a smart indicator function ?

its so i can help someone find out which theres is and
then i'll get them a new one

thanks
 
2009 said:
Without taking pc lid off - is there a software way
to indicate if sata or ide ?
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maybe a smart indicator function ?
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its so i can help someone find out which theres is and
then i'll get them a new one
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Huh? If you want to put in a new one, you have to open
it anyways.

As to the question, any reasonable SMART tool will
give you the model number. The BIOS startup screen will
likely give you the model number. Going into the BIOS
will surely give you the model number.

Put the model number into google to find out more
about the disk.

Arno
 
Arno said:
Huh? If you want to put in a new one, you have to open it anyways.
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But he isnt necessarily next to it right now and wants
to show up in person with the correct drive to install.
 
Arno said:
Huh? If you want to put in a new one, you have to open
it anyways.

As to the question, any reasonable SMART tool will
give you the model number. The BIOS startup screen will
likely give you the model number. Going into the BIOS
will surely give you the model number.

Put the model number into google to find out more
about the disk.

Arno
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point taken but its for the user to run and save me bringing two

penny dropped then ?
 
But he isnt necessarily next to it right now and wants
to show up in person with the correct drive to install.
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Hmm. Would explain it. My approach would be to look first,
after all, there may be something non-standard. The risk
is pretty low though and a model number search should
reveal it too.

Arno
 
Rod said:
Yes, Everest should tell you.
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=4181
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Okay, just tried Everest myself, on my system that has the mixed PATA &
SATA drives. No direct indicator available whether each was a SATA or
an IDE drive, they use the exact same standard Microsoft drivers in each
case. The only way to tell might be indirectly, because Everest will
tell you the model number of the drive, which you can then Google as
Arno said.

Yousuf Khan
 
Yousuf Khan wrote
Rod Speed wrote
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Okay, just tried Everest myself, on my system that has the mixed PATA & SATA drives. No direct indicator available
whether each was a SATA or an IDE drive,
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Yeah, said that a bit cryptically. Everest will till you the full drive model
number and you get it from that, using the manufacturer's web site.
they use the exact same standard Microsoft drivers in each case. The only way to tell might be indirectly, because
Everest will tell you the model number of the drive, which you can then Google as Arno said.
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Thats what I meant, and should have said that explicitly.
 
Okay, just tried Everest myself, on my system that has the mixed PATA &
SATA drives. No direct indicator available whether each was a SATA or
an IDE drive, they use the exact same standard Microsoft drivers in each
case. The only way to tell might be indirectly, because Everest will
tell you the model number of the drive, which you can then Google as
Arno said.

Yousuf Khan
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One way would be to execute an ATA Identify Device command. The drive
would return 512 bytes of information.

Word 222 reports PATA or SATA in bits 15:12, PATA standard in bit 0,
and SATA standards in bits 1,2, and 3.

Words 76-79 are "reserved for Serial ATA".

Word 93 reports whether an 80-pin IDE cable has been detected. If
true, then the drive must be PATA.

- Franc Zabkar
 
Okay, just tried Everest myself, on my system that has the mixed PATA &
Or look under Storage > ATA > Device Type and Everest shows directly what
kind the drives are.
 
Michael said:
Or look under Storage > ATA > Device Type and Everest shows directly what
kind the drives are.
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That field doesn't exist in my version of Everest (v2.20.405).

Yousuf Khan
 
Yousuf Khan wrote
Michael Cecil wrote
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That field doesn't exist in my version of Everest (v2.20.405).
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I'm still using the free 1.51.195 and there are quite a few fields
in Storage > ATA that look like they should be viable to work out
whether its an IDE or SATA drive, particularly the interface speeds.
 
Rod said:
Yousuf Khan wrote


I'm still using the free 1.51.195 and there are quite a few fields
in Storage > ATA that look like they should be viable to work out
whether its an IDE or SATA drive, particularly the interface speeds.
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The interface speeds are all listed as UDMA 6 whether they are IDE or
SATA drives.

Yousuf Khan
 
Christian said:
SATA drives report their features in word 76 of the ATA IDENTIFY sector.
hdparm can be used to display this:

hdparm -I /dev/hdX
...
Commands/features:
Enabled Supported:
...
* SATA-I signaling speed (1.5Gb/s)
* SATA-II signaling speed (3.0Gb/s)
* Native Command Queueing (NCQ)
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Do IDE drives support NCQ? I recently came across a drive on Ebay listed
as EIDE rather than SATA, but with the NCQ feature available. I think
it was the Seagate ST3750640A, a 750G EIDE drive.
* Host-initiated interface power management
* Phy event counters
* unknown 76[12]
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I don't know if maybe some SATA drives are being fitted with IDE
interfaces now to serve a particular market segment?

Yousuf Khan
 
Yousuf Khan wrote
Christian Franke wrote
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Do IDE drives support NCQ?
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Yes, a few do. Some of the Hitachis from memory.
I recently came across a drive on Ebay listed as EIDE rather than SATA, but with the NCQ feature available. I think it
was the Seagate ST3750640A, a 750G EIDE drive.
* Host-initiated interface power management
* Phy event counters
* unknown 76[12]
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I don't know if maybe some SATA drives are being fitted with IDE interfaces now to serve a particular market segment?
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Some do appear to be available with either interface.
 
2009 said:
Without taking pc lid off - is there a software way
to indicate if sata or ide ?
Click to expand...

SATA drives report their features in word 76 of the ATA IDENTIFY sector.
hdparm can be used to display this:

hdparm -I /dev/hdX
...
Commands/features:
Enabled Supported:
...
* SATA-I signaling speed (1.5Gb/s)
* SATA-II signaling speed (3.0Gb/s)
* Native Command Queueing (NCQ)
* Host-initiated interface power management
* Phy event counters
* unknown 76[12]
...
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Use SiSoftware Sandra that will tell you with ease.
 
Do IDE drives support NCQ? I recently came across a drive on Ebay listed
as EIDE rather than SATA, but with the NCQ feature available. I think
it was the Seagate ST3750640A, a 750G EIDE drive.
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The following data sheets suggest that NCQ was only available for
Seagate's SATA interfaces:

http://www.seagate.com/docs/pdf/datasheet/disc/ds_barracuda_7200_10.pdf
http://www.seagate.com/docs/pdf/datasheet/disc/ds_barracuda_7200_11.pdf
http://www.seagate.com/staticfiles/docs/pdf/datasheet/disc/ds_barracuda_7200_12.pdf
http://www.seagate.com/docs/pdf/datasheet/disc/ds_momentus_5400.pdf
http://www.seagate.com/docs/pdf/datasheet/disc/ds_momentus_5400_4.pdf
http://www.seagate.com/docs/pdf/datasheet/disc/ds_momentus_5400_5.pdf
http://www.seagate.com/docs/pdf/datasheet/disc/ds_momentus_5400_6.pdf

This Wikipedia article suggests that NCQ is effectively only available
for SATA interfaces:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Command_Queuing

The following white paper would also imply that NCQ is strictly for
SATA interfaces:

Serial ATA Native Command Queuing:
http://www.seagate.com/content/pdf/whitepaper/D2c_tech_paper_intc-stx_sata_ncq.pdf

- Franc Zabkar
 
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