So whats the difference bewteen liteware & shareware ?

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So Liteware is the same as Crippleware is the same as Shareware, is it not?
I'm only going by the FAQ here.
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You aren't going by my FAQ. The difference between the three is
explained in the FAQ. Shareware costs money and the other two
aren't the same as each other.

Regards, John.

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»Q« said:
But not for the same reasons rtdos does, right? He claimed that the
"exclusionary defintion" makes crippleware, liteware, and shareware all
the same thing, which it does not do. He also claimed that it makes
nothing freeware unless it's unavailable except as a download, which it
also does not do. These misunderstandings in his reading of it are the
basis on which he said something is wrong.
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BUT, How am I mis-reading an "exact" quote ? If we were to look at the acf
faq at the same level as the US Constitution (as some have tried to do, eh
JC?)then the acf faq would not hold up in any court of law.
 
John Fitzsimons said:
You aren't going by my FAQ. The difference between the three is
explained in the FAQ. Shareware costs money and the other two
aren't the same as each other.

Regards, John.
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I'm only going by whatever FAQ is on John C's website (hence, the one he
likes to keep calling "his" FAQ); if yours has the *same* definition then...
 
»Q« said:
The point is that in your crusade against faqs you are
misrepresenting what they say and then attacking them on that basis.
Either you really don't understand what's written in them (which
seems unlikely) or you are trolling by deliberately misrepresenting
them.
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eh ?
 
BUT, How am I mis-reading an "exact" quote ?
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Repeatedly.

read
verb, transitive
To examine and grasp the meaning of (written or printed
characters, words, or sentences).

HTH. EOT for me.

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It isn't her's. It isn't our's either. It's ours, and
likewise yours and theirs.
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Comments on the ware types faq on pricelessware site:
Original text tabbed in, my comments are not:

WARE TYPES

A brief glossary of ware types mentioned on the Pricelessware
pages and/or
in the ACF newsgroup FAQs. Listed in alphabetical order.

Abandonware: see Orphanware

Adware: software that displays advertising for other products
and/or
services (often downloaded from the internet by the software).
Adware is
often but not always spyware.
It would be better to describe/explain the words "Spyware" and
"Adware" separately as they are two different characteristics, and do
not have to apply to the same program.

Betaware: a preliminary but useable version of what will be the
final
version of a program. Beta versions are intended for testing by
users
(alpha versions are test versions for the developers).

CDWare: promo CDs included with magazines, books or other
products

Commercial Software: software that is sold.

Crippleware: free version of a commercial program. More limited
in features and functionality than the commercial product.
Crippleware has
severe limitations. Functionality that is important to the
average user
has been disabled.
The limitations do not have to be severe and/or important to the user
for it to be crippleware.

Demo-ware: software that is intended to give potential
purchasers an idea
of how the program works. Not a full version, type of limitation
varies.
Demoware are often full versions. There can be other restrictions,
like time limitation.

Donationware: monetary contribution requested (optional)

Freeware: Legally obtainable software that you may use at no
cost,
monetary or otherwise, for as long as you wish.

Liteware: free version of a commercial program. A useful program
that is more limited in features and functionality than the
commercial product.
Liteware is not time-limited.

Malware: software that contains malicious programming

Nagware: has a popup (nag) screen at program startup, asking you
to purchase the software. You must press a button to get past
the nag screen.
There are several other types of nagware, the described system is only
one possibility of many.

Orphanware/Abandonware: software that the original author or
company no longer offers to the public (used when author cannot
be located or company is no longer in existence). May not be
freeware. May not be legal to obtain and use it.
This is a combination of different characteristics which do not have
to be related at all.
An example is Proxomitron, which is abandonware, but definitely not
"May not be freeware. May not be legal to obtain and use it."
Don't mix up different characteristics.


Registerware: you must provide personal information via
registration in
order to download and/or use the program

Requestware: you are asked to do something. Examples: send a
postcard or email to the software author, perform a good deed,
make a contribution to charity
This should be divided up into two categories. One type of requestware
is locked/restricted until you have done what the author is demanding,
another type is always useful no matter if you comply with the request
or not. One example of the locked type was GNMIDI when the author
requested a keyring to let you use the program. There are many
examples of the opposite, Proxomitron is (was) an example of the other
type, the author asked you to support a certain pop band in Japan, but
he does not check anything, the program has no limitation no matter if
you comply with the request or not.

Shareware: commercial software that can be downloaded. Payment
is required for legal use of the software. Some authors use the
honor system, more commonly code is included to prevent the use
of some or all functions if
payment is not made in accordance with the shareware agreement.

Spyware: software that sends information about you and your
computer to others (usually without your knowledge). Spyware may
also install files on your hard drive without your knowledge.
These two characteristics should also be divided up as they can exist
independent of each other.
Some (many) programs install files on your drive without your
knowledge, some programs are spyware.

Trialware: software which stops working after a period of time
or number of uses.
This is totally wrong. The word "Trialware" is used in several
meanings. It can mean the same as beta-version, it can mean
crippleware, etc..

"Time limited" ware is "software which stops working after a period of
time or number of uses."
But that is a completely different characteristic than "trialware".

If you want a practical example you can look at hotbasic, it is
trialware, but it is not time limited.
Don't mix up different characteristics.

Warez: Software that is stolen, and/or enabled, by illegal
means.

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It would be a lot better to describe/define/explain different
characteristics separately.
A certain program can, of course, be in more than one category.
For example, a program may be both a beta version, time limited and
abandonware.
Another program may be trialware, not time limited, and warez, etc..

But the characteristics, warez, time limited, trialware, beta version,
etc.. should be explained/defined separately, not bunched together in
combinations which may suggest to the reader that for example
Proxomitron may be stolen and illegal to use, because it says so in
the definition of abandonware, and Proxomitron IS abandonware, isn't
it?

Remember that these definitions are for people who are not
experienced, they may read into it what it says, or what it seems to
say, not what it means.
 
both are crippleware aren't they ?
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No, that's to mix oranges and apples.

"liteware" and "crippleware" has to do with the "functionality" of the
software.

"freeware" and "shareware" has to do with the "payment" to be allowed to use
the software.
either way you look at it, goes
against the so called "pure" definition
of freeware as defined in the
acf faq doesn't it?
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Not necessarily, a "crippled" or "lite" freeware can be useful enough as
such, but of course it has to be judged from case to case.

// Bjorn A
 
[email protected]" said:
According to the acf FAQ:

"4) WHAT IS COMPUTER FREEWARE ?

legally obtainable computer programs/utilities that anyone with an
internet connection can obtain free of (additional to internet) cost
and does not have any "limitations" as to it's use, e.g. only being
able to be used for a certain time period and/or only having some
features able to be used. "

If we were to go by this exclusive definition,
then liteware is the same as shareware is the same
as crippleware (note last few words that
say "only having some features able to be used").
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But this is where the definition gets muddy.
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Sure, but in some respect it *has* to be "muddy", since the definition
what's "useful" lies on an individual level.

But it *still* doesn't mean that it's the same as "shareware".

// Bjorn A
 
rtdos said:
So Liteware is the same as Crippleware is the
same as Shareware, is it not?
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No, it isn't.

If I say that an orange isn't an apple, does that make an orange a banana?

// Bjorn A
 
...
BUT, How am I mis-reading an "exact" quote?
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Because your "reversed logic" doesn't apply.

Even if bananas can be yellow, it doesn't make them lemons.

// Bjorn A
 
Greetings...

Clearly, the FAQ needs revision. The definitions need more thought.
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I disagree - it's the author that needs more thought...

He/She/It obviously has way too much time, and little to accomplish.

All software can be divided into 3 major groups :

Iuseitware
Idon'tuseitware
Ihaven'tfoundityetware

These names come in many dialects depending on the social structure the user/abuser grew
up in, for example: Iuseitware is also known in some circles as
Idownloadeditfromtheinternetware or in other circles as Ihaveacrackforitware, and in
others - myfriendburnedmeacopyware, and in the most remotest locations the very rare -
Iactuallypaidforitware has been known to be uttered...

But no matter what it's called, it's still Iuseitware...

Other than that - Crippleware - Shareware - Liteware - demoware etc... It's all
the same - : Idon'tuseitware.

All these redundant stupid subclassifications is a sure sign that the creator of this
so called FAQ (since there aren't actually any questions or answers in it ,technically
it's NOT a FAQ. You now see how language gets corrupted by the ignorant?) may have a
creative mind, but is lacking in any actual practical knowledge of life, the universe and
well, everything. And thus stands an excellent chance of getting a well paying and
satisfying career in the field of government....

If you don't know the difference between stupidity and ignorance by the time you finish
reading this: - You're stupid....


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You figure it out...
 
this so called FAQ (since there aren't actually any questions or
answers in it ,technically it's NOT a FAQ. You now see how
language gets corrupted by the ignorant?)
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There are questions and answers in it. And yes, ISWYM about ignorance.

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mean it is. If you don't, it's its. Then too, it's hers.
It isn't her's. It isn't our's either. It's ours, and
likewise yours and theirs.
-- Oxford University Press, Edpress News
 
...
Perhaps, but I see the FAQ:s more as "guidelines" rather than "law". Some of
the sentences maybe could be formulated otherwise, but just as every
individual has his/her own conception of what he/she thinks is useful or
appropriate, the interpretation of *any* text would be questioned.
All software can be divided into 3 major groups :

Iuseitware
Idon'tuseitware
Ihaven'tfoundityetware

These names come in many dialects depending on
the social structure the user/abuser grew
up in, for example: Iuseitware is also known
in some circles as Idownloadeditfromtheinternetware
or in other circles as Ihaveacrackforitware, and in
others - myfriendburnedmeacopyware, and in the most
remotest locations the very rare -
Iactuallypaidforitware has been known to be uttered...

But no matter what it's called, it's still Iuseitware...
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Well, that's your opinion, and your "definitions" aren't useful in this
group, as we are speaking of *freeware* and *never* crackz or warez.

The first and foremost definition of freeware is clear for everyone with
just a trace of brainfunctions (no FAQ needed):

Functional software that is legally free to use
without any cost.

This implicates three other questions, which in many cases has to be
answered at an individual level:

What's the definition of "functional"?
What's the definition of "free"?
What's the definition of "cost"?

The other "waretypes" and definitions in the FAQ:s tries to give us hints to
answers to these questions. They can never give an exact direction, but
implicates some restrictions on those three concepts.

As such the "waretypes" can or can not be useful, depending on the
individuals preferences.

Regarding the concept of "cost", there exists a bottom-line where mandatory
monetary compensations *always* disqualifies the software as "freeware".
Other than that -
Crippleware - Shareware - Liteware - demoware etc...
It's all the same - : Idon'tuseitware.
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Not at all. That's just *your* opinion based on your preferences.

As an example:

"JCreator Light Edition" is unquestionably "liteware":

http://www.jcreator.com/

It's "liteware" since there exists a version with more functionality.

Both "liteware" and "crippleware" are "limited" in *functionality", but
whether this limitation makes it useful or not is based on the need and
preferences from the individual.

I use this light edition on a daily basis, as I don't need the added
functionality of the other version.

In other cases a "liteware" or "crippleware" are limited to such extent that
*I* don't find it useful, but others can still find it useful.

In any case, as these "waretypes" are "hints" to what could be expected from
the software in question, the waretypes *can* be useful as such hints,
depending on the individual preferences.

Other examples:

"Abandonware/Orphanware" indicates that no further
development are made on the software, which *can*
render it not useful in some future.

"Open Source" is in the other end of that spectre
for those who can make use of the source code, and
further develop it himself/herself. It can in some
cases even wind up in added functionality.

On the concepts of "free" or "cost", we have e.g. "requestware",
"donationware", "adware", "nagware", for those who wants hints on what to
expect in regard of that.

And to conclude this; all extended labeling of waretypes on the discussed
freeware can be useful for someone.

// Bjorn A
 
No shit, Sherlock! Who else's opinion would it be?
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Liteware is a free cut-down version of a full program, which is
presumably charged-for and is usually shareware.

But there doesn't have to be a liteware version of a shareware program.
The makers could produce just the full version, which must be paid for.
 
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