So AGP is slated for complete obsolesence?

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J. Clarke said:
Ben Pope wrote:




So let me see you put a PCI board in a PCI Express slot.
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I believed I mentioned that there is a physical incompatibilty on a
slot-by-slot basis.
It is not transparent to a person trying to stick a board in the machine.
Indeed.



So how do I put a PCI board in a PCI Express slot?
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You don't, you put in the PCI slot provided by the motherboard manufacturer.
And we need more than this why?
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Nobody said we needed more than that NOW, but by introducing a new
physical layer we overcome other issues.
And we need this why?
Latency.



Does it need to?
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Not now, no, but one day it will.
Will it be possible to push PCI Express to a trillion exaHz? You're
claiming that compatibility should be sacrifices to gain a small increment
of performance for which there is no demonstrable need.
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One day there will be a requirement, You've been around long enough to
know that buses need updating before devices come out that go beyond the
limits.

Bandwidth isn't the only advantage of PCI Express over PCI or PCI-X.
PCI Express lowers latency and provides for isochronous transfers.

Ask somebody who does real sound production of the requirements for
that, I'm sure they'll have much to say about the limitations of
existing sound cards on a PCI bus.
I'm sorry, but changing the socket just to get NO gain in performance in the
real world smacks of marketing and not engineering.
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Lower latency is not engineering?

There are real requirements for this technology. If you don't need it,
don't buy it.

Ben
 
J. Clarke said:
I didn't say "consumer router" either. In fact some of the larger
Cisco models have a _separate_ Ethernet port for out of band
management via Ethernet. And some Ciscos have USB ports.
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Really? What looks like an extra ethernet port marked "Console" on Cisco
routers has traditionally a serial port with a RJ plug. So people not handy
with a crimper and soldering iron will buy their certified $200 cable, I
presume... :-)
Well, at least that's better than their proprietary monster plug from hell
that they've been using for other connections.
I'd like to see you set up 2K3 using a serial port.
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Microsoft Windows? That defies my personal definition of a server. :-)
 
Arthur said:
Really? What looks like an extra ethernet port marked "Console" on Cisco
routers has traditionally a serial port with a RJ plug.
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They state 100TX. If that's "a serial port with an RJ plug" then somebody
needs to tell them.
 
Sorry, but RS232 uses less power than RS-422 (a differential data
transmission scheme). RS-422 requires 4 line drivers whereas RS-232 only
requires two. So where is the power savings?
 
I've seen benchmarks in which the AGP versions of certain ATI vid-cards
performed BETTER than their PCI Express counterparts.
Source: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/2004-27gpu2.html.

In particular look at the Half Life 2, Far Cry and Doom3 benchmarks. If PCI
Express tech is so CLEARLY superior (this to peeps like Ben Pope) why isn't
it superior in benchmarks? Any answer for that Ben? Any excuses? Or are you
just going to spout more of your obfuscating bullshit.
 
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