Skybuck's Dream PC design for 2006 (Version 7)

[Scotter]

Benjamin -

It seems like you are *choosing* to *try* to disparage Skybuck.
I say "choose" because you could assume when he says "... Vista run
smooth..." that he means using it to do things like play games, video edit,
etc. Or you could assume, like you seem to have, that he just wants to use
Vista's built-in calculator and maybe Microsoft Office? So you chose to
assume something that would "make him wrong."

And when I look at the components he chose, it looks like he did quite a bit
of research and if you read his notes you would see he has been quite
thorough.

All it reveals to me is that you are having computer envy by looking at his
"dream machine" or you have some fears that you are not as intelligent as
you wish you were so you look for chances to attack other people's
choices/intelligence.

Skybuck seems like a nice person and quite intelligent and it's sad to me to
hear people like you and Augustus attack him and waste all our time.

I saw the thread and I got excited because I thought people would be chiming
in with constructive ideas like oh yeah how about swapping that
motherboard/cpu for a dual Opteron 254 setup? Or how about this or that
different video card setup or whatever. And by the way here are some links
to benchmarks, blah blah blah.

And Theodore I take issue with your comment about "...doubt anyone with a
brain in their head would spend 10% of their income on a computer." You are
making a wide generalization with this blanket statement. I'm sure there are
many types of people who would/do spend that % of their income on their
computer systems. I'll list an example: Someone who works for themselves as
a freelance videographer. And if you think that videographer is foolish for
spending so much on the computer system that he may spend 8-14 hours a day
using, then I must disagree. It's 2005 and the computer is a powerful tool
that can be used for soooo much!

MY assumption is this guy posted some valuable information in the spirit of
community/sharing that is what newsgroups are all about! By posting, he is
sharing info and inviting others to contribute. And I'm sad to hear few, if
any (i haven't read every post here), of you are actually addressing the
real issue, which is just the parts/performance of what he proposes here.
Instead I hear a lot of name-calling. You can be sure I won't revisit this
thread. I'm also sad to hear someone calling the original poster a "troll"
when to me the trolls are the "people" who are attacking him. I'm betting
that actually most of you are highly intelligent inviduals who, if you
thought about this for a few minutes, would realize when you attack someone
like this, you reveal much about your own inadequacies.

And those of you who disagree with me PLEASE put me in your killfile because
that would mean later when I post information or requests for information,
less people like you will side-track the conversation with petty, bitchy,
whiny noise.

 

[milleron]

Benjamin -

It seems like you are *choosing* to *try* to disparage Skybuck.
I say "choose" because you could assume when he says "... Vista run
smooth..." that he means using it to do things like play games, video edit,
etc. Or you could assume, like you seem to have, that he just wants to use
Vista's built-in calculator and maybe Microsoft Office? So you chose to
assume something that would "make him wrong."

And when I look at the components he chose, it looks like he did quite a bit
of research and if you read his notes you would see he has been quite
thorough.

All it reveals to me is that you are having computer envy by looking at his
"dream machine" or you have some fears that you are not as intelligent as
you wish you were so you look for chances to attack other people's
choices/intelligence.

Skybuck seems like a nice person and quite intelligent and it's sad to me to
hear people like you and Augustus attack him and waste all our time.

I saw the thread and I got excited because I thought people would be chiming
in with constructive ideas like oh yeah how about swapping that
motherboard/cpu for a dual Opteron 254 setup? Or how about this or that
different video card setup or whatever. And by the way here are some links
to benchmarks, blah blah blah.

And Theodore I take issue with your comment about "...doubt anyone with a
brain in their head would spend 10% of their income on a computer." You are
making a wide generalization with this blanket statement. I'm sure there are
many types of people who would/do spend that % of their income on their
computer systems. I'll list an example: Someone who works for themselves as
a freelance videographer. And if you think that videographer is foolish for
spending so much on the computer system that he may spend 8-14 hours a day
using, then I must disagree. It's 2005 and the computer is a powerful tool
that can be used for soooo much!

MY assumption is this guy posted some valuable information in the spirit of
community/sharing that is what newsgroups are all about! By posting, he is
sharing info and inviting others to contribute. And I'm sad to hear few, if
any (i haven't read every post here), of you are actually addressing the
real issue, which is just the parts/performance of what he proposes here.
Instead I hear a lot of name-calling. You can be sure I won't revisit this
thread. I'm also sad to hear someone calling the original poster a "troll"
when to me the trolls are the "people" who are attacking him. I'm betting
that actually most of you are highly intelligent inviduals who, if you
thought about this for a few minutes, would realize when you attack someone
like this, you reveal much about your own inadequacies.

And those of you who disagree with me PLEASE put me in your killfile because
that would mean later when I post information or requests for information,
less people like you will side-track the conversation with petty, bitchy,
whiny noise.

Scotter,
I don't think you'd be defending Mr. Skybuck if you were aware of his
history of silly trolling in this forum and apparently in many others.
As you point out, he has done some research, but, as always, it's
pretty pointless. I agree that he's not someone who should be
attacked. If people don't have the time for his hypothetical posts,
they should just ignore him.

Ron

 

[Folk]

I saw the thread and I got excited because I thought people would be chiming
in with constructive ideas like oh yeah how about swapping that
motherboard/cpu for a dual Opteron 254 setup?

Quite a few did that. But it gets a bit tiring after almost TWO
****ING YEARS!

http://groups.google.com/group/alt....+author:Flying&rnum=62&hl=en#0efdafce561c43cb

 

[Richard Hopkins]

Skybuck seems like a nice person and quite intelligent and it's sad to
me to hear people like you and Augustus attack him and waste all our
time.

Skybuck might seem like a nice person to you, and there's no doubt that he
can be when he wants to be, but have you not considered that others may have
more experience of him than you do?

I saw the thread and I got excited because I thought people would
be chiming in with constructive ideas like oh yeah how about
swapping that motherboard/cpu for a dual Opteron 254 setup?

It's noticeable that your own "contribution" to the thread contains none of
this either. You are merely attacking a couple of other posters for
attacking someone else. Doesn't that make you just as bad as they are???

MY assumption is this guy posted some valuable information in the
spirit of community/sharing that is what newsgroups are all about!

That's YOUR assumption. Did you not consider that others may have more
experience of this individual, and may be writing their responses in this
light?

The first time I encountered Skybuck, it was in a context where he
was spitting abuse at someone who'd answered one of his posts factually and
accurately. From what I've seen since, I conclude that he's only "nice" when
someone is saying what he wants to hear, and also that he does indeed spend
large amounts of time researching "dream" computer systems that he never
seems to actually buy.

You are entirely free to disagree with this assessment, and indeed those of
Augustus and Theodore, but you have no right to question our ability to make
our own judgments on the guy.

And those of you who disagree with me PLEASE put me in your killfile

Good grief, is that really your preferred option? Are you really so scared
of genuine, adult debate that you would rather be ignored? That sounds like
a really easy way to end up listening to nothing but the echoes of your own
voice. Hell, even Skybuck will tell you to **** off the day you say
something he doesn't like - he's got a track record y'know.
--


Richard Hopkins
Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom
(replace nospam with pipex in reply address)

The UK's leading technology reseller www.dabs.com

 

[Skybuck Flying]

Yeah, reading some reviews get you a clue. I'm soo impressed ;-)

FYI: Windows Vista doesn't require 2GB to run smooth, that's completely
BS. Vista runs smooth with 512MB, and it also runs smooth on computers
that are todays midrange...

No,

512 MB is the minimum system requirement.

I have read that windows vista already requires 750 MB of ram at boot time.

You still need ram for applications so that's at least 1 GB just for
applications.

Games are going to require 1 GB of ram real soon.

So if you want to run Windows Vista smoothly and Games smoothly I might add,
the requirements will be 2 GB at least.

Now if you are a programmer like me and you would like to debug some open
source code be prepared to add another gigabyte.

However 3 GB is a bit weird... 4 GB is better for performance <- double data
rate possible so might as well go for 4 GB =D

Bye,
Skybuck.

 

[Benjamin Gawert]

Benjamin -

I assume you mean me. If that's correct then please reply to my post as
others might have problems finding what you're referring to.

It seems like you are *choosing* to *try* to disparage Skybuck.

Nope, I just say how reality is.

I say "choose" because you could assume when he says "... Vista run
smooth..." that he means using it to do things like play games, video
edit, etc.

So what? You still don't need 2GB to play games smooth with Vista or
edit videos...

Point is that this guy simply has no clue, just making wild assumptions
and taking them for real...

Or you could assume, like you seem to have, that he just wants to use
Vista's built-in calculator and maybe Microsoft Office? So you chose
to assume something that would "make him wrong."

Well, I'm quite sure he never touched Vista in real due to the nonsense
he's posting. On the other side @work I'm also working with Vista as we
are preparing some of our products to be compatible with it as soon as
it ships officially...

And when I look at the components he chose, it looks like he did
quite a bit of research and if you read his notes you would see he
has been quite thorough.

Are you kidding? The only research he has done is probably taking the
most expensive components from some website. Well, if you call that
"research" then you're right of course...

All it reveals to me is that you are having computer envy by looking
at his "dream machine"

Honestly, I don't give a sh*t on such a dream machine because it
wouldn't fit my needs (too small memory, no hardware RAID, and it's a
self-made computer which I never would buy). But then, I spend a lot
more for my home PC than what all the stuff on the list costs, so it's
hardly comparable...

or you have some fears that you are not as
intelligent as you wish you were so you look for chances to attack
other people's choices/intelligence.

Well, if you think that this list is a form of "intelligence" then your
limit isn't very high.

And as to criticism: _he_ has posted his crap here so he opened it up
for discussion. If he just wants to hear what a smart and clever guy he
is he'd probably better gone elsewhere and paid someone for that...

Skybuck seems like a nice person and quite intelligent and it's sad
to me to hear people like you and Augustus attack him and waste all
our time.

I don't care if he's a nice person or not because that doesn't matter.
But from a technical point of view he posts a huge amount of BS, and
that's what I want to comment. If he (or you) don't like it feel free to
killfile me, or better avoid usenet at all as this place is where
everywhere can post his opinions if you like it or not.

I saw the thread and I got excited because I thought people would be
chiming in with constructive ideas like oh yeah how about swapping
that motherboard/cpu for a dual Opteron 254 setup? Or how about this
or that different video card setup or whatever. And by the way here
are some links to benchmarks, blah blah blah.

Sure, that might be ok for the clueless. However, for people that _do_
know anything about computers this is just a waste of time because what
hardware is good or not depends heavily on what you want to do with it.
Of course, for people that think of their computer as something like a
penis enlargement or that just want a system to run synthetic benchmarks
all day that's certainly a valid point...

And Theodore I take issue with your comment about "...doubt anyone
with a brain in their head would spend 10% of their income on a
computer." You are making a wide generalization with this blanket
statement. I'm sure there are many types of people who would/do
spend that % of their income on their computer systems. I'll list an
example: Someone who works for themselves as a freelance
videographer. And if you think that videographer is foolish for
spending so much on the computer system that he may spend 8-14 hours
a day using, then I must disagree. It's 2005 and the computer is a
powerful tool that can be used for soooo much!

Right, but anyone with a brain in his head certainly won't spend money
on a self-made system to work for a living. That's where complete
systems from big brand names have their place, with support and
everything...

MY assumption is this guy posted some valuable information in the
spirit of community/sharing that is what newsgroups are all about!

Yeah, posting a list of expensive hardware and a bunch of other nonsense
to _seven_ groups to which some of them are _totally_ unrelated to this
topic. What a sign of intelligence if he even isn't able to choose the
right newsgroups...

I assume you are reading alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt, right? Well,
there his posting probably has it's place, but I for example don't read
this newsgroup. But he SPAMmed this BS in several other groups which
most of them are not related to building a PC (i.e. several groups which
are for gfx cards only, and one that is totally unrelated to homebrew
PCs).

By posting, he is sharing info and inviting others to contribute.

And we are contributing... ;-)

Benjamin

 

[Benjamin Gawert]

No,

512 MB is the minimum system requirement.

Nope. Vista runs also with 128MB of memory...

I have read that windows vista already requires 750 MB of ram at boot time.

Exactly, you have _read_...

You still need ram for applications so that's at least 1 GB just for
applications.

Games are going to require 1 GB of ram real soon.

So if you want to run Windows Vista smoothly and Games smoothly I might add,
the requirements will be 2 GB at least.

Nope, even 1GB is fine for most games and also for most applications.
2GB certainly is more than enough for all games that arrive within the
next 2 years...

Now if you are a programmer like me

I also do programming, but I doubt that this is comparable (honestly I
doubt you'd ever heard about the programming languages)...

Benjamin

 

[Skybuck Flying]

Hey Scotty,

Benjamin -

It seems like you are *choosing* to *try* to disparage Skybuck.
I say "choose" because you could assume when he says "... Vista run
smooth..." that he means using it to do things like play games, video edit,
etc. Or you could assume, like you seem to have, that he just wants to use
Vista's built-in calculator and maybe Microsoft Office? So you chose to
assume something that would "make him wrong."

You're right Scotty.

Skybuck's Dream PC is a SUPER PC.

A MULTI MEDIA PC to the BONE YEAH

A GAMERS PC

A DEVELOPER'S PC

A TELEVISION PC

A MOVIE PC

A SOUND PC

A MUSIC PC

AN APPLICATION PC

A CONNECTIVTY PC

It's all that and more !

So anybody assuming that I or anybody else would just want to use it for
Office is being childish hihihihihiihihihih.

And when I look at the components he chose, it looks like he did quite a bit
of research and if you read his notes you would see he has been quite
thorough.

Yup and thank you .

All it reveals to me is that you are having computer envy by looking at his
"dream machine" or you have some fears that you are not as intelligent as
you wish you were so you look for chances to attack other people's
choices/intelligence.

That's ok. LOL.

When I look at my own Dream PC design I get a little envious myself LOL.

I am sure it will wear off as time passes away hehe.

Skybuck seems like a nice person and quite intelligent and it's sad to me to
hear people like you and Augustus attack him and waste all our time.

I am used to that

I saw the thread and I got excited because I thought people would be chiming
in with constructive ideas like oh yeah how about swapping that
motherboard/cpu for a dual Opteron 254 setup? Or how about this or that
different video card setup or whatever. And by the way here are some links
to benchmarks, blah blah blah.

Neh, that's rare.

Besides it's already the best of the best... Not much room to improve on

The lack of improvement posts/replies kinda proves it

And Theodore I take issue with your comment about "...doubt anyone with a

brain in their head would spend 10% of their income on a computer." You are
making a wide generalization with this blanket statement. I'm sure there are
many types of people who would/do spend that % of their income on their
computer systems. I'll list an example: Someone who works for themselves as
a freelance videographer. And if you think that videographer is foolish for
spending so much on the computer system that he may spend 8-14 hours a day
using, then I must disagree. It's 2005 and the computer is a powerful tool
that can be used for soooo much!

Exactly. I agree with you 100%. Also a more expensive computer will last
much longer and therefore is worth it's money.

MY assumption is this guy posted some valuable information in the spirit of
community/sharing that is what newsgroups are all about! By posting, he is
sharing info and inviting others to contribute. And I'm sad to hear few, if
any (i haven't read every post here), of you are actually addressing the
real issue, which is just the parts/performance of what he proposes here.
Instead I hear a lot of name-calling. You can be sure I won't revisit this
thread. I'm also sad to hear someone calling the original poster a "troll"
when to me the trolls are the "people" who are attacking him. I'm betting
that actually most of you are highly intelligent inviduals who, if you
thought about this for a few minutes, would realize when you attack someone
like this, you reveal much about your own inadequacies.

Yeah lol, you tell em lol.

And those of you who disagree with me PLEASE put me in your killfile because
that would mean later when I post information or requests for information,
less people like you will side-track the conversation with petty, bitchy,
whiny noise.

I doubt it,

Some people just like bitching all the time lol

Attacking people is cheap.

Saying that I am a troll is cheap.

Saying that my current post is bullshit because I supposedly misbehaved in
the past is also cheap and bullshit.

Besides it doesn't work.

Smart, intelligent people like Scotter simply look right through it

In a way it's a complement to my design. Because if my design was bad they
would be all over it. Like nonononono, this is bad, nonononono that is bad.
They are not doing that are they ?

Hehehehe, my design is SUPER/SUPERIOR. LOL.

P.S.:

I would be a fool not to buy my own superior design, especially after
spending so much time.

My (design) goal has been achieved.

So I must set new goal(s):

My next goal is to buy all this stuff, and build it, which will probably be
quit simple and quick.

After that my new goal will be: to enjoy my soon-to-be computer to the
maximum. Oh yeah.

And then it will no longer be a dream pc but a real bad software eating
MONNNNSTTERRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr argh argh argh argh =D

Bye,
Skybuck.

 

[kony]

Nope. Vista runs also with 128MB of memory...

For any practical purpose, no.
It'd be incredibly stupid to buy a box with vista that only
had 128MB, or to buy Vista for such a box.

256MB-512MB is the minimum, otherwise you have ran out of
memory and are using swapfile. MS would like to redefine
what a minimum is to sell more copies but that doesn't mean
it's really true. You are required to have more than 128MB
memory, so if you try to avoid it you just use hard drive
space as more than the 128MB... so any way you look at it,
you did use more than 128MB.

 

[Skybuck Flying]

Here is my counter attack on Benjamin

Benjamin has made himself look quite redicilious:

He thinks the following:

1. Windows Vista will actually run smooth and play games smooth with 512 MB
of ram.

He's probably a retard who plays FreeCell all day

2. PC's from Dell and Hewlett Packard are better than home made PC's.

Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha.

3. PC's from Dell and Hewlett Packard are cheaper.

Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha.

4. He needs "come help me at home" support.

Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha.

(He's too stupid to do it himself hahahahahahaha ).

5. He actually think's he knows what he is talking about just because he is
using Windows Vista at work.

He's thinking like a true retard should "I am running it so that makes me
automatically a expert".

6. He did not even bother to read my notes.

That makes him clueless not me.

7. He actually thinks I picked the most expensive components.

No Sir Bob !

I simply picked the components which performed the best in benchmarks.
Because I want the best of the best and I have the money too, too afford it,
and it will be worth it.
The only component where I made an exception is the processor.
Ofcourse he doesn't know that because he's clueless LOL.

8. He thinks there is no RAID ?!?

He clueless again.

9. He contradicts himself.

He says 4GB is too small for his needs. Yeah right. He probably running with
512 MB ram lol.

He is probably unaware of the fact that most motherboards don't support over
4 GB.

Let alone windows xp.

10. He admits he spent way too much money on his Dell PC.

When will this guy wake up ? Answer: NEVER LOL.

11. He is trying very hard to come over more intelligent than you.... by
saying that you're not so intelligent.

Gje. How cheap eh ? Is it working ? Ofcourse NOT, LOL.

Only retards like him think that works.

12. He is out of his league. This is a dream pc.

If you want to run Office XP only get out of this thread man.

His mind is too limited to think big. He sees it only as a penis enlargement
and as synthetic benchmark test. Except from running Vista at work.. This
guy has probably never ever played Doom 3, Quake 4 or run any other high
requirement software LOL.

13. He actually thinks these newgroups are unrelated.

He probably never ever heard of the NFORCE 4 chipset. He is probably
clueless about SLI,
PCI-E Express (Busses), Memory, Harddisks and how it all relates to each
other and impacts each other's performance.

There you go ladies and gentlemen.

A nice attack on Benjami Gawert "The Clueless Troll" =D

Normally I don't spent my time attacking people because it's not worth my
time.

But just for you, and just this once, and just because you're such a
cluesless motherfucker LOL,

I made an exception, Just to show my nice attacking skills *

PEACE

Hahahahahah

Skybuck,
Over and Out ! =D

 

[Scotter]

Hey Skybuck -

In the spirit of sharing info, etc, here is my "dream system" which is
actually just now being finished being built. I merely have to find the
final component, which is a 7800 GTX 512. Not easy so far.

Tyan Thunder K8WE motherboard - over $400
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813151148

Two Opteron 252's (2.6ghz) - over $400 each
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103511

4 gig Corsair XMS ECC Reg DDR 400 (2 gig per CPU as you see this motherboard
has 4 RAM slots per CPU slot)

Hitachi Deskstar 7K500 SATA 2 500GB drive - I'm sick of dealing with RAID. I
don't need super fast hard drive access. I want capacity and reliability. I
read good reviews of this drive. Already have an external/portable USB2
drive and external DVD burner to use for backups, etc.
I'll probably drop one or two of these 160gig Seagate SATA150 drives in the
case for quick backup of project data in case the Hitachi ever goes down.

Lian-Li PC-70 case (this is a very expensive case >$300 but WOW read the
review)
http://dansdata.com/pc70.htm
If you like to build your own systems, Skybuck, I HIGHLY recommend investing
in a case like this.

Ultra X-Connect (X2) Modular 550W power supply
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1273350&CatId=1079

BFG 7800 GTX 512 - every store seems to be awaiting shipments of these...
choosing this card because it is the fastest of nVidia's cards available at
this time, running at core 580 and mem 1750 AND it has my preferred cooling
solution, which is one that blows the warm air out the back of the case. I
had to get aftermarket (nvSilencer) for my current 6800 GT OC to do that. If
I can find an XFX or EVGA one any sooner, I'll snatch one of them up and
live with them not having my favored cooling method.

A few of the parts are coming from my current single Opteron 250 system --
like two of those 4 gig of RAM the Lian-Li case, and the power supply, all
of which (except PS) I've had for over a year now -- which runs on MSI's
Master2-FAR motherboard, which SUCKS. Oh the motherboard is very high
quality and has nice features for back when it came out but what sucks is
that cpu spot #2 is very close to the AGP slot, and in my case, too close to
even run a second CPU for very long; I had heating issues. But then I
believe something else was wrong with the MB, causing CPU2 to get too much
amperage and generate abnormal amounts of heat. So I've been running on one
Opteron 250 for awhile now. And if you have ever run dual processors and
then yanked one to run on just one, you'll know the feeling and *then*
you'll understand why I've built this new system as I did. BTW I'm not
disparaging your choice, Skybuck, to go with the X2 setup. I think those new
dual core CPUs are great. My reasons for going this route were:
(a) I can get a bit more ghz for less $ this way
(b) I already have that ECC RAM in my current box
(c) I'm not sure those X2's can run in "NUMA" mode right now
Now I've heard conflicting messages about being able to run in NUMA mode
with an X2 if you do some kludging but I'm not sure.
You may wish to read here:
http://forums.amd.com/index.php?s=b...&showtopic=62962&pid=569837&st=0&#entry569837
and here:
http://www.vmware.com/community/thread.jspa?threadID=24282&tstart=0

 

[Benjamin Gawert]

Here is my counter attack on Benjamin

Benjamin has made himself look quite redicilious:

He thinks the following:

1. Windows Vista will actually run smooth and play games smooth with 512 MB
of ram.

He's probably a retard who plays FreeCell all day

Yeah, right. You're definitely showing your intelligence here...

2. PC's from Dell and Hewlett Packard are better than home made PC's.

Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha.

You don't know shit so everyone must know shit?

3. PC's from Dell and Hewlett Packard are cheaper.

Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha.

I never said that. Reading isn't your strongest point, eh?

4. He needs "come help me at home" support.

Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha.

(He's too stupid to do it himself hahahahahahaha ).

You're a moron, but then what should I expect from a guy that obviously
didn't even hit puberty. FYI: if you have to make money with your
computer you usually have no time fiddling around and searching for
failures, or to wait several weeks until companies like Asusu get their
asses up and send you a replacement for your broken mainboard. Loosing
time means loosing money. Of course a teenager doesn't understand that...

And if you are having problems with a professional software (i.e some
expensive CAD package) that you use to earn your money, and the support
asks you if you have a certified system and if you say "no, I'm so cool
that I build a system by myself because I know everything better" then
they will tell you to **** yourself with the problem. Period.

5. He actually think's he knows what he is talking about just because he is
using Windows Vista at work.

He's thinking like a true retard should "I am running it so that makes me
automatically a expert".

Well, running and working is something different. Maybe you are running
some more or less legal version of Vista, but you certainly don't get
paid to _work_ with it, otherwise you'd show a bit more competence...

7. He actually thinks I picked the most expensive components.

No Sir Bob !

I simply picked the components which performed the best in benchmarks.

Yeah, benchmarks. Of course you don't know the difference between a
synthetic benchmark and real-world performance...

Because I want the best of the best and I have the money too, too afford it,
and it will be worth it.

If you have the money then go out and buy that thing and save us your
BS. But honestly, if you can afford it, better go and let someone who
knows anything about hardware to build the computer...

The only component where I made an exception is the processor.
Ofcourse he doesn't know that because he's clueless LOL.

8. He thinks there is no RAID ?!?

He clueless again.

Yeah, the great Nvidia software RAID. Very fast for RAID0 but ****ing
crap for anything that requires availability (RAID1, RAID5 etc). But
what should I tell that to a kid that even doesn't know what a hardware
RAID is...

9. He contradicts himself.

He says 4GB is too small for his needs. Yeah right. He probably running with
512 MB ram lol.

He is probably unaware of the fact that most motherboards don't support over
4 GB.

Let alone windows xp.

Well, my computer supports up to 16GB of memory, and Windowsxp x64 has
no problems with the 10GB of DDR2 it currently has...

10. He admits he spent way too much money on his Dell PC.

When will this guy wake up ? Answer: NEVER LOL.

Yeah, right. Besides that my main PC is not from Dell...

Thinking also sin't a strong point of yours. I begin to wonder where
your strong points are...

12. He is out of his league. This is a dream pc.

If you want to run Office XP only get out of this thread man.

How about you concentrate your BS in the groups it belongs to? Since you
have problems with understanding, I'll give you a hint: the newsgroup
name has "pc-homebuilt" in it...

His mind is too limited to think big. He sees it only as a penis enlargement
and as synthetic benchmark test. Except from running Vista at work.. This
guy has probably never ever played Doom 3, Quake 4 or run any other high
requirement software LOL.

Yeah, if you say so, it must be right...

13. He actually thinks these newgroups are unrelated.

He probably never ever heard of the NFORCE 4 chipset. He is probably
clueless about SLI,
PCI-E Express (Busses), Memory, Harddisks and how it all relates to each
other and impacts each other's performance.

You're even to stupid to understand what comp.arch ist for, or that the
ATI- and Nvidia-groups are for Graphics cards. But a kid like you
certainly doesn't even know what a chipset is...

I made an exception, Just to show my nice attacking skills *

Well, no. You just showed the total inability to handle critics, besides
that you already prooved to have no clue about computers which go over
reading some websites. Of course you're attacking me directly because
you simply have no arguments, and you have no arguments because you have
no knowledge. But it's ok, kiddo. Google will save every piece of shit
you posted, so that you will have someting to laugh about - later when
you're grown up one day...

Benjamin

 

[Scotter]

Oh and Skybuck -

Here is IMHO a superior monitor to the one you listed:
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/ProductDetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&cs=19&sku=24053YR&category_id=4009
Dell's ULtraSharp 2405FPW 24-inch Wide Aspect Flat Panel LCD
12ms response. 1920x1200
I have two of these and they rock.
No ghosting in games, either.
Right now my 6800 GT OC only supports one DVI and one VGA so, with adaptor,
monitor #2 doesn't look quite as crisp as #1 but you are getting a dual DVI
card so you'll be fine (and yay I will be, too, as soon as I can find that
7800 GTX 512 card...)

 

[Benjamin Gawert]

No, I'm not joking. XP can not load the RAID drivers from USB/DVD/CDR you
MUST have a floppy installed. In 2003 Server and Vista you can access other
devices, but not XP.

Well, I beg to differ. Basically you're right of course, WinXP accepts
only diskettes during initial installation. But some BIOSes are able to
mask a USB drive as diskette, thus making it able to use them for driver
installation...

Benjamin

 

[Bernd Paysan]

FYI: if you have to make money with your
computer you usually have no time fiddling around and searching for
failures, or to wait several weeks until companies like Asusu get their
asses up and send you a replacement for your broken mainboard.

The way I deal with the PC "robustness" problem in the office is by having
at least one spare PC, so when one PC breaks, work can continue. Under
normal conditions, the spare PCs can be used to offload long-running jobs.
I even do so at home, but then, the spare PC is the previous one or the
notebook.

The last boards that broke where Gigabyte boards, though (same lot). I
replaced one with an ASUS board and the other with a later revision of the
Gigabyte board, and both work fine.

 

[Skybuck Flying]

Oh and Skybuck -

Here is IMHO a superior monitor to the one you listed:

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/ProductDetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&cs=19&sku=24053YR&category_id=4009

I don't think so... at least when reading this thread about the noise level:

http://forums.us.dell.com/supportfo...ssage.id=44518&view=by_date_ascending&page=31

Yikes !

Dell's ULtraSharp 2405FPW 24-inch Wide Aspect Flat Panel LCD
12ms response. 1920x1200
I have two of these and they rock.
No ghosting in games, either.
Right now my 6800 GT OC only supports one DVI and one VGA so, with adaptor,
monitor #2 doesn't look quite as crisp as #1 but you are getting a dual DVI
card so you'll be fine (and yay I will be, too, as soon as I can find that
7800 GTX 512 card...)

Euhm , what am I supposed to do with two DVI's on my graphics card ?


Two of these monitors ??? Seems a bit overkill but ok <- for me at least

I am quite tired so I am keeping the posts short for now.

Later...

Bye,
Skybuck.

 

[Skybuck Flying]

Hmm interesting read.

Your computer will have the following properties compared to mine =D

1. More cpu power, 10% to 30%
2. More memory, 100% to 300%
3. More reliable/stable memory but also slightly slower.
4. Probably faster graphics, thanks to the cpu... maybe also 10% to 30% or
even higher in case 4 GB is not enough
5. A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE ! HOLYSHIT.

The AMD opteron 252 in one of my "local" (meaning netherlands/europe web
store) costs about 723 euro's ! OUCH.

The AMD opteron 252 is only a single core 2.6 ghz processor so you'll need
two as shown in the benchmark (see my list )

So two of these would costs: 1446 euro's. HOLYSHIT.

That really makes me go HOLYSHIT.

The AMD athlon X2 3800+ only costs 346 euro's and it has two cores both
running at 2.0 ghz. So it's almost like a 4.0 ghz processor.

Both opteron's would ammount to: 5.2 ghz. So in theory: ((5.6-4)/4)*100 = 40
procent faster.

The benchmarks show only 30 procent faster in reality.

Now let's look at the price:

((1446-346)/346) * 100 = 318% more expensive.

The combined opterons are 318% more expensive than the x2 3800.

I seriously think you are getting riped off at the processor front

Here is one last tip: Make sure to cool the hitachi harddisk with an extra
fan, just in case.

I read a review and it said the harddisks should be cooled to run at
comfortable levels

So a case with fans for the harddisks would be nice.

Otherwise I would recommend that you touch the harddisk while it's running
and if it's really getting to hot you might have problem there

I think 60 degree's is still safe... but the review recommened 30 degrees.

However I have no idea what 60 degrees since I never measured it.

I simply touch with my finger, and if it burns my finger than that can't be
good.

60 degrees is probably just below the "burning finger syndrome" lol.

But don't think my word for it

I'll investigate this some more later on...

Thank you for sharing and have a nice day/night/evening/whatever

P.S.:

At least you're being smart to make a backup, we all know the horror stories
about the gxp 60 etc...

So just like you I am always a bit worried with the hitachi drives lol...
but when they work well... it's sure worth it

So a good backup strategy (for example by using ghost software) is a nice
"peace of mind" to have

Or simply zipping all important data...

Now I also have two drives... and I haven't made a CD backup in probably 6
months or a year.

Maybe that's not so smart... both drives could fail at the same time... for
example one drive overheats and causes the other one
to overheat as well... and lately I have been hitting my computer case
pretty hard because the power fan doesn't spin up right at the start...
it keeps making this weird sound... as soon as I hit the case it spins ok
lol.

One of these days I might damage both harddisks at the same time and then
it's boom/crash lol

Oh well =D

Bye,
Skybuck.

 

[Ed Forsythe]

Hi Skybuck,
Lots of critics but few constructive suggestions. Maximum PC has put
together dream machines in the 10K range. I can't afford one but if I could
I'd build one because it's one of my hobbies (all expensive <G>). Is there
a problem with that or are all of you counter- trolls a little jealous? Back
to my purpose - Skybuck did I miss something or are you proposing a super '
puter based on DDR memory? Why not DDR2? I would prefer WD drives and I'd
start with 2GB of DDR2 RAM and up the ante when it became desirable.
There's no such thing as too much memory or power supply. Provide your case
and MB can handle both. It's like the performance car troop favorite -
"There's no substitute for cubic inches!" ;-)

 

[FredK]

Constructive suggestion: Stop crossposting where nobody is interested in
Skydopes pre-teen nightmare.

 

[Bernd Paysan]

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/ProductDetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&cs=19&sku=24053YR&category_id=4009

I don't think so... at least when reading this thread about the noise
level:

http://forums.us.dell.com/supportfo...ssage.id=44518&view=by_date_ascending&page=31

Yikes !

I've heard about that, but couldn't reproduce it. I've one at home and seven
in the office (not for me alone ;-), and they are all silent. Maybe the
110V version makes noise?