Skybuck's Dream PC dead again for the (4th?) zillion-th time ?!? (Electrical fault with X-Fi Elite P

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Nothing wrong with my building skills, even a monkey can put together a
PC... that's not the problem ! ;)

It's the components them selfes that suck... perhaps at the time there was
little choice, later on came AM2 sockets which had much lower TDP processors
(35 watt instead of socket 939 90 watt)

Perhaps those 90 watt processors should never have been produced in the
first place ! ;)

Bye,
Skybuck.
 
I've seen "critical infrastucture"circuit boards (as in generator
controls for hydroelectric plants) with holes completely burnt thru them
(look thru them?) underneath power resistors. Did they fail? NO.
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If so, then the designer of the board was an incompetent fool, and
should be fired or at least given some extra training. Power resistors
need to be derated or specially mounted to keep them from burning the
board. A 10 watt resistor cannot dissipate 10 watts when mounted on a
pc board. Sheesh.snip
 
Nothing wrong with my building skills, even a monkey can put together a
PC... that's not the problem ! ;)

It's the components them selfes that suck... perhaps at the time there was
little choice, later on came AM2 sockets which had much lower TDP processors
(35 watt instead of socket 939 90 watt)

Perhaps those 90 watt processors should never have been produced in the
first place ! ;)

Bye,
Skybuck.
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I'll bet that over 85% of every electronic device failure you ever had
was YOU and an ESD event.

Why? Because you are clueless about everything else, so you being
clueless about ESD protection practices and procedures is pretty much a
given.

On this, I would place a bet.

Sorry, but "any monkey" would put the retard that you are to shame.
 
If so, then the designer of the board was an incompetent fool, and
should be fired or at least given some extra training. Power resistors
need to be derated or specially mounted to keep them from burning the
board. A 10 watt resistor cannot dissipate 10 watts when mounted on a pc
board. Sheesh.
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Think single-side/no layer PC boards from the 60's thru the early 80's..

I take it that you haven't dealt with stuff that's 15-20 years past it's
own design life? It's not really an excuse for the original designer,
but that's the reality of where much of the critical stuff is at today.
In the above, it's often that the "burner board" was installed in a
"control cabinet" that was 90+% "empty space". There was no
airflow/cooling issues then. That same "control cabinet" has been
stuffed to the gills with added gear until there was not enough airflow
to stop the burn.

I'm sharing some of the guilt on that, guess who put all the extra crap
in? (Usually under protest). If you can't get the real estate, you do
this crap.

I've seen some of those boards in "updated versions", the fix was to cut
a window in the board underneath where the burns occurred. Crude, but it
works.

But in the end run, those burns seldom resulted in a true fail. All we
did was carve out the burn with a knife if we could swap it out or take
it off-line, and that was mainly for looks.





--
"Shit this is it, all the pieces do fit.
We're like that crazy old man jumping
out of the alleyway with a baseball bat,
saying, "Remember me motherfucker?"
Jim “Dandy” Mangrum
 
I think the real cause of dead is probably "reset" related, but some dumbass
I ever spoke to said he didn't believe that... but he was wrong about other
very basic things as well.

This motherboard probably died from one reset too many... I saw a gigabyte
motherboard pretty much die the same way... so it almost seems there must be
some thruth too it...

Somehow resets cause electronic components to wear out faster.

However to be on the safe side lowering temperatures seems wise too...
perhaps high temperature plus many resets leads to early system death.

Bye,
Skybuck.
 
DC said:
That explains the "current" situation perfectly.

Don't want any nasty shocks.
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Hmm apperently "current" situation (1) can indeed create a buzzing/humming
effect and can even lead to eletricution danger !

According to this wikipedia link for english people ! ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_loop_(electricity)

It mentions the connecting all stuff to one group to make things a little
bit better. (As drawn in situation 2 ?! I hope it helps)

So the point could be: I probably shocked my PC/motherboard to death (which
motherboard component is most likely to fail from something like that ???) !
;) =D But I bet it would have probably failed a few months/years later from
heat as well...

Bye,
Skybuck.
 
Ok,

I understand this now a bit better...

Apperently all this time there was 120 volts on my PC casing because it
wasn't grounded... this is apperently standard...

I have probably felt this tingling before... I used to touch my pc case
believing that it could help get rid of static electricity ;) I thought the
static electricity would travel to my body so I could pass it on to
something else... that was pretty stupid.

But because it's a "fluctuating voltage" apperently it's not dangerous for
"healthy human beings".

However I am a bit skeptical about that... perhaps this 120 volts gave me
swellings inside my body... so I will investigate that further later....

Well all equipment is powered by 240 volts which gets divided by 2... so
receiver also on 120 volts casing I guess...

So somewhere somehow some potential difference accord... now I go read on...
;)

Bye,
Skybuck :)
 
Think single-side/no layer PC boards from the 60's thru the early 80's..
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Wrong again. Note where he stated "specially mounted".

I can guarantee you that your 60s examples were elevated OFF the
circuit board itself. That IS a "special" mounting case, and is NOT the
standard.

So, like he said, there has NEVER been a case where an engineer with
any brains ever mounted a power element in proximity to a material
subject to damage from heat, as circuit boards are.

Even a half watt device should be elevated to provide space between
itself (the heat source) and the support substrate for its mounting nodes
(circuit board pads, vias, etc.. Sometimes, even the mounting nodes need
to be bolstered in one way or another to sink heat better.
 
Ok,

I understand this now a bit better...

Apperently all this time there was 120 volts on my PC casing because it
wasn't grounded... this is apperently standard...

I have probably felt this tingling before... I used to touch my pc case
believing that it could help get rid of static electricity ;) I thought the
static electricity would travel to my body so I could pass it on to
something else... that was pretty stupid.

But because it's a "fluctuating voltage" apperently it's not dangerous for
"healthy human beings".

However I am a bit skeptical about that... perhaps this 120 volts gave me
swellings inside my body... so I will investigate that further later....

Well all equipment is powered by 240 volts which gets divided by 2... so
receiver also on 120 volts casing I guess...

So somewhere somehow some potential difference accord... now I go read on...
;)

Bye,
Skybuck :)
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AN ESD event can be at as low a voltage as 20 volts. If you have
floating grounds and such all over the place, then it is most certainly
YOU that has been frying ALL of your hardware.

An ESD event does not cause immediate failures in many cases.

Your biggest problem is that you do NOT know what you are doing.
 
I AM THAT I AM said:
Hahahahahahahahahahahah!

Only for folks with your Karma.
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Remember it's still not certain what killed and therefore I will give you
the same response as I did towards that other "imbecile":

"I dare you to reset your PC/motherboard ten-thousand times continously ! ;)
=D"

And then we'll talk... ! ;) =D

Asstwat ! ;) =D
^ I added that part just for you ! ;) =D

Bye,
Skybuck =D
 
Remember it's still not certain what killed
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Yes it is. YOU killed it, you dumb ****head.
and therefore I will give you
the same response as I did towards that other "imbecile":
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Who, your father? That makes two in this thread. You and him.
"I dare you to reset your PC/motherboard ten-thousand times continously ! ;)
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You're a goddamned idiot.
=D"
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Moreso with the smiley retarded baby bullshit.
And then we'll talk... ! ;) =D
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No, we won't dumbfuck.
Asstwat ! ;) =D
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You are so stupid even your attempts at insults are adolescent
stupidity.
^ I added that part just for you ! ;) =D
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You and your entire family should be stripped from the gene pool.
 
Only a colored person can be as nasty as you ?! ;)

Am I right ?! ;)

Go see a shrink ! ;) =D

Bye,
Skybuck =D
 
For the record.

ESD fail theory can be shoved straight up your ass.

I fokked my Pentium III 450 mhz harder then you can possibly imagine.

I touched every motherfokking component of it, touched it with water, dust,
poop, screws, screw drivers, fluffy stuff, dust, fingers.

And it's still working after 12 years or so.

So nope...

ESD theory straight up ass ;)

(static electricity bullshit)

Bye,
Skybuck.
 
Hmmm...

I just noticed something that I probably have not noticed before.

One of the power extension boxes has no ground pins !

The receiver was probably connected to it, the PC was not, the monitor was
not, they were both on a different power extension box.

This probably allowed the PC and the Receiver to have different voltage
potentials.

Anyway... I am now in the process of replacing the two power extension boxes
with just one extension box which I got from the fridge.

Good thing I noticed it because the fridge ofcourse must be grounded !

So I am gonna use the spare power extension box with ground for fridge...
and I will use the non-grounded power extension box for non-grounded
equipment.


This includes:

cable modem, tv and lamp.


The cable modem is not grounded so it has little use plugging it into the
same power box as the PC...

So in a way this changing of power extensions is pretty useless, the
previous situation was probably better.

However when I need to plug in my printer I need to use a 4th slot... but I
can probably unplug receiver for that.

I don't feel completely safe with the power box from the fridge... it's big
but it's max power wattage is unknown...

Also it's pretty dusty near my PC and the dust builds up in the holes which
could short circuit or cause fire... leaving those holes un-exposed is also
a risk for screws falling into it and then me being stupid enough to try and
get them out while it's all on... nope that not gonna happen lol.. cause I
am not gonna do that ever... it could also short circuit everything.

So I think I already correct the situation when I swap receiver to pc power
box...

So one it died the situation was bad, after that I corrected it, now I was
thinking about correcting it more... but that would be worse...

So anyway... interesting to notice one power box misses grounding and cable
modem is missing grounding.

Bye,
Skybuck.
 
This is a situation where a pc speaker would have come in handy.

Unfortunately the antec 1200 case does not have a pc speaker.

This is a pretty big negative for trouble shooting ;)

I am not ready to start my re-build.

Let's see what happens...

I am going to record it with my camera and then maybe place it on youtube.

Bye,
Skybuck.
 
This is a situation where a pc speaker would have come in handy.

Unfortunately the antec 1200 case does not have a pc speaker.

This is a pretty big negative for trouble shooting ;)

I am not ready to start my re-build.

Let's see what happens...

I am going to record it with my camera and then maybe place it on youtube.

Bye,
Skybuck.
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You are more than just a little stupid if you do not know how to place
a speaker in your PC case.
 
Skybuck said:
This is a situation where a pc speaker would have come in handy.

Unfortunately the antec 1200 case does not have a pc speaker.

This is a pretty big negative for trouble shooting ;)

I am not ready to start my re-build.

Let's see what happens...

I am going to record it with my camera and then maybe place it on youtube.

Bye,
Skybuck.
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No, your camera is broken. :(
 
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