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julian8888888
Thanks, I willl try the DVI input tomorrow and see if that helps.
Cheers,
Julian
Cheers,
Julian
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can know what I like too.
+ You think you know everything Rod?
Pity you dont actually have a shred of evidence rigorous scientific
evidence that supports your stupid claim that subtle, unnatural,
incessant sounds' can damage your hearing, or even produce ringing.
+ Why with this overbearing condescending attitude Rod? It's really
unnecessary. You are thinking inside the box and from a position of
ignorance of the actual reality of the situation. You presume that I
can't think scientifically and I have overlooked your viewpoint, when
in fact I've already looked at things from where you are viewing and
have decided that even though the monitor doesn't "seem" like a cause,
it could be, and my experience, and my bodies reaction to the situation
leads me to believe it is. You're saying the equivalent of "only a
roaring blaze can burn you and that candles don't burn people." It's
like you're telling someone that burned their hand on a candle that
they actually didn't burn their hand on the candle, they burned it on a
blaze that doesn't exist.
Useless if you aint even got the remotest concept
of what rigorous science is actually about.
+presuming again.
What actually produces hearing damage has been tested for centurys now.
+ I see, so you think humans have figured out everything there is to
know about the ear and how it can perceive and be damaged etc. And you
are the foremost authority and expert that everyone should listen to on
all matters?
You aint even established that you actually HAVE any hearing
damage, let along that that is what has produced the ringing
you now have. Tinnitus happens without any external source at all.
+ I've said that I have a ringing in the ears that is not going away.
This is hearing damage, what else would you call it?
Nothing in that room may be, but its just a tad
unlikely that you are never outside that room, ever.
+ I said the ringing problem only happens in this room with this
monitor and not with the same headphones when I use it in other
situations in other rooms. You disregard the facts that don't support
your rigid doctrine.
Mindlessly silly.
+ Yes, it's mindlessly silly to actually set up a test situation to see
if the monitor is the cause. It's also silly to want to avoid
unnecessary noise from the other components. How silly of me.
Easy to claim.
+ I'm not claiming anything, I'm just stating what I'm feeling. You
want me to ignore what my body is telling me and just blindly follow
scientific explanations and limited knowledge?
You dont get that effect with tinnitus thats induced by very loud
noises.
+ Well, if you read what Paul posted you can see there is more than
meets the eye. There is phenomena that falls outside of our limited
understanding. You disregard and overlook this to support your single
minded dogmatic form of science. Some sounds fall outside the range of
human hearing for example. You seem to think you have omniscience,
when you don't even possess a clear view of the reality of the
situation and are disregarding what I said and choosing only facts that
support your views.
Bet thats what has produced the tinnitus, too high a sound
level in those headphones. And it clearly aint just the monitor
thats producing a noticeable sound level in your ears.
+ Thanks for your opinion Rod, but that derrogitory tone was really
unnecessary. I already stated this happens without the headphones, yet
you ignore this fact.
You aint an expert at anything else, either.
+ I never claimed to be, but I suppose you are?
Mindless pig ignorant quackery.
+ It's called observation.
Bet its the headphone level.
+ I said already, this happens without headphones. You keep
overlooking that.
And you CAN get tinnitus without that being
due to the sound level at your ears anyway.
And it certainly is NOT produced by 'subtle, unnatural,
incessant sounds', otherwise everyone would have it.
+ Well, perhaps the cause isn't the subtle noise or perhaps it is, I
don't think we know enough to state things in black and white.
Sometimes these things are symptoms of larger, hard to perceive causes
such as those eluded to in Paul's post. You seem to think you have the
authority to state things in black and white. I'm just analyzing the
situation without ruling out any ideas outright. I am open to
possibilities because I know I don't know all there is to know and I
could be unaware of possibilities like those Paul pointed out. You are
the one being close minded Rod, sorry to say.
+ You think you know everything Rod?
but in my view from my experience, it is
the most definite reason for the ringing.
Pity you dont actually have a shred of evidence rigorous scientific
evidence that supports your stupid claim that subtle, unnatural,
incessant sounds' can damage your hearing, or even produce ringing.
+ Why with this overbearing condescending attitude Rod? It's really
unnecessary. You are thinking inside the box and from a position of
ignorance of the actual reality of the situation. You presume that I
can't think scientifically and I have overlooked your viewpoint, when
in fact I've already looked at things from where you are viewing and
have decided that even though the monitor doesn't "seem" like a cause,
it could be, and my experience, and my bodies reaction to the situation
leads me to believe it is. You're saying the equivalent of "only a
roaring blaze can burn you and that candles don't burn people." It's
like you're telling someone that burned their hand on a candle that
they actually didn't burn their hand on the candle, they burned it on a
blaze that doesn't exist.
I've also had enough time to analyze it.
Useless if you aint even got the remotest concept
of what rigorous science is actually about.
+presuming again.
How would you know anyway, unless you have
the same exact setup, room, and my ears? lol
What actually produces hearing damage has been tested for centurys now.
+ I see, so you think humans have figured out everything there is to
know about the ear and how it can perceive and be damaged etc. And you
are the foremost authority and expert that everyone should listen to on
all matters?
How else would you explain it?
You aint even established that you actually HAVE any hearing
damage, let along that that is what has produced the ringing
you now have. Tinnitus happens without any external source at all.
+ I've said that I have a ringing in the ears that is not going away.
This is hearing damage, what else would you call it?
Nothing else is making a noise.
Nothing in that room may be, but its just a tad
unlikely that you are never outside that room, ever.
+ I said the ringing problem only happens in this room with this
monitor and not with the same headphones when I use it in other
situations in other rooms. You disregard the facts that don't support
your rigid doctrine.
I have my computer in the hall with wires hooking up to
the monitor, keyboard, mouse, in this room. So the only
thing making noise is the monitor. After prolonged hours
I hear a ringing in my ears and it if I overdue it, it hurts.
Mindlessly silly.
+ Yes, it's mindlessly silly to actually set up a test situation to see
if the monitor is the cause. It's also silly to want to avoid
unnecessary noise from the other components. How silly of me.
As soon as I turn off the monitor my ears feel this sense of relief.
Easy to claim.
+ I'm not claiming anything, I'm just stating what I'm feeling. You
want me to ignore what my body is telling me and just blindly follow
scientific explanations and limited knowledge?
It's gotten to the point where I hear a certain part of the ring
only when it's on. As soon as it's off it starts to get better.
You dont get that effect with tinnitus thats induced by very loud
noises.
+ Well, if you read what Paul posted you can see there is more than
meets the eye. There is phenomena that falls outside of our limited
understanding. You disregard and overlook this to support your single
minded dogmatic form of science. Some sounds fall outside the range of
human hearing for example. You seem to think you have omniscience,
when you don't even possess a clear view of the reality of the
situation and are disregarding what I said and choosing only facts that
support your views.
This only happens when I sit it front of the computer
and never in other circumstances such as listening
to music with headphones in another room.
Bet thats what has produced the tinnitus, too high a sound
level in those headphones. And it clearly aint just the monitor
thats producing a noticeable sound level in your ears.
+ Thanks for your opinion Rod, but that derrogitory tone was really
unnecessary. I already stated this happens without the headphones, yet
you ignore this fact.
It might not be severe or permanent, I'm not a hearing expert,
You aint an expert at anything else, either.
+ I never claimed to be, but I suppose you are?
but it's annoying nonetheless and can't be
healthy for your ears, especially if it continues.
Mindless pig ignorant quackery.
+ It's called observation.
Your ears don't start ringing without a reason.
Bet its the headphone level.
+ I said already, this happens without headphones. You keep
overlooking that.
And you CAN get tinnitus without that being
due to the sound level at your ears anyway.
And it certainly is NOT produced by 'subtle, unnatural,
incessant sounds', otherwise everyone would have it.
+ Well, perhaps the cause isn't the subtle noise or perhaps it is, I
don't think we know enough to state things in black and white.
Sometimes these things are symptoms of larger, hard to perceive causes
such as those eluded to in Paul's post. You seem to think you have the
authority to state things in black and white. I'm just analyzing the
situation without ruling out any ideas outright. I am open to
possibilities because I know I don't know all there is to know and I
could be unaware of possibilities like those Paul pointed out. You are
the one being close minded Rod, sorry to say.
R
Rod Speed
(e-mail address removed) wrote
Unlikely given that I have asked questions at time.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
You get no say what so ever on what is or is not necessary, ever.
Not if you havent actually been lying about the actual reality of the situation.
I never ever said that.
Or that.
No youo havent.
More fool you when you dont actually have a shred of rigorous
scientific evidence that supports your stupid claim that subtle,
unnatural, incessant sounds' can damage your hearing, or even
produce ringing and you admit that you do use headphones and
its MUCH more likely that its actually excessive levels with those
that has damaged your hearing if it is actually damaged.
THAT has been established with rigorous science.
More fool you and what you may or may not believe has always
been and always will be completely and utterly irrelevant.
Nope, nothing like. Its completey trivial
to prove that candles can burn people.
You you dont actually have a shred of rigorous scientific evidence
that supports your stupid claim that subtle, unnatural, incessant
sounds' can damage your hearing, or even produce ringing.
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
Nope, all the evidence we need is your desperate attempt to bullshit
your way out of your predicament that fools absolutely no one at all.
Its quite easy to measure whether hearing has been damaged.
Nope. I do however know that its quite easy to
measure whether hearing has been damaged or not.
Even someone as stupid as you should be able to find quite
a bit on that using google, if someone was actually stupid
enough to lend you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.
Separate matter entirely to whether 'subtle, unnatural,
incessant sounds' is what has produced that.
PARTICULARLY when you admit that you do use headphones
and its been established with rigorous science that excessive
levels can produce ringing in your ears that doesnt go away.
AND when you can get tinnitus without that being due to sound levels too.
Wrong again.
Easy to claim when desperately attempting to
bullshit your way out of your predicament now.
Not a single fact in sight, JUST that stupid pig ignorant claim that 'subtle,
unnatural, incessant sounds' can produce ringing in your ears, for which
you dont actually have even a shred of rigorous scientific evidence.
You'll have to pardon us if we decide you have plucked
that stupid pig ignorant claim from your arse instead.
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
You obviously are doing just that.
Even someone as stupid as you should be able to use google
and look up the placebo effect, if someone was actually stupid
enough to lend you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.
Nope, anyone with a clue realises that given the placebo effect
and the fact that you admit you use headphones, that before you
make a stupid pig ignorant claim that 'subtle, unnatural, incessant
sounds' are damaging your hearing, when you dont have even
a shred of rigorous scientific evidence to support that claim,
would do what is done to eliminate the placebo effect, try
a proper double blind trial to test that particular claim.
He didnt post anything that said anything about HEARING DAMAGE.
Nope, I am well aware of beat effect thanks.
AND I realise that beat effect are ALWAYS at a lower
amplitude than the frequencys that are producing that too.
Wrong again.
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
No news to me, child. Even you should be able to find
examples of me saying that to others using groups.google.
Just more of your desperately attempts to bullshit your way out of your predicament.
Wrong again if you arent actually lying about that.
I didnt do that either. I JUST said that you dont actually
have a shred of rigorous scientific evidence that supports
your stupid claim that 'subtle, unnatural, incessant sounds'
can damage your hearing, or even produce ringing
And that there is a wealth of rigorous scientific
evidence that using headphones can and does do that.
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
That isnt an opinion, its a fact, that you dont notice the tinnitus
produced by excessive volume levels with headphones until you
are in a very quiet environment like with your very quiet PC,
until the hearing damage becomes so severe that the only
time you dont notice it any more is in very noisy environments.
There is no 'derrogitory tone' there.
You get no say what so ever on what is or is not necessary, ever.
Pity that you dont realise that that isnt relevant because minor
hearing damage which produces tinnitus will only be noticeable
in very quiet environments like without the headphones.
Wrong again. I didnt ignore it at all.
Just as well.
I never ever said that.
You aint 'observed' a damned thing on that stupid pig
ignorant claim that just because its annoying it "can't
be healthy for your ears, especially if it continues"
A dripping tap can be very annoying but it wont EVER
damage your ears unless you are stupid enough to try
jamming things into your ears so you cant hear it anymore.
I said already, you only notice minor hearing damage
caused by excessive headphone levels when you arent
using the headphones and are in a very quiet environment
where the tinnitus is audible, or with a proper hearing test.
Corse we do. Tinnitus has been studied for
MANY years now using decent rigorous science.
Tinnitus isnt. His stuff was just about what
is AUDIBLE, a different matter entirely.
Dont need any 'authority', even someone as stupid as you should
be able to use google on tinnitus and hearing damage due to
excessing noise levels, and you wont find even a shred of rigorous
scientific evidence that supports your stupid claim that 'subtle, unnatural,
incessant sounds' can damage your hearing, or even produce ringing
You're lying now. You have clearly ruled out the headphones.
You clearly arent with the headphones.
Yet you proclaim that it cant be the headphones.
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
Rod Speed wrote
You think you know everything Rod?
Unlikely given that I have asked questions at time.
Why with this overbearing condescending attitude Rod?
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
It's really unnecessary.
You get no say what so ever on what is or is not necessary, ever.
You are thinking inside the box
Nope.
and from a position of ignorance of the actual reality of the situation.
Not if you havent actually been lying about the actual reality of the situation.
You presume that I can't think scientifically
I never ever said that.
and I have overlooked your viewpoint,
Or that.
when in fact I've already looked at things from where you are viewing
No youo havent.
and have decided that even though the monitor
doesn't "seem" like a cause, it could be,
More fool you when you dont actually have a shred of rigorous
scientific evidence that supports your stupid claim that subtle,
unnatural, incessant sounds' can damage your hearing, or even
produce ringing and you admit that you do use headphones and
its MUCH more likely that its actually excessive levels with those
that has damaged your hearing if it is actually damaged.
THAT has been established with rigorous science.
and my experience, and my bodies reaction
to the situation leads me to believe it is.
More fool you and what you may or may not believe has always
been and always will be completely and utterly irrelevant.
You're saying the equivalent of "only a roaring blaze
can burn you and that candles don't burn people."
Nope, nothing like. Its completey trivial
to prove that candles can burn people.
You you dont actually have a shred of rigorous scientific evidence
that supports your stupid claim that subtle, unnatural, incessant
sounds' can damage your hearing, or even produce ringing.
It's like you're telling someone that burned their hand on
a candle that they actually didn't burn their hand on the
candle, they burned it on a blaze that doesn't exist.
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
presuming again.
Nope, all the evidence we need is your desperate attempt to bullshit
your way out of your predicament that fools absolutely no one at all.
I see, so you think humans have figured out everything there is to
know about the ear and how it can perceive and be damaged etc.
Its quite easy to measure whether hearing has been damaged.
And you are the foremost authority and expert
that everyone should listen to on all matters?
Nope. I do however know that its quite easy to
measure whether hearing has been damaged or not.
Even someone as stupid as you should be able to find quite
a bit on that using google, if someone was actually stupid
enough to lend you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.
I've said that I have a ringing in the ears that is not going away.
Separate matter entirely to whether 'subtle, unnatural,
incessant sounds' is what has produced that.
PARTICULARLY when you admit that you do use headphones
and its been established with rigorous science that excessive
levels can produce ringing in your ears that doesnt go away.
AND when you can get tinnitus without that being due to sound levels too.
This is hearing damage,
Wrong again.
what else would you call it?
Tinnitus.
I said the ringing problem only happens in this room
with this monitor and not with the same headphones
when I use it in other situations in other rooms.
Easy to claim when desperately attempting to
bullshit your way out of your predicament now.
You disregard the facts that don't support your rigid doctrine.
Not a single fact in sight, JUST that stupid pig ignorant claim that 'subtle,
unnatural, incessant sounds' can produce ringing in your ears, for which
you dont actually have even a shred of rigorous scientific evidence.
You'll have to pardon us if we decide you have plucked
that stupid pig ignorant claim from your arse instead.
Yes, it's mindlessly silly to actually set up a test situation to
see if the monitor is the cause. It's also silly to want to avoid
unnecessary noise from the other components. How silly of me.
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
I'm not claiming anything,
You obviously are doing just that.
I'm just stating what I'm feeling.
Even someone as stupid as you should be able to use google
and look up the placebo effect, if someone was actually stupid
enough to lend you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.
You want me to ignore what my body is telling me and just
blindly follow scientific explanations and limited knowledge?
Nope, anyone with a clue realises that given the placebo effect
and the fact that you admit you use headphones, that before you
make a stupid pig ignorant claim that 'subtle, unnatural, incessant
sounds' are damaging your hearing, when you dont have even
a shred of rigorous scientific evidence to support that claim,
would do what is done to eliminate the placebo effect, try
a proper double blind trial to test that particular claim.
Well, if you read what Paul posted you
can see there is more than meets the eye.
He didnt post anything that said anything about HEARING DAMAGE.
There is phenomena that falls outside of our limited understanding.
Nope, I am well aware of beat effect thanks.
AND I realise that beat effect are ALWAYS at a lower
amplitude than the frequencys that are producing that too.
You disregard and overlook this
Wrong again.
to support your single minded dogmatic form of science.
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
Some sounds fall outside the range of human hearing for example.
No news to me, child. Even you should be able to find
examples of me saying that to others using groups.google.
You seem to think you have omniscience,
Just more of your desperately attempts to bullshit your way out of your predicament.
when you don't even possess a clear view of the reality of the situation
Wrong again if you arent actually lying about that.
and are disregarding what I said
I didnt do that either. I JUST said that you dont actually
have a shred of rigorous scientific evidence that supports
your stupid claim that 'subtle, unnatural, incessant sounds'
can damage your hearing, or even produce ringing
And that there is a wealth of rigorous scientific
evidence that using headphones can and does do that.
and choosing only facts that support your views.
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
Thanks for your opinion Rod,
That isnt an opinion, its a fact, that you dont notice the tinnitus
produced by excessive volume levels with headphones until you
are in a very quiet environment like with your very quiet PC,
until the hearing damage becomes so severe that the only
time you dont notice it any more is in very noisy environments.
but that derrogitory tone
There is no 'derrogitory tone' there.
was really unnecessary.
You get no say what so ever on what is or is not necessary, ever.
I already stated this happens without the headphones,
Pity that you dont realise that that isnt relevant because minor
hearing damage which produces tinnitus will only be noticeable
in very quiet environments like without the headphones.
yet you ignore this fact.
Wrong again. I didnt ignore it at all.
I never claimed to be,
Just as well.
but I suppose you are?
I never ever said that.
It's called observation.
You aint 'observed' a damned thing on that stupid pig
ignorant claim that just because its annoying it "can't
be healthy for your ears, especially if it continues"
A dripping tap can be very annoying but it wont EVER
damage your ears unless you are stupid enough to try
jamming things into your ears so you cant hear it anymore.
I said already, this happens without headphones.
I said already, you only notice minor hearing damage
caused by excessive headphone levels when you arent
using the headphones and are in a very quiet environment
where the tinnitus is audible, or with a proper hearing test.
You keep overlooking that.
Nope.
Well, perhaps the cause isn't the subtle noise or perhaps it is,
I don't think we know enough to state things in black and white.
Corse we do. Tinnitus has been studied for
MANY years now using decent rigorous science.
Sometimes these things are symptoms of larger, hard
to perceive causes such as those eluded to in Paul's post.
Tinnitus isnt. His stuff was just about what
is AUDIBLE, a different matter entirely.
You seem to think you have the authority
to state things in black and white.
Dont need any 'authority', even someone as stupid as you should
be able to use google on tinnitus and hearing damage due to
excessing noise levels, and you wont find even a shred of rigorous
scientific evidence that supports your stupid claim that 'subtle, unnatural,
incessant sounds' can damage your hearing, or even produce ringing
I'm just analyzing the situation without ruling out any ideas outright.
You're lying now. You have clearly ruled out the headphones.
I am open to possibilities
You clearly arent with the headphones.
because I know I don't know all there is to know and I could
be unaware of possibilities like those Paul pointed out.
Yet you proclaim that it cant be the headphones.
You are the one being close minded Rod, sorry to say.
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
J
julian8888888
Unlikely given that I have asked questions at time.
+ Then why the condescending and hateful tone? Does that really help
you make your point?
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
+ I don't take drugs. That's all in your head like most of your
presumptions.
You get no say what so ever on what is or is not necessary, ever.
+ I just had a say.
Not if you havent actually been lying about the actual reality of the
situation.
+ Why would I lie about it? You presume things about me without
reason. You are so quick to judge and condemn me for a trifle. A
witch, a witch, burn the witch!!
I never ever said that.
Or that.
+ No? Then what did you mean by this: "Useless if you aint even got the
remotest concept
of what rigorous science is actually about." Who's the lier here? You
have to lie to cover up your own insecurities and make yourself feel
more powerful and significant. You think that if you lie and do this,
others must do it too. This extends to attacking anyone that makes the
foundation of your beliefs unstable. You're not fooling anyone, and
certainly not me. Not everyone behaves as you do.
No youo havent.
+ I have already thought out and gone that route and found it still
happens without the headphones. You refuse to believe me, so that
remains your presumption and your problem, not mine. When you lie you
just hurt yourself.
I'm open to the problem being the headphones but I've already tested it
out and find it still happens with the headphones out of the picture.
The truth doesn't fit inside your idea of reality, so you have to
attack me personally and call me an idiot and a liar. Look at your own
faults before you look at those of others. Realize we aren't all
perfect and that's not a reason to hate and attempt to hurt others.
I'm just trying to understand better, not out to fool anyone.
More fool you when you dont actually have a shred of rigorous
scientific evidence that supports your stupid claim that subtle,
unnatural, incessant sounds' can damage your hearing, or even
produce ringing and you admit that you do use headphones and
its MUCH more likely that its actually excessive levels with those
that has damaged your hearing if it is actually damaged.
THAT has been established with rigorous science.
+ It's easy to prove that loud sounds damage hearing. It's a much
harder thing to prove that subtle, low volume, or should I say
'difficult to perceive' sounds, cause hearing damage. The cause and
the effect are both poorly misunderstood in the subtle case. We have a
better understanding of the easy to perceive. (Like Paul pointed out,
the sound could actually be much louder and more damaging than it is
perceived as, a symptom or clue to a larger problem). The reason
being; subtle things are harder to examine and pinpoint, and therefore
are much harder to prove. Not everything is written down in books or
proven to be absolute by science. We still have a long way to go and I
doubt everything will be proven or understood fully. You try to
explain infinity with absolutes. You belittle life, nature, and
creation in the process. Science is just one way to perceive
something.
Also, a subtle low volume noise from a machine is much different from
that of a natural source. Some people might have tinnitus and not know
the reason why they got it. Thus, a lot of these cases go unnoticed
and unreported.
More fool you and what you may or may not believe has always
been and always will be completely and utterly irrelevant.
+ That's just your opinion. It's relevant if it changes or helps
someone in a hopefully positive way. You can call life irrelevant, you
can call us irrelevant, but I see it as an opportunity. Why belittle
life in such a way? Try to look on the bright side or you might as
well give up now.
You can try to make people feel small to make yourself feel big but I
can see through your efforts. This feels like a throwback to high
school days. Throw as many punches as you want, but none of them will
land.
Nope, nothing like. Its completey trivial
to prove that candles can burn people.
+ It's an analogy.
You you dont actually have a shred of rigorous scientific evidence
that supports your stupid claim that subtle, unnatural, incessant
sounds' can damage your hearing, or even produce ringing.
+ I have my own experience, that is proof enough for me. If these
cases weren't so hard to pinpoint then you would probably hear about
more. There are probably a lot of such incidents, people just don't
report it, it passes by misunderstood, or it goes unnoticed. You
shouldn't expect an abundance of proof in these cases.
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
+ That is a useless cliche. I'm not trying to fool anyone. It's not
my fault if you misunderstood my intentions.
Nope, all the evidence we need is your desperate attempt to bullshit
your way out of your predicament that fools absolutely no one at all.
+ Not trying to fool anyone, was just looking to get a better
understanding and perhaps some advice about a serious issue for me. I
approached it in a respectful and open manner and you had to act as you
did in a depraved and angst filled way towards me. You're so insecure,
that if someone doesn't believe as you do, you need to attack them to
make yourself feel secure again. Don't take your anger out on other
people, especially those that did not incite it. Anger just leads to
more anger. What's the point? You can try to hurt me all you want,
but it's not going to work. I see through your words and actions as
I'm sure most others do too.
Its quite easy to measure whether hearing has been damaged.
Nope. I do however know that its quite easy to
measure whether hearing has been damaged or not.
Even someone as stupid as you should be able to find quite
a bit on that using google, if someone was actually stupid
enough to lend you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.
Separate matter entirely to whether 'subtle, unnatural,
incessant sounds' is what has produced that.
PARTICULARLY when you admit that you do use headphones
and its been established with rigorous science that excessive
levels can produce ringing in your ears that doesnt go away.
AND when you can get tinnitus without that being due to sound levels
too.
Wrong again.
Tinnitus.
+ Tinnitus is a type of hearing damage. Healthy ears don't ring.
Easy to claim when desperately attempting to
bullshit your way out of your predicament now.
+ You are just a paranoid person thinking I'm lying. Why? What for? I
have to reason to lie. I want to arrive at the truth and lying would
just hinder that.
Not a single fact in sight, JUST that stupid pig ignorant claim that
'subtle,
unnatural, incessant sounds' can produce ringing in your ears, for
which
you dont actually have even a shred of rigorous scientific evidence.
You'll have to pardon us if we decide you have plucked
that stupid pig ignorant claim from your arse instead.
+ No, I arrived at it by excluding the other possibilities that I
tested and saw weren't the cause.
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
You obviously are doing just that.
Even someone as stupid as you should be able to use google
and look up the placebo effect, if someone was actually stupid
enough to lend you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.
+ You presume again that I don't understand the placebo effect. I've
read about it and seen programs about it so I think I have a good
enough understanding of it. If the monitor was a placebo, then the
ringing wouldn't get worse around it, it would just be irritating. You
presume and presume and presume. In addition you don't believe
anything I say so what is the difference? There really is little point
to this I realize. I hope however it might help someone else, perhaps
in a similar situation, to understand, if not you or me.
Nope, anyone with a clue realises that given the placebo effect
and the fact that you admit you use headphones, that before you
make a stupid pig ignorant claim that 'subtle, unnatural, incessant
sounds' are damaging your hearing, when you dont have even
a shred of rigorous scientific evidence to support that claim,
would do what is done to eliminate the placebo effect, try
a proper double blind trial to test that particular claim.
He didnt post anything that said anything about HEARING DAMAGE.
+ Cause and effect. The sound is the cause and by understanding it you
understand the effect better.
Nope, I am well aware of beat effect thanks.
AND I realise that beat effect are ALWAYS at a lower
amplitude than the frequencys that are producing that too.
+ There you go attaching your absolutism to every problem you
encounter. You think after reading an article on it you've become an
expert and authority on the topic and anyone who produces something
outside of your understanding must be lying, stupid, or both.
Wrong again.
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
No news to me, child. Even you should be able to find
examples of me saying that to others using groups.google.
+ Why do call me a child? I'm not a child, and anyway, what is wrong
with being a child? Do you belittle children and speak to them as if
they're idiots as well? Do they deserve to be treated as such? You
are just filling them with your own angst. Stop the cycle with
yourself.
Just more of your desperately attempts to bullshit your way out of your
predicament.
Wrong again if you arent actually lying about that.
+ Your beliefs are based on presumptions about me.
I didnt do that either. I JUST said that you dont actually
have a shred of rigorous scientific evidence that supports
your stupid claim that 'subtle, unnatural, incessant sounds'
can damage your hearing, or even produce ringing
And that there is a wealth of rigorous scientific
evidence that using headphones can and does do that.
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
That isnt an opinion, its a fact, that you dont notice the tinnitus
produced by excessive volume levels with headphones until you
are in a very quiet environment like with your very quiet PC,
until the hearing damage becomes so severe that the only
time you dont notice it any more is in very noisy environments.
+ Well, I don't get tinnitus from laying in bed in a quiet atmosphere
or when away from the computer. It only comes back when I'm in front
of the computer for a long duration with or without the headphones. I
also don't listen at high volume levels when I use the headphones. It
could be both, the computer and the headphones, but in my experience
the computer is more offensive and damaging. The computer consistently
proves to be a problem, while the headphones are inconsistent and only
when used in conjunction with the computer. But, you will disregard
the computer/monitor theory right away and not give it a chance.
That's not a very rigorous and scientific approach Rod. I thought
that's what you were telling me I lacked? You're trying to find your
own faults in others.
There is no 'derrogitory tone' there.
+ If calling someone a fool, calling them stupid, and telling them
they're worthless isn't derogatory then what is? You forget your lies
so quickly and readily in order to bolster your argument or lack of
one.
You get no say what so ever on what is or is not necessary, ever.
Pity that you dont realise that that isnt relevant because minor
hearing damage which produces tinnitus will only be noticeable
in very quiet environments like without the headphones.
+ Yes, I understand that. I told you that it gets worse 'without' the
headphones. I can sit in front of the computer without headphones and
the ringing will get worse. I can take a break and let it heal, and
the problem will return 'without' the headphones. I haven't worn the
headphones for the last few days and the problem is still here and
getting worse, so I'm sorry I'll have to cut this delightful
conversation short after this and take a long break. lol
Wrong again. I didnt ignore it at all.
Just as well.
I never ever said that.
You aint 'observed' a damned thing on that stupid pig
ignorant claim that just because its annoying it "can't
be healthy for your ears, especially if it continues"
A dripping tap can be very annoying but it wont EVER
damage your ears unless you are stupid enough to try
jamming things into your ears so you cant hear it anymore.
+ A dripping tap is a natural sound that our ears have evolved to live
with. The sounds emitted by a computer monitor are unnatural and
possibly harmful. I don't think the sounds emitted are so fully
understood to call it 'safe'. You need time to determine these things
and when new products are released, they haven't gone through this
testing process. There is a big difference between a subtle natural
sound and a subtle unnatural sound. We are introducing sounds that our
ears are not meant to withstand, especially for long periods of time.
Natural sounds are also not repetitive and incessant as the sounds made
by machines. Read the post by Paul and connect it with this
conversation, it's very interesting and informative.
I said already, you only notice minor hearing damage
caused by excessive headphone levels when you arent
using the headphones and are in a very quiet environment
where the tinnitus is audible, or with a proper hearing test.
+ You keep stating the obvious to me as if I'm an idiot and have
overlooked the obvious or can't see the obvious. And if I was an
idiot, why do you need to talk to me in such a way? Are you so perfect
and without error to give you the right to treat people as such? And
if you were, would you treat people as such?
How do you explain the problem becoming worse without the headphones ?
Without the cause the effect should diminish or remain constant. Why
does the tinnitus go away and only come back around the computer?
During the time I'm around the computer I can feel it getting worse.
In contrast, during the time I'm using the headphones without the
computer in the picture I feel no such effect (for example listening to
music at night). Why doesn't it come back with the headphones without
the computer? Why would the damage from the headphones appear most
obvious, and get worse, when in front of the computer yet disappear or
diminish away from it?
My conclusion is that the monitor is the primary, and the headphones
contribute or make the problem worse. I am open to the contrary, but
I've already tested it out. You dismiss the monitor as being a cause
completely despite the evidence on the contrary. I seriously doubt
however that you care, and just see this as another chance to inflate
your ego even more.
Corse we do. Tinnitus has been studied for
MANY years now using decent rigorous science.
Tinnitus isnt. His stuff was just about what
is AUDIBLE, a different matter entirely.
+ Cause and effect. The sound is the cause, the tinnitus is the
effect. You need the cause for the effect. If you understand the
cause you better understand the effect. If you dismiss one thing, that
one thing may be the clue that leads to better understanding, and you
have just passed it by.
Dont need any 'authority', even someone as stupid as you should
be able to use google on tinnitus and hearing damage due to
excessing noise levels, and you wont find even a shred of rigorous
scientific evidence that supports your stupid claim that 'subtle,
unnatural,
incessant sounds' can damage your hearing, or even produce ringing
+ There you go again with your condescension and derogatory remarks
that you claim you don't make. What's the point? Do you think it
helps anything besides bloating your infested ego? If and when it pops
you'll be the one hurting and confused not me.
You're lying now. You have clearly ruled out the headphones.
You clearly arent with the headphones.
+ I've told you about how I tested, so if you don't believe what I said
than what can I say to change it?... nothing you will believe.
Well, take care Rod. No hard feelings, hopefully we better understand
each other now. I don't expect to come here very often in the future
so my lies won't do me any good. I have nothing to support with the
lies. What a waste of all those good lies. lol
Thanks everyone for your sincere help though, and even you Rod, though
you had to try to pull me down and spit on me in the process.
+ Then why the condescending and hateful tone? Does that really help
you make your point?
Why with this overbearing condescending attitude Rod?
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
+ I don't take drugs. That's all in your head like most of your
presumptions.
It's really unnecessary.
You get no say what so ever on what is or is not necessary, ever.
+ I just had a say.
You are thinking inside the box
Nope.
and from a position of ignorance of the actual reality of the situation.
Not if you havent actually been lying about the actual reality of the
situation.
+ Why would I lie about it? You presume things about me without
reason. You are so quick to judge and condemn me for a trifle. A
witch, a witch, burn the witch!!
You presume that I can't think scientifically
I never ever said that.
and I have overlooked your viewpoint,
Or that.
+ No? Then what did you mean by this: "Useless if you aint even got the
remotest concept
of what rigorous science is actually about." Who's the lier here? You
have to lie to cover up your own insecurities and make yourself feel
more powerful and significant. You think that if you lie and do this,
others must do it too. This extends to attacking anyone that makes the
foundation of your beliefs unstable. You're not fooling anyone, and
certainly not me. Not everyone behaves as you do.
when in fact I've already looked at things from where you are viewing
No youo havent.
+ I have already thought out and gone that route and found it still
happens without the headphones. You refuse to believe me, so that
remains your presumption and your problem, not mine. When you lie you
just hurt yourself.
I'm open to the problem being the headphones but I've already tested it
out and find it still happens with the headphones out of the picture.
The truth doesn't fit inside your idea of reality, so you have to
attack me personally and call me an idiot and a liar. Look at your own
faults before you look at those of others. Realize we aren't all
perfect and that's not a reason to hate and attempt to hurt others.
I'm just trying to understand better, not out to fool anyone.
and have decided that even though the monitor
doesn't "seem" like a cause, it could b
More fool you when you dont actually have a shred of rigorous
scientific evidence that supports your stupid claim that subtle,
unnatural, incessant sounds' can damage your hearing, or even
produce ringing and you admit that you do use headphones and
its MUCH more likely that its actually excessive levels with those
that has damaged your hearing if it is actually damaged.
THAT has been established with rigorous science.
+ It's easy to prove that loud sounds damage hearing. It's a much
harder thing to prove that subtle, low volume, or should I say
'difficult to perceive' sounds, cause hearing damage. The cause and
the effect are both poorly misunderstood in the subtle case. We have a
better understanding of the easy to perceive. (Like Paul pointed out,
the sound could actually be much louder and more damaging than it is
perceived as, a symptom or clue to a larger problem). The reason
being; subtle things are harder to examine and pinpoint, and therefore
are much harder to prove. Not everything is written down in books or
proven to be absolute by science. We still have a long way to go and I
doubt everything will be proven or understood fully. You try to
explain infinity with absolutes. You belittle life, nature, and
creation in the process. Science is just one way to perceive
something.
Also, a subtle low volume noise from a machine is much different from
that of a natural source. Some people might have tinnitus and not know
the reason why they got it. Thus, a lot of these cases go unnoticed
and unreported.
and my experience, and my bodies reaction
to the situation leads me to believe it is.
More fool you and what you may or may not believe has always
been and always will be completely and utterly irrelevant.
+ That's just your opinion. It's relevant if it changes or helps
someone in a hopefully positive way. You can call life irrelevant, you
can call us irrelevant, but I see it as an opportunity. Why belittle
life in such a way? Try to look on the bright side or you might as
well give up now.
You can try to make people feel small to make yourself feel big but I
can see through your efforts. This feels like a throwback to high
school days. Throw as many punches as you want, but none of them will
land.
You're saying the equivalent of "only a roaring blaze
can burn you and that candles don't burn people."
Nope, nothing like. Its completey trivial
to prove that candles can burn people.
+ It's an analogy.
You you dont actually have a shred of rigorous scientific evidence
that supports your stupid claim that subtle, unnatural, incessant
sounds' can damage your hearing, or even produce ringing.
+ I have my own experience, that is proof enough for me. If these
cases weren't so hard to pinpoint then you would probably hear about
more. There are probably a lot of such incidents, people just don't
report it, it passes by misunderstood, or it goes unnoticed. You
shouldn't expect an abundance of proof in these cases.
It's like you're telling someone that burned their hand on
a candle that they actually didn't burn their hand on the
candle, they burned it on a blaze that doesn't exist.
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
+ That is a useless cliche. I'm not trying to fool anyone. It's not
my fault if you misunderstood my intentions.
presuming again.
Nope, all the evidence we need is your desperate attempt to bullshit
your way out of your predicament that fools absolutely no one at all.
+ Not trying to fool anyone, was just looking to get a better
understanding and perhaps some advice about a serious issue for me. I
approached it in a respectful and open manner and you had to act as you
did in a depraved and angst filled way towards me. You're so insecure,
that if someone doesn't believe as you do, you need to attack them to
make yourself feel secure again. Don't take your anger out on other
people, especially those that did not incite it. Anger just leads to
more anger. What's the point? You can try to hurt me all you want,
but it's not going to work. I see through your words and actions as
I'm sure most others do too.
I see, so you think humans have figured out everything there is to
know about the ear and how it can perceive and be damaged etc.
Its quite easy to measure whether hearing has been damaged.
And you are the foremost authority and expert
that everyone should listen to on all matters?
Nope. I do however know that its quite easy to
measure whether hearing has been damaged or not.
Even someone as stupid as you should be able to find quite
a bit on that using google, if someone was actually stupid
enough to lend you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.
I've said that I have a ringing in the ears that is not going away.
Separate matter entirely to whether 'subtle, unnatural,
incessant sounds' is what has produced that.
PARTICULARLY when you admit that you do use headphones
and its been established with rigorous science that excessive
levels can produce ringing in your ears that doesnt go away.
AND when you can get tinnitus without that being due to sound levels
too.
This is hearing damage,
Wrong again.
what else would you call it?
Tinnitus.
+ Tinnitus is a type of hearing damage. Healthy ears don't ring.
I said the ringing problem only happens in this room
with this monitor and not with the same headphones
when I use it in other situations in other rooms.
Easy to claim when desperately attempting to
bullshit your way out of your predicament now.
+ You are just a paranoid person thinking I'm lying. Why? What for? I
have to reason to lie. I want to arrive at the truth and lying would
just hinder that.
You disregard the facts that don't support your rigid doctrine.
Not a single fact in sight, JUST that stupid pig ignorant claim that
'subtle,
unnatural, incessant sounds' can produce ringing in your ears, for
which
you dont actually have even a shred of rigorous scientific evidence.
You'll have to pardon us if we decide you have plucked
that stupid pig ignorant claim from your arse instead.
+ No, I arrived at it by excluding the other possibilities that I
tested and saw weren't the cause.
Yes, it's mindlessly silly to actually set up a test situation to
see if the monitor is the cause. It's also silly to want to avoid
unnecessary noise from the other components. How silly of me.
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
I'm not claiming anything,
You obviously are doing just that.
I'm just stating what I'm feeling.
Even someone as stupid as you should be able to use google
and look up the placebo effect, if someone was actually stupid
enough to lend you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.
+ You presume again that I don't understand the placebo effect. I've
read about it and seen programs about it so I think I have a good
enough understanding of it. If the monitor was a placebo, then the
ringing wouldn't get worse around it, it would just be irritating. You
presume and presume and presume. In addition you don't believe
anything I say so what is the difference? There really is little point
to this I realize. I hope however it might help someone else, perhaps
in a similar situation, to understand, if not you or me.
You want me to ignore what my body is telling me and just
blindly follow scientific explanations and limited knowledge?
Nope, anyone with a clue realises that given the placebo effect
and the fact that you admit you use headphones, that before you
make a stupid pig ignorant claim that 'subtle, unnatural, incessant
sounds' are damaging your hearing, when you dont have even
a shred of rigorous scientific evidence to support that claim,
would do what is done to eliminate the placebo effect, try
a proper double blind trial to test that particular claim.
Well, if you read what Paul posted you
can see there is more than meets the eye.
He didnt post anything that said anything about HEARING DAMAGE.
+ Cause and effect. The sound is the cause and by understanding it you
understand the effect better.
There is phenomena that falls outside of our limited understanding.
Nope, I am well aware of beat effect thanks.
AND I realise that beat effect are ALWAYS at a lower
amplitude than the frequencys that are producing that too.
+ There you go attaching your absolutism to every problem you
encounter. You think after reading an article on it you've become an
expert and authority on the topic and anyone who produces something
outside of your understanding must be lying, stupid, or both.
You disregard and overlook this
Wrong again.
to support your single minded dogmatic form of science.
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
Some sounds fall outside the range of human hearing for example.
No news to me, child. Even you should be able to find
examples of me saying that to others using groups.google.
+ Why do call me a child? I'm not a child, and anyway, what is wrong
with being a child? Do you belittle children and speak to them as if
they're idiots as well? Do they deserve to be treated as such? You
are just filling them with your own angst. Stop the cycle with
yourself.
You seem to think you have omniscience,
Just more of your desperately attempts to bullshit your way out of your
predicament.
when you don't even possess a clear view of the reality of the situation
Wrong again if you arent actually lying about that.
+ Your beliefs are based on presumptions about me.
and are disregarding what I said
I didnt do that either. I JUST said that you dont actually
have a shred of rigorous scientific evidence that supports
your stupid claim that 'subtle, unnatural, incessant sounds'
can damage your hearing, or even produce ringing
And that there is a wealth of rigorous scientific
evidence that using headphones can and does do that.
and choosing only facts that support your views.
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
Thanks for your opinion Rod,
That isnt an opinion, its a fact, that you dont notice the tinnitus
produced by excessive volume levels with headphones until you
are in a very quiet environment like with your very quiet PC,
until the hearing damage becomes so severe that the only
time you dont notice it any more is in very noisy environments.
+ Well, I don't get tinnitus from laying in bed in a quiet atmosphere
or when away from the computer. It only comes back when I'm in front
of the computer for a long duration with or without the headphones. I
also don't listen at high volume levels when I use the headphones. It
could be both, the computer and the headphones, but in my experience
the computer is more offensive and damaging. The computer consistently
proves to be a problem, while the headphones are inconsistent and only
when used in conjunction with the computer. But, you will disregard
the computer/monitor theory right away and not give it a chance.
That's not a very rigorous and scientific approach Rod. I thought
that's what you were telling me I lacked? You're trying to find your
own faults in others.
but that derrogitory tone
There is no 'derrogitory tone' there.
+ If calling someone a fool, calling them stupid, and telling them
they're worthless isn't derogatory then what is? You forget your lies
so quickly and readily in order to bolster your argument or lack of
one.
was really unnecessary.
You get no say what so ever on what is or is not necessary, ever.
I already stated this happens without the headphones,
Pity that you dont realise that that isnt relevant because minor
hearing damage which produces tinnitus will only be noticeable
in very quiet environments like without the headphones.
+ Yes, I understand that. I told you that it gets worse 'without' the
headphones. I can sit in front of the computer without headphones and
the ringing will get worse. I can take a break and let it heal, and
the problem will return 'without' the headphones. I haven't worn the
headphones for the last few days and the problem is still here and
getting worse, so I'm sorry I'll have to cut this delightful
conversation short after this and take a long break. lol
yet you ignore this fact.
Wrong again. I didnt ignore it at all.
I never claimed to be,
Just as well.
but I suppose you are?
I never ever said that.
It's called observation.
You aint 'observed' a damned thing on that stupid pig
ignorant claim that just because its annoying it "can't
be healthy for your ears, especially if it continues"
A dripping tap can be very annoying but it wont EVER
damage your ears unless you are stupid enough to try
jamming things into your ears so you cant hear it anymore.
+ A dripping tap is a natural sound that our ears have evolved to live
with. The sounds emitted by a computer monitor are unnatural and
possibly harmful. I don't think the sounds emitted are so fully
understood to call it 'safe'. You need time to determine these things
and when new products are released, they haven't gone through this
testing process. There is a big difference between a subtle natural
sound and a subtle unnatural sound. We are introducing sounds that our
ears are not meant to withstand, especially for long periods of time.
Natural sounds are also not repetitive and incessant as the sounds made
by machines. Read the post by Paul and connect it with this
conversation, it's very interesting and informative.
I said already, this happens without headphones.
I said already, you only notice minor hearing damage
caused by excessive headphone levels when you arent
using the headphones and are in a very quiet environment
where the tinnitus is audible, or with a proper hearing test.
+ You keep stating the obvious to me as if I'm an idiot and have
overlooked the obvious or can't see the obvious. And if I was an
idiot, why do you need to talk to me in such a way? Are you so perfect
and without error to give you the right to treat people as such? And
if you were, would you treat people as such?
How do you explain the problem becoming worse without the headphones ?
Without the cause the effect should diminish or remain constant. Why
does the tinnitus go away and only come back around the computer?
During the time I'm around the computer I can feel it getting worse.
In contrast, during the time I'm using the headphones without the
computer in the picture I feel no such effect (for example listening to
music at night). Why doesn't it come back with the headphones without
the computer? Why would the damage from the headphones appear most
obvious, and get worse, when in front of the computer yet disappear or
diminish away from it?
My conclusion is that the monitor is the primary, and the headphones
contribute or make the problem worse. I am open to the contrary, but
I've already tested it out. You dismiss the monitor as being a cause
completely despite the evidence on the contrary. I seriously doubt
however that you care, and just see this as another chance to inflate
your ego even more.
You keep overlooking that.
Nope.
Well, perhaps the cause isn't the subtle noise or perhaps it is,
I don't think we know enough to state things in black and white.
Corse we do. Tinnitus has been studied for
MANY years now using decent rigorous science.
Sometimes these things are symptoms of larger, hard
to perceive causes such as those eluded to in Paul's post.
Tinnitus isnt. His stuff was just about what
is AUDIBLE, a different matter entirely.
+ Cause and effect. The sound is the cause, the tinnitus is the
effect. You need the cause for the effect. If you understand the
cause you better understand the effect. If you dismiss one thing, that
one thing may be the clue that leads to better understanding, and you
have just passed it by.
You seem to think you have the authority
to state things in black and white.
Dont need any 'authority', even someone as stupid as you should
be able to use google on tinnitus and hearing damage due to
excessing noise levels, and you wont find even a shred of rigorous
scientific evidence that supports your stupid claim that 'subtle,
unnatural,
incessant sounds' can damage your hearing, or even produce ringing
+ There you go again with your condescension and derogatory remarks
that you claim you don't make. What's the point? Do you think it
helps anything besides bloating your infested ego? If and when it pops
you'll be the one hurting and confused not me.
I'm just analyzing the situation without ruling out any ideas outright.
You're lying now. You have clearly ruled out the headphones.
I am open to possibilities
You clearly arent with the headphones.
+ I've told you about how I tested, so if you don't believe what I said
than what can I say to change it?... nothing you will believe.
Well, take care Rod. No hard feelings, hopefully we better understand
each other now. I don't expect to come here very often in the future
so my lies won't do me any good. I have nothing to support with the
lies. What a waste of all those good lies. lol
Thanks everyone for your sincere help though, and even you Rod, though
you had to try to pull me down and spit on me in the process.
J
JAD
all that about a medical problem that your trying to fix with a computer and
a LCD, by putting the tower in another room and buying a LCD based on the
noise it doesn't make. utter nonsence. I am sorry that you experience this.
i have no idea what it must be like, however your approach at 'fixing' it is
......well...misguided.
a LCD, by putting the tower in another room and buying a LCD based on the
noise it doesn't make. utter nonsence. I am sorry that you experience this.
i have no idea what it must be like, however your approach at 'fixing' it is
......well...misguided.
R
Rod Speed
(e-mail address removed) wrote
Just another of your silly little fantasys.
Irrelevant. You get no say what so ever on how others post. Ever.
Bet that's a lie, bet you do take some legal drugs.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
No you didnt. Your demands are completely irrelevant, just like you are.
Didnt say you did. There is an *IF* there for a reason.
Pity I didnt 'presume' a damned thing there.
Having fun thrashing that straw man are you child ?
Didnt even mention burning anyone, child.
There ANOTHER *IF* there, child.
Wouldnt know what a lier was if it bit my on my arse, child.
I havent lied at all, child.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
I just put the boot into pathetic little pig ignorant prats like you who
desperately attempt to bullshit their way out of their predicament
when their nose has been rubbed in the FACT that you cant get
hearing damage from 'subtle, unnatural, incessant sounds'
Any 2 year old could leave that for dead, child.
You quite sure you aint one of those rocket scientist children ?
Pity that you dont actually have enough viable between your ears
to be able to grasp that once you have damaged your hearing
using too high a volume level in headphones, THAT THAT RINGING
IN THE EARS THAT RESULTS IS MOST NOTICEABLE IN A
VERY QUIET ENVIRONMENT WITHOUT THE HEADPHONES.
Yep, because I actually know that your stupid pig ignorant
claim that that 'subtle, unnatural, incessant sounds' can
damage your hearing, or even produce ringing is just that,
a stupid pig ignorant claim that hasnt got a shred or
rigorous scientific evidence to substantiate it.
Claim what you like, child, it fools absolutely no one at all that knows
a damned thing about what actually produces hearing damage.
Nope, its what has been established with rigorous science over CENTURYS now.
I couldnt care less if you end up completely deaf, child. Thats YOUR problem, not mine.
And when you replace the LCD monitor with another, you will find
that you STILL get tinnitus that you notice in a very quiet environment.
Pity I havent lied.
Because you dont actually have a clue about what happens when you
have damaged your hearing with too high levels with headphones.
THE RINGING IN YOUR EARS IS MOST NOTICEABLE IN A VERY QUIET
ENVIRONMENT WHEN YOU ARENT USING THE HEADPHONES ANYMORE.
YOU CANT HEAR IT WHEN USING THE HEADPHONES BECAUSE THE EXCESSIVE
SOUND LEVEL IN THE HEADPHONES MASKS THE RINGING IN YOUR EARS.
Its what been established using rigoros science, child.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
Go and **** yourself.
Never ever claimed we are.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
Pity about the ear to ear dog shit that prevents you from even doing the
most basic research on what can produce hearing damage using google.
Then it is extremely stupid to claim that that can happen when you dont
actually have a shred of rigorous scientific evidence to support that claim.
Pig ignorant waffle and proof that you dont have a
****ing clue about what rigorous science is actually about.
Pig ignorant waffle and proof that you dont have a
****ing clue about what rigorous science is actually about.
He never ever said anything even remotely resembling anything like that.
Or that.
He JUST pointed out that even when the known frequencys
produces are well outside the human hearing range, you can
get beat frequencys that are within the human hearing range.
Wrong again. Its completely trivial to examine and pinpoint
how what shouldnt be audible due to the frequencys
involved become audible due to beat frequencys.
The basics on what produces hearing damage certainly is.
Not a shred of rocket science required whatever.
Not with what produces hearing damage we dont.
More fool you. And thats what the stupid quacks claim anyway.
Nope, no 'infinity' is even being discussed, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
Its the only way to quantify stuff like hearing damage, ****wit child.
Must be one of those rocket scientist ****wit children.
Yes, some dont have a clue about what noise levels can produce
hearing damage. Most obviously with headphones and music levels.
Completely trivial to prove stuff like that using decent rigorous science anyway.
Wrong again, hardly anyone except the brain dead dont notice it when it happens.
Nope, thats a fact.
I said YOU are completely irrelevant. What you may or may not BELIEVE in spades.
Just how many of you are there between those ears ?
To late now that you have ****ed your hearing.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
The jabs have clearly landed.
Its pure bullshit, as always from you.
Doesnt qualify.
Hordes of fools make the same stupid claim about
snake oil and sacrificing their kids to make it rain etc.
Hordes of fools make the same stupid claim about
snake oil and sacrificing their kids to make it rain etc.
It isnt even a cliche.
Just as well, you're so hopeless at it.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
Nope, you've just proved that in spades above.
Just as well, you're so hopeless at it.
Pity that you dont have enough viable between your ears for that.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
Having fun thrashing that straw man are you child ?
It isnt JUST a type of hearing damage.
Wrong again. You can get tinnitus with some medication.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
Presumably you're actually that stupid.
Pathetic, really.
No you didnt. You likely do believe that, but that doesnt mean that belief is correct.
Wrong, as always.
You clearly dont when you claim above that you have eliminated
other possibilitys than that stupid pig ignorant claim that 'subtle,
unnatural, incessant sounds' can damage your hearing.
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you wouldnt
know what the placebo effect was if it bit you on your lard arse.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
Lying, as always.
Fat chance when you wouldnt know what rigorous
science was if it bit you on your lard arse.
You're so stupid that you cant even manage to do the most
basic research and discover what can cause ringing in your
ears and that it isnt JUST the result of hearing damage.
Mindless waffle.
Nothing to do with anything Paul posted which was ACTUALLY
about how you can get audible beat frequencys from frequencys
that are well outside the human hearing range.
There you go lying about what I am doing.
Lying, as always.
Because you are behaving like one, child.
Corse you are.
Never ever said there was, child.
Nope, I reserve that for pathetic excuses for bullshit artists like you.
Having fun thrashing that straw man are you child ?
Having fun thrashing that straw man are you child ?
Go and **** yourself.
Not a single presumption, child.
You havent established that it isnt just a psychological problem.
The only viable way to prove that is with a proper double blind trial.
Guess, which pathetic little prat has just got egg all over its silly little face, yet again ?
Having fun thrashing that straw man are you child ?
Having fun thrashing that straw man are you child ?
The word THERE was there for a reason, child.
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
NOW you do.
Then its most likely a psychological/physiological effect
where the tinnitus you produced when you damaged your
hearing using the headphones previously varys significantly
as it normally does, or the tinnitus is due to other causes.
Until you actually do a proper double blind trial, which
by definition it isnt possible for you to do yourself, you
dont actually have a shred of evidence that the LCD
monitor is actually producing the tinnitus, let alone
that its actually DAMAGED YOUR HEARING.
Wrong again. Its just as unnatural as a computer, was
invented earlier, and there has been no evolution what
so ever in humans since indoor plumbing was invented.
So is the dripping tap.
Nope, we know what damages hearing and have known that for centurys now.
You dont need to understand them to test whether they damage hearing.
Nope, not when we dont have a shred of evidence that 'subtle,
unnatural, incessant sounds' can damage your hearing.
Not as far as hearing damage is concerned.
There is no 'no meant to' involved.
Plenty of them are.
Irrelevant to what can produce HEARING DAMAGE.
Doesnt say a damned thing about what is being discussed HEARING DAMAGE.
Because that is precisely what you are.
And that is precisely your problem. You're so stupid that you
cant even manage the basics on what can produce tinnitus
and are so stupid that you cant even manage to look that up.
Because the message does eventually get thru with some
boneheads that are determined to ignore the basics for a while.
Dont need to be perfect or without error to deal with stupids, stupid.
Tinnitus varys a lot with all sorts of detail. Regardless
of what has produced the tinnitus in the first place.
Could be for a number of reasons, how you sit in front
of the computer, even a purely psychological effect.
Tinnitus is absolutely notorious for how variable it can be.
That happens with the placebo effect too.
See above on the placebo effect.
See above on the placebo effect.
You aint qualified to reach any conclusion.
The ONLY way to eliminate the placebo effect and
other possibilitys is a proper double blind trial.
No you didnt. You havent even done the only test that matters.
You dont have a shred of evidence what so ever.
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
Mindless waffle.
More mindless waffle.
More mindless waffle.
You havent even proven that the is any effect of HEARING DAMAGE.
AND you havent proven what causes the tinnitus either.
More mindless waffle.
The word THERE was included for a reason, ****wit.
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
No you didnt until now.
You have always been and always will be, completely and utterly irrelevant.
What you may or may not say in spades. You're just some silly little pig
ignorant fool that cant even manage the most basic reseach on what
tinnitus is about, let alone what has been established using rigorous science.
It was always obvious what a fool you are.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys.
Rod Speed wrote
Then why the condescending and hateful tone?
Just another of your silly little fantasys.
Does that really help you make your point?
Irrelevant. You get no say what so ever on how others post. Ever.
I don't take drugs.
Bet that's a lie, bet you do take some legal drugs.
That's all in your head like most of your presumptions.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
I just had a say.
No you didnt. Your demands are completely irrelevant, just like you are.
Why would I lie about it?
Didnt say you did. There is an *IF* there for a reason.
You presume things about me without reason.
Pity I didnt 'presume' a damned thing there.
You are so quick to judge and condemn me for a trifle.
Having fun thrashing that straw man are you child ?
A witch, a witch, burn the witch!!
Didnt even mention burning anyone, child.
Nope.
Then what did you mean by this: "Useless if you aint even got
the remotest concept of what rigorous science is actually about."
There ANOTHER *IF* there, child.
Who's the lier here?
Wouldnt know what a lier was if it bit my on my arse, child.
You have to lie
I havent lied at all, child.
to cover up your own insecurities and make
yourself feel more powerful and significant.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
You think that if you lie and do this, others must do it too.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
This extends to attacking anyone that makes
the foundation of your beliefs unstable.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
I just put the boot into pathetic little pig ignorant prats like you who
desperately attempt to bullshit their way out of their predicament
when their nose has been rubbed in the FACT that you cant get
hearing damage from 'subtle, unnatural, incessant sounds'
You're not fooling anyone, and certainly not me.
Any 2 year old could leave that for dead, child.
Not everyone behaves as you do.
You quite sure you aint one of those rocket scientist children ?
No you havent.
I have already thought out and gone that route
and found it still happens without the headphones.
Pity that you dont actually have enough viable between your ears
to be able to grasp that once you have damaged your hearing
using too high a volume level in headphones, THAT THAT RINGING
IN THE EARS THAT RESULTS IS MOST NOTICEABLE IN A
VERY QUIET ENVIRONMENT WITHOUT THE HEADPHONES.
You refuse to believe me,
Yep, because I actually know that your stupid pig ignorant
claim that that 'subtle, unnatural, incessant sounds' can
damage your hearing, or even produce ringing is just that,
a stupid pig ignorant claim that hasnt got a shred or
rigorous scientific evidence to substantiate it.
Claim what you like, child, it fools absolutely no one at all that knows
a damned thing about what actually produces hearing damage.
so that remains your presumption
Nope, its what has been established with rigorous science over CENTURYS now.
and your problem, not mine.
I couldnt care less if you end up completely deaf, child. Thats YOUR problem, not mine.
And when you replace the LCD monitor with another, you will find
that you STILL get tinnitus that you notice in a very quiet environment.
When you lie you just hurt yourself.
Pity I havent lied.
I'm open to the problem being the headphones but I've already tested
it out and find it still happens with the headphones out of the picture.
Because you dont actually have a clue about what happens when you
have damaged your hearing with too high levels with headphones.
THE RINGING IN YOUR EARS IS MOST NOTICEABLE IN A VERY QUIET
ENVIRONMENT WHEN YOU ARENT USING THE HEADPHONES ANYMORE.
YOU CANT HEAR IT WHEN USING THE HEADPHONES BECAUSE THE EXCESSIVE
SOUND LEVEL IN THE HEADPHONES MASKS THE RINGING IN YOUR EARS.
The truth doesn't fit inside your idea of reality,
Its what been established using rigoros science, child.
so you have to attack me personally and call me an idiot and a liar.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
Look at your own faults before you look at those of others.
Go and **** yourself.
Realize we aren't all perfect
Never ever claimed we are.
and that's not a reason to hate and attempt to hurt others.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
I'm just trying to understand better, not out to fool anyone.
Pity about the ear to ear dog shit that prevents you from even doing the
most basic research on what can produce hearing damage using google.
It's easy to prove that loud sounds damage hearing.
Duh.
It's a much harder thing to prove that subtle, low volume, or should
I say 'difficult to perceive' sounds, cause hearing damage.
Then it is extremely stupid to claim that that can happen when you dont
actually have a shred of rigorous scientific evidence to support that claim.
The cause and the effect are both poorly misunderstood in the subtle case.
Pig ignorant waffle and proof that you dont have a
****ing clue about what rigorous science is actually about.
We have a better understanding of the easy to perceive.
Pig ignorant waffle and proof that you dont have a
****ing clue about what rigorous science is actually about.
(Like Paul pointed out, the sound could actually be much
louder and more damaging than it is perceived as,
He never ever said anything even remotely resembling anything like that.
a symptom or clue to a larger problem).
Or that.
He JUST pointed out that even when the known frequencys
produces are well outside the human hearing range, you can
get beat frequencys that are within the human hearing range.
The reason being; subtle things are harder to examine
and pinpoint, and therefore are much harder to prove.
Wrong again. Its completely trivial to examine and pinpoint
how what shouldnt be audible due to the frequencys
involved become audible due to beat frequencys.
Not everything is written down in books
or proven to be absolute by science.
The basics on what produces hearing damage certainly is.
Not a shred of rocket science required whatever.
We still have a long way to go
Not with what produces hearing damage we dont.
and I doubt everything will be proven or understood fully.
More fool you. And thats what the stupid quacks claim anyway.
You try to explain infinity with absolutes.
Nope, no 'infinity' is even being discussed, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.
You belittle life, nature, and creation in the process.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
Science is just one way to perceive something.
Its the only way to quantify stuff like hearing damage, ****wit child.
Also, a subtle low volume noise from a machine
is much different from that of a natural source.
Must be one of those rocket scientist ****wit children.
Some people might have tinnitus and
not know the reason why they got it.
Yes, some dont have a clue about what noise levels can produce
hearing damage. Most obviously with headphones and music levels.
Completely trivial to prove stuff like that using decent rigorous science anyway.
Thus, a lot of these cases go unnoticed and unreported.
Wrong again, hardly anyone except the brain dead dont notice it when it happens.
That's just your opinion.
Nope, thats a fact.
It's relevant if it changes or helps someone in a hopefully positive way.
I said YOU are completely irrelevant. What you may or may not BELIEVE in spades.
You can call life irrelevant, you can call us irrelevant,
Just how many of you are there between those ears ?
but I see it as an opportunity.
To late now that you have ****ed your hearing.
Why belittle life in such a way?
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
Try to look on the bright side or you might as well give up now.
You can try to make people feel small to make yourself feel big but I can
see through your efforts. This feels like a throwback to high school days.
Throw as many punches as you want, but none of them will land.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
The jabs have clearly landed.
Its pure bullshit, as always from you.
I have my own experience,
Doesnt qualify.
that is proof enough for me.
Hordes of fools make the same stupid claim about
snake oil and sacrificing their kids to make it rain etc.
If these cases weren't so hard to pinpoint then you would probably
hear about more. There are probably a lot of such incidents, people
just don't report it, it passes by misunderstood, or it goes unnoticed.
You shouldn't expect an abundance of proof in these cases.
Hordes of fools make the same stupid claim about
snake oil and sacrificing their kids to make it rain etc.
That is a useless cliche.
It isnt even a cliche.
I'm not trying to fool anyone.
Just as well, you're so hopeless at it.
It's not my fault if you misunderstood my intentions.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
Nope, you've just proved that in spades above.
Not trying to fool anyone,
Just as well, you're so hopeless at it.
was just looking to get a better understanding and
perhaps some advice about a serious issue for me.
Pity that you dont have enough viable between your ears for that.
I approached it in a respectful
Liar.
and open manner and you had to act as you did
in a depraved and angst filled way towards me.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
You're so insecure, that if someone doesn't believe as you do,
you need to attack them to make yourself feel secure again.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
Don't take your anger out on other people,
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
especially those that did not incite it.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
Anger just leads to more anger. What's the point? You can
try to hurt me all you want, but it's not going to work. I see
through your words and actions as I'm sure most others do too.
Having fun thrashing that straw man are you child ?
Tinnitus is a type of hearing damage.
It isnt JUST a type of hearing damage.
Healthy ears don't ring.
Wrong again. You can get tinnitus with some medication.
You are just a paranoid person thinking I'm lying.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
Why? What for?
Presumably you're actually that stupid.
I have to reason to lie. I want to arrive at the truth and lying would just hinder that.
Pathetic, really.
No, I arrived at it by excluding the other possibilities
that I tested and saw weren't the cause.
No you didnt. You likely do believe that, but that doesnt mean that belief is correct.
You presume again that I don't understand the placebo effect.
Wrong, as always.
I've read about it and seen programs about it so
I think I have a good enough understanding of it.
You clearly dont when you claim above that you have eliminated
other possibilitys than that stupid pig ignorant claim that 'subtle,
unnatural, incessant sounds' can damage your hearing.
If the monitor was a placebo, then the ringing
wouldn't get worse around it, it would just be irritating.
Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you wouldnt
know what the placebo effect was if it bit you on your lard arse.
You presume and presume and presume.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
In addition you don't believe anything I say so
Lying, as always.
what is the difference? There really is little point to this
I realize. I hope however it might help someone else,
Fat chance when you wouldnt know what rigorous
science was if it bit you on your lard arse.
You're so stupid that you cant even manage to do the most
basic research and discover what can cause ringing in your
ears and that it isnt JUST the result of hearing damage.
perhaps in a similar situation, to understand, if not you or me.
Cause and effect.
Mindless waffle.
The sound is the cause and by understanding it you understand the effect better.
Nothing to do with anything Paul posted which was ACTUALLY
about how you can get audible beat frequencys from frequencys
that are well outside the human hearing range.
There you go attaching your absolutism to every problem you encounter.
There you go lying about what I am doing.
You think after reading an article on it you've become an expert
and authority on the topic and anyone who produces something
outside of your understanding must be lying, stupid, or both.
Lying, as always.
Why do call me a child?
Because you are behaving like one, child.
I'm not a child,
Corse you are.
and anyway, what is wrong with being a child?
Never ever said there was, child.
Do you belittle children and speak to them as if they're idiots as well?
Nope, I reserve that for pathetic excuses for bullshit artists like you.
Do they deserve to be treated as such?
Having fun thrashing that straw man are you child ?
You are just filling them with your own angst.
Having fun thrashing that straw man are you child ?
Stop the cycle with yourself.
Go and **** yourself.
Your beliefs are based on presumptions about me.
Not a single presumption, child.
Well, I don't get tinnitus from laying in bed in a quiet atmosphere
or when away from the computer. It only comes back when I'm
in front of the computer for a long duration with or without the
headphones. I also don't listen at high volume levels when I
use the headphones. It could be both, the computer and the
headphones, but in my experience the computer is more
offensive and damaging. The computer consistently proves
to be a problem, while the headphones are inconsistent and
only when used in conjunction with the computer.
You havent established that it isnt just a psychological problem.
The only viable way to prove that is with a proper double blind trial.
But, you will disregard the computer/monitor
theory right away and not give it a chance.
Guess, which pathetic little prat has just got egg all over its silly little face, yet again ?
That's not a very rigorous and scientific approach Rod.
Having fun thrashing that straw man are you child ?
I thought that's what you were telling me I lacked?
You're trying to find your own faults in others.
Having fun thrashing that straw man are you child ?
If calling someone a fool, calling them stupid, and telling
them they're worthless isn't derogatory then what is?
The word THERE was there for a reason, child.
You forget your lies so quickly and readily in
order to bolster your argument or lack of one.
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
Yes, I understand that.
NOW you do.
I told you that it gets worse 'without' the headphones.
I can sit in front of the computer without headphones
and the ringing will get worse. I can take a break and
let it heal, and the problem will return 'without' the
headphones. I haven't worn the headphones for the
last few days and the problem is still here and getting
worse, so I'm sorry I'll have to cut this delightful
conversation short after this and take a long break. lol
Then its most likely a psychological/physiological effect
where the tinnitus you produced when you damaged your
hearing using the headphones previously varys significantly
as it normally does, or the tinnitus is due to other causes.
Until you actually do a proper double blind trial, which
by definition it isnt possible for you to do yourself, you
dont actually have a shred of evidence that the LCD
monitor is actually producing the tinnitus, let alone
that its actually DAMAGED YOUR HEARING.
A dripping tap is a natural sound that our ears have evolved to live with.
Wrong again. Its just as unnatural as a computer, was
invented earlier, and there has been no evolution what
so ever in humans since indoor plumbing was invented.
The sounds emitted by a computer monitor are unnatural
So is the dripping tap.
and possibly harmful.
Nope, we know what damages hearing and have known that for centurys now.
I don't think the sounds emitted are so fully understood to call it 'safe'.
You dont need to understand them to test whether they damage hearing.
You need time to determine these things and when new products are released,
Nope, not when we dont have a shred of evidence that 'subtle,
unnatural, incessant sounds' can damage your hearing.
they haven't gone through this testing process. There is a big
difference between a subtle natural sound and a subtle unnatural sound.
Not as far as hearing damage is concerned.
We are introducing sounds that our ears are not meant
to withstand, especially for long periods of time.
There is no 'no meant to' involved.
Natural sounds are also not repetitive
Plenty of them are.
and incessant as the sounds made by machines.
Irrelevant to what can produce HEARING DAMAGE.
Read the post by Paul and connect it with this
conversation, it's very interesting and informative.
Doesnt say a damned thing about what is being discussed HEARING DAMAGE.
You keep stating the obvious to me as if I'm an idiot
Because that is precisely what you are.
and have overlooked the obvious or can't see the obvious.
And that is precisely your problem. You're so stupid that you
cant even manage the basics on what can produce tinnitus
and are so stupid that you cant even manage to look that up.
And if I was an idiot, why do you need to talk to me in such a way?
Because the message does eventually get thru with some
boneheads that are determined to ignore the basics for a while.
Are you so perfect and without error to give you the right to treat people as such?
Dont need to be perfect or without error to deal with stupids, stupid.
And if you were, would you treat people as such?
Yep.
How do you explain the problem becoming worse without the headphones ?
Tinnitus varys a lot with all sorts of detail. Regardless
of what has produced the tinnitus in the first place.
Without the cause the effect should diminish or remain constant.
Wrong.
Why does the tinnitus go away and only come back around the computer?
Could be for a number of reasons, how you sit in front
of the computer, even a purely psychological effect.
Tinnitus is absolutely notorious for how variable it can be.
During the time I'm around the computer I can feel it getting worse.
That happens with the placebo effect too.
In contrast, during the time I'm using the headphones without
the computer in the picture I feel no such effect (for example
listening to music at night). Why doesn't it come back with
the headphones without the computer?
See above on the placebo effect.
Why would the damage from the headphones appear
most obvious, and get worse, when in front of the
computer yet disappear or diminish away from it?
See above on the placebo effect.
My conclusion is that the monitor is the primary, and
the headphones contribute or make the problem worse.
You aint qualified to reach any conclusion.
The ONLY way to eliminate the placebo effect and
other possibilitys is a proper double blind trial.
I am open to the contrary, but I've already tested it out.
No you didnt. You havent even done the only test that matters.
You dismiss the monitor as being a cause
completely despite the evidence on the contrary.
You dont have a shred of evidence what so ever.
I seriously doubt however that you care, and just see
this as another chance to inflate your ego even more.
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
Cause and effect.
Mindless waffle.
The sound is the cause, the tinnitus is the
effect. You need the cause for the effect.
More mindless waffle.
If you understand the cause you better understand the effect.
More mindless waffle.
You havent even proven that the is any effect of HEARING DAMAGE.
AND you havent proven what causes the tinnitus either.
If you dismiss one thing, that one thing may be the clue that
leads to better understanding, and you have just passed it by.
More mindless waffle.
There you go again with your condescension and
derogatory remarks that you claim you don't make.
The word THERE was included for a reason, ****wit.
What's the point? Do you think it helps anything
besides bloating your infested ego? If and when it
pops you'll be the one hurting and confused not me.
Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.
I've told you about how I tested,
No you didnt until now.
so if you don't believe what I said than what can
I say to change it?... nothing you will believe.
You have always been and always will be, completely and utterly irrelevant.
What you may or may not say in spades. You're just some silly little pig
ignorant fool that cant even manage the most basic reseach on what
tinnitus is about, let alone what has been established using rigorous science.
Well, take care Rod. No hard feelings,
hopefully we better understand each other now.
It was always obvious what a fool you are.
I don't expect to come here very often in the future so
my lies won't do me any good. I have nothing to support
with the lies. What a waste of all those good lies. lol
Thanks everyone for your sincere help though, and even you Rod,
though you had to try to pull me down and spit on me in the process.
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys.
J
John Doe
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all that about a medical problem that your trying to fix with a computer and
a LCD, by putting the tower in another room and buying a LCD based on the
noise it doesn't make. utter nonsence. I am sorry that you experience this.
i have no idea what it must be like, however your approach at 'fixing' it is
......well...misguided.
suggests the person asking for help is imagining things or lying.
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JAD replied:Najam said:I've changed the power supply
sounds like the PSU
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all that about a medical problem that your trying to fix with a computer and
a LCD, by putting the tower in another room and buying a LCD based on the
noise it doesn't make. utter nonsence. I am sorry that you experience this.
i have no idea what it must be like, however your approach at 'fixing' it is
......well...misguided.
J
JAD
Dear John,
Get it?
Get it?