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message is that "repository is consistent"
dean-dean said:Thanks for the definitions (od, oa); live and learn!
I daresay that your problems with IE7 may well be attributed to real-time
protection programs going at it all at once, not to mention that User
Account Control may be in the mix, too. You're right, no one knows exactly
how all the Anti-Malware real-time protections intersect in combination;
since an individual is free to install as many of these programs as they
like, who's to know the consequences of all the combinations possible (what
with a multitude of registry insertions, active files on your computer,
ActiveX controls, hosts file modification, "Anti-Spyware" that may be a ruse
for adware, and on and on)? Of course, you can do what you like, but I'd
tone it down to using one Anti-Virus program (uninstall any others), and
have only one Anti-Malware program with real-time protection active, if your
Anti-Virus program doesn't provide that option. You can use their on-demand
scanning, but turn off the real-time protection capabilities of Spyware
Terminator, Ad-Aware, Spybot S&D (Tea Timer), etc. If you are using Avast's
Web Shield, turn off real-time protection in Windows Defender (or at least
those items that affect IE7). Or turn off Web Shield and use Defender. Once
you've done that, do this to see if Security Center's Windows Firewall
status can be fixed :
Right-click Command Prompt and Run as Administrator. Type the following
command:
winmgmt /verifyrepository
If the system returns "WMI repository is not consistent", run this command:
winmgmt /salvagerepository
The first time you run this it will fail. (It will issue stop commands to
the services causing it to fail. It might take a couple minutes for the
services to shut down). Run the command again. You actually may have to
run it 3 times before it finally runs and completes on its own.
Reboot your system.
In terms of "throwing the baby out with the bathwater", consider this. The
point of Anti-Virus programs, etc., is to keep you computer usable, stable,
and safe. If you over-do the programs, you may have defeated your
purpose. Six SFC non-repairable items is not the norm...
nweissma said:od = on demand - iow, scanning mode of operation
oa = on access - iow, real-time protection
i have only one oa av (avast), several av scanners (i turn off avast
before
i scan to avoid conflict), several antispyware scanners (spybot s&d,
adaware,
and others), and windows defender works just fine. i have no extraneous
toolbars - never did.
conflicts? how do i know whether antimalware purviews intersect? for
example, does real-time spybot s&d's tea timer function intersect windows
defender? do somne of the antispyware function of spyware terminator
intersect with defender, or spybot s&d? how do i know - dearth
documentation
is a major problem, imo.
sfcdetails.txt reveals 6 entries that all say the same thing:
........... CSI ........00000xxx [SR] Cannot Repair
dean-dean said:You lost me with "3rd party oa av, od av's, and od antispywares". What
do
the initials (od, oa) mean? Are you using Windows Defender real-time
protection as well? Is Security Center reporting your Anti-virus program
correctly? Is it reporting Windows Defender correctly?
Basically, I would have only one Anti-virus program installed and
running,
and one Anti-spyware program, if it's using real-time protection,
running.
Too many processes in this area running in the background are going to
cause
conflicts, not to mention radically impact the performance of your
computer.
Hold off on another Firewall. Security Center may be mis-reporting its
status, and that may be fixable. I just need clarity on all your
"Anti-'s".
One Care is off the table; what's on the table?
Your IE7 problems may be a result of the issues stated above, or too many
3rd party toolbars and plug-ins, or combinations thereof. For starters,
if
you are using any toolbars (Google, Yahoo, MSN, or one that came from
your
computer manufacturer, etc.), I would uninstall them.
To get a proper take on your current SFC situation, and to understand
what
the MS tech might have seen, I would do this. Run SFC /scannow, by
right-clicking Command Prompt and choosing Run as Administrator. Next,
open
Command Prompt again (use the shortcut in Start
Menu\Programs\Accessories)
(Run as Administrator), and type
cd desktop
Press Enter on your keyboard. Then type
findstr /c:"[SR]" %windir%\logs\cbs\cbs.log >sfcdetails.txt
Press Enter. Sfcdetails.txt should then appear on your Desktop. Looking
at
entries for the current date, ONLY, do you see any problems noted in that
text file?
it was an ms tech, not me, who, after three hours on the phone and with
easy
assist, ran the sfc /scannow, and decided, without further probing,
that
the
source of the firewall problem lies in the unidentified corrupted, and
irreparable, files (*he* did not sfc /verifyonly - *i* did). he told me
that
i needed to reinstall vista from dvd - not something i look forward
to -
notwithstanding that i need the experience anyway. when i ran
/verifyonly,
and discovered that the only irreparably corrupted file was this "true
font"
.ttc, i was, as you can imagine, shocked!
when i installed onecare (4-5 weeks ago), windows firewall was
necessarily
rendered inoperative. 2 weeks later, i uninstalled onecare (i forget
the
details - either it was causing me trouble or it was not adequately
performing; in either case, i installed a 3rd party oa av, od av's, and
od
antispywares), and i have not been able to render windows firewall
operative.
another ms tech, 2 weeks ago, also had me on the phone for 3 hours;
after
reading a log (i forget which), he concluded that windows firewall *was
working* - even though it is reporting that it is not. nor is the
security
center. nor can i turn them on. i would certainly install a 3rd party
firewall, but i am worried about firewall conflict - remember, he said
that
windows firewall *is working*. so now i don't know - is windows
firewall
working or, as it's reporting itself, it is not? - it is possible that
i
have
not had a firewall for 3 weeks.
what symptoms manifest a firewall conflict (if i install the 3rd party
firewall, how will i know that i have a conflict?)
wrt the ie7 matter, that the second ms tech said must be premised on
the
(unidentified) corrupted files: it seems to have a problem with the
Ajax
technology, suchg as is found in gmail, and when i visit
www.techarp.com
(other sites continuously refresh so violently that the page never
loads)
.
:
I think you missed my point. System Restore is not a good way to
repair
corrupted files, if you don't know at what point the corrupted files
weren't
corrupt (using System Restore, you have to choose a date). SFC is
able
to
replace corrupted System files, but your issues may not be due to file
corruption. If SFC only found a font as problematic, then your
problems
most likely are caused by some other conflict, like the installation
of a
3rd party program. If you "cannot activate windows firewall, and
possibly
have other ie7 problems", and you tried SFC /scannow, then file
corruption
can be ruled out. You jumped to the wrong conclusion by equating
mingliu.ttc as the source of your issues. There's a wide gamut of
possibilities.
Now that we know that your Windows Firewall and IE7 files are
basically
intact and okay, specifically, what are the symptoms regarding Windows
Firewall? And your IE7 problems?
i question its value as a way to restore corrupted files
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/936212/en-us
this kb states:
"Using the System Restore tool may not necessarily help you
determine
the
issue. The System Restore tool uses restore points to return system
files
and
settings to an earlier point in time. You can use it to restore the
operating
system to a point in time in which you did not experience the issue.
When
you
use System Restore to restore the computer to a previous state, ***
programs
and updates that you installed are removed. ***"
as a newbie, this question may seem ridiculous because it is so
obvious:
why
would i want to remove all the antimalware that i carefully
configured?
all i
want to do is repair one or two corrupted files - not throw the baby
out
with
the bathwater.
as i just stated in another post, the sfc.exe /verifyonly >> cbs.txt
(all
35
MB of it!) produced the startling, psychedelic revelation that the
reason
that i cannot activate windows firewall, and possibly other ie7
problems,
is
due to a corruption of a file named mingliu.ttc - a windows "true
font"
file!! cbs.txt identifies this as *the only* sfc.exe /scannow
irrepartable
file!!
can this possibly be causing my windows firewall problem? and for
*this*,
i
am going to jeopardize my antimalware?
so, what can vista's restore feature be used for, with a net
benefit?
:
System Restore could be used to repair corrupted system files, but
you
would
have to choose a restore point with a date when the corrupted files
weren't
corrupted. Knowing when the files weren't corrupted may not be
easy
to
figure out.
why can't Vista's System Restore feature be used to repair
corrupted
files?
--
--Fool On The Hill
[32-bit Vista Home Premium]
It looks like you were able to sort out a few of your concerns.
Your
post
reminded me that I'd forgotten to tell you about making a
sfcdetails.txt
file, but it looks like you figured it out:
To create only SFC information gleaned from the cbs.log, and
find
the
sfcdetails.txt easily, open command prompt. By default, the
prompt
starts in
C:\Users\(Your Name). Type