Sensible partition sizes

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Gremenbulin said:
Rod Speed wrote
If you have kept programmes and data properly separate,
there is little chance of reinfection from the data partition.

Irrelevant to whether the virus will likely have molested those data
files so they need to be at least verified against the last good backup.
Full and frequent backups are of course ideal,
but most home uses don't have the resources,

Oh bullshit. DVD burners are now so cheap that they are perfectly
viable for the backup of the stuff that you have created yourself
and so is completely irreplacable if you dont have backups.
especially with hard drives capacties having got ahead of everything else.

The obvious way to handle that is to have two of those.

Not a shred of rocket science required at all, and those are dirt cheap now.
 
Rod said:
Irrelevant to whether the virus will likely have molested those data
files so they need to be at least verified against the last good backup.

Whatever. No-one has come up with a downside to
separate partitions.
Oh bullshit. DVD burners are now so cheap that they are perfectly
viable for the backup of the stuff that you have created yourself
and so is completely irreplacable if you dont have backups.

But not viable to replace the other several 100 gigs. Which
is admitedly not vital. But then what is the downside
to keeping it on a separate partition?
The obvious way to handle that is to have two of those.

The OP didn't ask how to acheive perfect data security with
a limitless budget, he asked how to partition his drive.
 
Gremenbulin said:
Rod Speed wrote
Whatever. No-one has come up with a downside to separate partitions.

Lie. The main downside is that is quite difficult to get the size of the
OS and programs partition right, hard to know what it should be over
time as OSs and programs bloat. If you make it too small its very
dangerous to resize that partition without a full image of the entire
physical drive. If you make it too big, you may well end up filling
the data partition with the same problem with resizing that.
But not viable to replace the other several 100 gigs.
Which is admitedly not vital. But then what is the
downside to keeping it on a separate partition?

You dont have any backup if the hard drive dies.

That is in fact the most common reason you need a backup.
The OP didn't ask how to acheive perfect data security
with a limitless budget, he asked how to partition his drive.

And he needed to have it pointed out that its stupid
to be keeping the backups on the same physical
drives, because if the hard drive dies, he's ****ed.

You're so stupid that you still cant manage to grasp the problem.
 
Rod said:
That wont protect you against a hard drive failure, fool.

Where did I say partitioning is all you need? Did the OP
ask how to partition his disk or how to achieve total security?
 
Rod said:
Lie. The main downside is that is quite difficult to get the size of the
OS and programs partition right, hard to know what it should be over
time as OSs and programs bloat.

That's a problem with small drives.
It's easy with the size of the OP's drive.
If you make it too small its very
dangerous to resize that partition without a full image of the entire
physical drive. If you make it too big, you may well end up filling
the data partition with the same problem with resizing that.



You dont have any backup if the hard drive dies.

That's the downside of using partioning **instead** of
other methods. I am not saying that. I am
saying that you should use it **as well**.
That is in fact the most common reason you need a backup.



And he needed to have it pointed out that its stupid
to be keeping the backups on the same physical
drives, because if the hard drive dies, he's ****ed.

It's not perfect data security, but it's better than nothing.
If you can spare the space, you might as well.
You're so stupid that you still cant manage to grasp the problem.

Re-read the first post. What question is he asking?
 
Gremenbulin said:
Rod Speed wrote
That's a problem with small drives.

Its also a problem with drives the size of the OP's drive.
It's easy with the size of the OP's drive.

Wrong, as always.
That's the downside of using partioning **instead**
of other methods. I am not saying that. I am
saying that you should use it **as well**.

No point in a separate partition for the backups
if you have more than one physical drive.
It's not perfect data security, but it's better than nothing.

Wrong again. There is no need for a separate partition
for the backups, it doesnt achieve a damned thing.
If you can spare the space, you might as well.

Mindless stuff. You should have more than one hard drive
because with just one hard drive, you're ****ed if the hard drive dies.
Re-read the first post. What question is he asking?

Irrelevant to what makes any sense at all.
 
You will have a faster system if you use separate hard drives for each task,
especially if you plan on doing video work. If money is tight, I understand,
but file transfers of any type will be slow. You can get 250gig drives for
$130( for western digital make sure they are "raid edition" as they have NCQ
and 16mb buffers which makes them faster and is recommended/required for
Vista).

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Rod said:
Its also a problem with drives the size of the OP's drive.


If he makes his sysytem partition 50gb, he will be onto
new hardware before it fills up.
Wrong, as always.



No point in a separate partition for the backups
if you have more than one physical drive.

"If". But the OP said "drive" not "drives"
Wrong again. There is no need for a separate partition
for the backups, it doesnt achieve a damned thing.

Yes it does. It gives you protection against accidentally
deleting your own stuff, which is about the most frequent
cause of data loss.
Mindless stuff. You should have more than one hard drive
because with just one hard drive, you're ****ed if the hard drive dies.

You are not answering the question as posed.
Irrelevant to what makes any sense at all.

What you say is irrelevant if the OP can't currently afford
a second drive.
 
VanShania said:
You will have a faster system if you use separate hard drives for each
task, especially if you plan on doing video work. If money is tight, I
understand, but file transfers of any type will be slow. You can get
250gig drives for $130( for western digital make sure they are "raid
edition" as they have NCQ and 16mb buffers which makes them faster and is
recommended/required for Vista).
The only way to have a "real" speed advantage is with a raid-0 (striped)
array for video. I use two striped raid arrays for video work and keep a
backup of videos I would not want to lose on a large separate drive. I would
never recommend a striped array for the OS and program files (or any other
critical files). One of my arrays is an IDE array with two WD 250g, 8mb
cache drives and the other has two WD SATA drives with 16mb caches and there
is very little difference in speed between the two. Both arrays have
transfer rate within 5mbps of each other and HD Tach and Sandra both verify
this. The big jump in speed is to use the two arrays together, working from
one to the other for rendering video. It can decrease the time by 20-30%
depending on what actions you are doing. Vista RC1 (getting RC2 now) works
just fine on a single 7200rpm 8mb cache WD drive. Processor speed, memory
and video have a much larger impact than does the HDD with Vista.

Ed
 
Gremenbulin said:
Rod Speed wrote
If he makes his sysytem partition 50gb, he
will be onto new hardware before it fills up.

You dont know that. Depends entirely on what else he installs on
the OS and programs partition and what he does about the apps
that choose to store their crap on the partition they are installed on.

And even if it only ever gets half filled, he may run out of space
on the data partition and has the same problem with resizing the
partitions safely without a full image of the entire physical drive.

In spades if he is actually stupid enough to
have all backups just on that physical drive too.
"If". But the OP said "drive" not "drives"

And he needs to have his nose rubbed in the downsides of
having the backups on the same physical drive as what is
being backed up, because that is a stupid way to backup.
Yes it does. It gives you protection against accidentally deleting
your own stuff, which is about the most frequent cause of data loss.

Bullshit it is.
You are not answering the question as posed.

Only incompetant fools JUST answer the question as posed when
its clear that the OP is proposing a stupid config which provides no
protection what so ever against hard drive failure, theft or fire, etc etc etc.
What you say is irrelevant if the OP can't currently afford a second drive.

You dont know that he cant, and even if he cant, he should at least
get a DVD burner and backup the files he creates himself onto that.

He clearly cant be that strapped for cash, he obviously bought that decent sized drive.
 
As the original poster can I add a few things.

Firstly, the back up I was 'suggesting' on the hard drive is just in
case I screw up a file while editing or accidentally delete a file.

NOT a permanent back up.

I synchronise my data onto two other PCs automatically everyday over my
home network and also backup any changed files to DVD every week.

A disc crash would not loose me much data.

I wanted to partition the drive more for convenience that anything else.

In the past I have had the OS screw up, without damaging the data.

So if the data is on another partition then all I have to do is restore
the OS and any programs. If the data gets damaged all I have to do is
copy it from one of the other systems or the DVDs.

In conclusion it's all about making things easier for me, day-to-day.

BTW
Don't some of you guys have sufficient command of the English language
that you can make you point without having to resort to profanity and
insults?
 
Nospam said:
As the original poster can I add a few things.

No way.
Firstly, the back up I was 'suggesting' on the hard drive is just in
case I screw up a file while editing or accidentally delete a file.
NOT a permanent back up.

It doesnt make a lot of sense to have those backups on that
hard drive if you have them on another hard drive as well.

You shouldnt be editing or accidentally deleting a file often enough
that the extra speed with the backups on the same system is relevant.
I synchronise my data onto two other PCs automatically everyday over
my home network and also backup any changed files to DVD every week.
A disc crash would not loose me much data.
I wanted to partition the drive more for convenience that anything else.

It normally produces less convenience with the backups. Its generally
better to minimise the number of partitions on the drive which has the
backups on it, because that way the free space doesnt get scattered
across the partitions, so you can keep more backups easily. That
means that if you dont notice that you have buggered up a file until
well after you molested it, you should have more generations to get
the unmolested file out of when you realise what you have done.
In the past I have had the OS screw up, without damaging the data.

Sure, you can certainly make a case for a separate OS and
programs partition, but its not a particularly good one if you have
full backups of everything as you appear to be saying you do.

The only time a separate OS and programs partition has any real
advantage is if you frequently do have the OS screw up and a
repair install doesnt fix that, and that shouldnt be happening with XP.

The other arguable advantage is if you choose to do a full image
of the OS and programs partition before changing anything at all,
in case the system restore and repair install cant fix the problem.
A separate OS and programs partitions will be faster to image
and that may well see you make the image more often than if
you have to image the entire physical drive.

BUT it actually makes a lot more sense to do incremental
images now with a decent modern imager and get an even
faster safety image again.

If you do incremental safety images, the only time its still worth
having a separate OS and programs partitions is if the system
has a very high level of data file activity, like with a PVR where
the incremental image will be very large due to the very high
turnover of data files.
So if the data is on another partition then all I have to do is
restore the OS and any programs. If the data gets damaged all I have to do is copy it from one of
the other systems or the DVDs.
In conclusion it's all about making things easier for me, day-to-day.

Its still hard to justify your multiple partitions approach.
BTW
Don't some of you guys have sufficient command of the English language
that you can make you point without having to resort to profanity and insults?

That has always been an utterly mindless line. Some of us dont give a
flying red **** about what fools like you dont like to see language wise.
 
yes but if your buying new hard drives(or anything else), may as well spend
$10 more and get the best.
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Nospam said:
BTW
Don't some of you guys have sufficient command of the English language
that you can make you point without having to resort to profanity and
insults?

Unfortunately, that appears to be the only thing Rod Speed can write...
 
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