Selling my soul to the devil is the next step...

[Chuck]

I was just thinking how wonderful life was, when Chuck


Sorry for the delay. nVidia ethernet being used with my LAN working
100%. Refused offer to install firewall components (as always).

Guy,

Think outside the box. If the nVidia firewall is, by default, closed, then the
"firewall components" that you're refusing are the ones that you need to control
the beast. Look at Jack Clark's thread a couple weeks ago.

 

[Dr Teeth]

I was just thinking how wonderful life was, when Chuck

Think outside the box.

If the nVidia firewall is, by default, closed, then the
"firewall components" that you're refusing are the ones that you need to control
the beast. Look at Jack Clark's thread a couple weeks ago.

I thought, and correct me if I am wrong, was that you thought that I
had a surreptitious firewall on my system. All I have installed are
the Ethernet drivers (AFAIAA) as I have so done all along. IIRC Jack
had not refused the firewall extras. No nVidia firewall components
ever showed up in any WinSock/LSP scan I have ever done.

No wonder you need brains to work with networks...I'm just a dentist!

--
Cheers,

Guy

** Stress - the condition brought about by having to
** resist the temptation to beat the living daylights
** out of someone who richly deserves it.

 

[Chuck]

I was just thinking how wonderful life was, when Chuck




I thought, and correct me if I am wrong, was that you thought that I
had a surreptitious firewall on my system. All I have installed are
the Ethernet drivers (AFAIAA) as I have so done all along. IIRC Jack
had not refused the firewall extras. No nVidia firewall components
ever showed up in any WinSock/LSP scan I have ever done.

No wonder you need brains to work with networks...I'm just a dentist!

Guy,

I think what you are calling "firewall extras" are what you need for your
firewall to work properly. My guess is that an nVidia firewall, unless
configured, will not pass SMBs (NetBT or directly hosted). To configure the
firewall, you have to install the extras.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/08/firewall-behaviour-and-windows.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/08/firewall-behaviour-and-windows.html

Jack is a doctor, so you and he know more about the human body than I do. I
think his experience can teach all of us, though, a bit about networking and the
nVidia hardware based personal firewall.

 

[Dr Teeth]

I was just thinking how wonderful life was, when Chuck

I think what you are calling "firewall extras" are what you need for your
firewall to work properly. My guess is that an nVidia firewall, unless
configured, will not pass SMBs (NetBT or directly hosted).

I have just reinstalled my network drivers so I could tell you exactly
what these 'extras' are.

The full text is "Do you want to install NVidia firewall and Forceware
Network Access Manager?" By answering 'no' I assume that the firewall
is not installed.

If that is not the case, then the firewall is installed and not
properly configured and my LAN should not be working 110%

Need a beer now... Med school was easy <g>.

--
Cheers,

Guy

** Stress - the condition brought about by having to
** resist the temptation to beat the living daylights
** out of someone who richly deserves it.

 

[Chuck]

I was just thinking how wonderful life was, when Chuck


I have just reinstalled my network drivers so I could tell you exactly
what these 'extras' are.

The full text is "Do you want to install NVidia firewall and Forceware
Network Access Manager?" By answering 'no' I assume that the firewall
is not installed.

If that is not the case, then the firewall is installed and not
properly configured and my LAN should not be working 110%

Need a beer now... Med school was easy <g>.

Guy,

The term "Network Access Manager" should say "not just a firewall". By
answering "no", I too would ASSUME that the firewall is not installed. BUT, as
I have said REPEATEDLY, it appears that the "firewall" is normally closed, not
normally open. If you don't install the NAM, and configure the firewall to PASS
SMBs, judging from Jack's threads, you won't have Windows Networking.

Or does "the firewall is installed and not properly configured and my LAN should
not be working 110%" mean that it's working now? Don't play games please, I
love jokes, as much as you, but not now.

 

[Dr Teeth]

I was just thinking how wonderful life was, when Chuck

Don't play games please, I
love jokes, as much as you, but not now.

I'm not, Chuck.

From what you have said there are *only two* options.

1) "as I have said REPEATEDLY, it appears that the "firewall" is
normally closed, not normally open. If you don't install the NAM, and
configure the firewall to PASS SMBs, judging from Jack's threads, you
won't have Windows Networking."

You have also said repeatedly that the firewall is installed silently.

I contend that the above is not the case as according to you, I have
the firewall is installed closed (default) and I have just not
installed the software to configure it. Therefore, again according to
you, my LAN should not be working, but IT IS, perfectly, quickly, and
110%.

Surely the firewall would stop all comms, not just bork a connection
to one PC leaving the other working perfectly as was my case?

Also, as was the case here, the LAN was working and suddenly stopped
without any drivers being installed.

2) No firewall is installed.

If you go back to Jack, you will see that he DID install these extras,
which, according to Jack, ARE the firewall software itself and a
config program, which he was able to uninstall it separately.

Don't play games please, I love jokes, as much as you, but not now.

Come on Chuck...<g>.

--
Cheers,

Guy

** Stress - the condition brought about by having to
** resist the temptation to beat the living daylights
** out of someone who richly deserves it.

 

[Chuck]

I was just thinking how wonderful life was, when Chuck


I'm not, Chuck.

From what you have said there are *only two* options.

1) "as I have said REPEATEDLY, it appears that the "firewall" is
normally closed, not normally open. If you don't install the NAM, and
configure the firewall to PASS SMBs, judging from Jack's threads, you
won't have Windows Networking."

You have also said repeatedly that the firewall is installed silently.

I contend that the above is not the case as according to you, I have
the firewall is installed closed (default) and I have just not
installed the software to configure it. Therefore, again according to
you, my LAN should not be working, but IT IS, perfectly, quickly, and
110%.

Surely the firewall would stop all comms, not just bork a connection
to one PC leaving the other working perfectly as was my case?

Also, as was the case here, the LAN was working and suddenly stopped
without any drivers being installed.

2) No firewall is installed.

If you go back to Jack, you will see that he DID install these extras,
which, according to Jack, ARE the firewall software itself and a
config program, which he was able to uninstall it separately.


Come on Chuck...<g>.

So was this the first time that you re installed the drivers? As you said
earlier:
"Refused offer to install firewall components (as always)."

Any idea what you did this time that worked? If the nVidia drivers are able to
configure themselves properly in some cases, but not others, it would help a lot
of people to know this.

I'm hoping that you didn't re install IPX/SPX or NetBEUI, for instance.

 

[Dr Teeth]

I was just thinking how wonderful life was, when Chuck

So was this the first time that you re installed the drivers? As you said
earlier:
"Refused offer to install firewall components (as always)."

I have never installed these extra bits, and my LAN has worked fine in
the past. I just reinstalled the drivers to get you the verbatim
message that popped up. Jack inferred that he could uninstall the
firewall separately from the nVidia ethernet drivers. The only time I
have installed drivers is to update them.

Any idea what you did this time that worked?

No, I'm puzzled. However, in a previous posting you asked me to run a
command which would show the components of the WinSock stack and LSPs.
No nVidia component was present. I am not convinced that any firewall
is installed if one refuses to install the 'extras', which to my
reading, is the firewall itself. I am more than happy to run the
executable (without installing anything, natch) and give you a listing
of its contents and try to supply you with the contents of any text
file (e.g.*.inf) to help you see what would be installed.

If the nVidia drivers are able to
configure themselves properly in some cases, but not others, it would help a lot
of people to know this.

AFAIAA, I only installed and only have the ethernet drivers installed,
and not any firewall nor firewall component. How can we check this

I'm hoping that you didn't re install IPX/SPX or NetBEUI, for instance.

No way. That would be a cheat. I did not reinstall IPX/SPX or NetBEUI.
All is working as it did and as it should and I don't know why.


--
Cheers,

Guy

** Stress - the condition brought about by having to
** resist the temptation to beat the living daylights
** out of someone who richly deserves it.

 

[Chuck]

I was just thinking how wonderful life was, when Chuck


I have never installed these extra bits, and my LAN has worked fine in
the past.

The original title of this thread is "I'd sell my soul...". You did have
problems at one time?

No, I'm puzzled. However, in a previous posting you asked me to run a
command which would show the components of the WinSock stack and LSPs.
No nVidia component was present. I am not convinced that any firewall
is installed if one refuses to install the 'extras', which to my
reading, is the firewall itself. I am more than happy to run the
executable (without installing anything, natch) and give you a listing
of its contents and try to supply you with the contents of any text
file (e.g.*.inf) to help you see what would be installed.

The firewall, Guy, is part of the hardware. You have an nVidia nForce Ethernet
controller with an embedded hardware firewall. I haven't figured out why some
systems show Winsock entries for nVidia components.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/02/hidden-personal-firewall-nvidia-nforce.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/02/hidden-personal-firewall-nvidia-nforce.html

AFAIAA, I only installed and only have the ethernet drivers installed,
and not any firewall nor firewall component. How can we check this
once and for all and stay friends <vbg>?

I only argue with my friends. You have Ethernet drivers from what product?

No way. That would be a cheat. I did not reinstall IPX/SPX or NetBEUI.
All is working as it did and as it should and I don't know why.

Well, I had to ask. I'd bet that cleaning up the network stack removed a
problem. Maybe some nVidia drivers, when installed on an otherwise correctly
setup system, will allow SMBs. I don't know.

You and Jack aren't the first folks to have problems, when an nVidia component
is involved - read the nVidia forum discussions. The more folks who do analyse
your problems, as you and Jack have done, the better chance we have of nailing
down the problem itself. And that's why I'm asking.

 

[Dr Teeth]

I was just thinking how wonderful life was, when Chuck

The firewall, Guy, is part of the hardware. You have an nVidia nForce Ethernet
controller with an embedded hardware firewall.

I thought that it only worked if drivers were installed.

You have Ethernet drivers from what product?

nVidia nForce Networking Controller.

You and Jack aren't the first folks to have problems, when an nVidia component
is involved - read the nVidia forum discussions. The more folks who do analyse
your problems, as you and Jack have done, the better chance we have of nailing
down the problem itself. And that's why I'm asking.

Of course you should ask.

--
Cheers,

Guy

** Stress - the condition brought about by having to
** resist the temptation to beat the living daylights
** out of someone who richly deserves it.

 

[Chuck]

I was just thinking how wonderful life was, when Chuck


I thought that it only worked if drivers were installed.


nVidia nForce Networking Controller.


Of course you should ask.

You installed nVidia drivers. The drivers let your nVidia nForce Ethernet
controller / hardware firewall work. What specific functions are activated when
you install "Ethernet drivers", and / or "firewall drivers", are at the
discretion of nVidia. Both the Ethernet and firewall controllers are on the
same board - the nVidia nForce.

What we know (based upon what nVidia tells us) is that the nForce contains an
ISCA certified hardware firewall. Anything else that we know is based upon what
nVidia customers like Jack and you have observed.
<http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_13034.html>
http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_13034.html

I just spent a few minutes briefly searching the nVidia web site, to see if
there's a release log for the nVidia drivers, and no luck. So I have no idea
what, if anything has been changed. Let's just be thankful that you are now
happy.