Seagate ST3320613AS vs ST3320620NS

[Man-wai Chang ToDie (33.6k)]

Don't forget to back up the stuff periodically.

Don't worry about me ;-)

On second thought, the so-called RAID or fault tolerance
is just a real-time backup strategy...

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[CJT]

On second thought, the so-called RAID or fault tolerance
is just a real-time backup strategy...

I disagree. Suffer e.g. a power supply failure or fire, and your
entire RAID array is gone. A proper backup is on separate media
physically removed from the scene.

 

[Arno Wagner]

Man-wai Chang ToDie (33.6k) wrote:
I disagree. Suffer e.g. a power supply failure or fire, and your
entire RAID array is gone. A proper backup is on separate media
physically removed from the scene.

Well, a backup is just redundancy. But the level of redundancy a RAID
offers is generelly thought to be too low to be sensible. It really is
a judgement call though, but one you need to make on an informed
basis. For data that is not too valuable, RAID may be enough.
Fopr other data, you may really want that off-site backup and make
a restoration trial once every year. Depends.

Arno

 

[Man-wai Chang ToDie (33.6k)]

I disagree. Suffer e.g. a power supply failure or fire, and your

entire RAID array is gone. A proper backup is on separate media
physically removed from the scene.

Again, it's just a different implementation of backup...

Real "fault tolerance", in my opinion, means an "immortal"
server, eternal "youth".

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[Arno Wagner]

Again, it's just a different implementation of backup...

Real "fault tolerance", in my opinion, means an "immortal"
server, eternal "youth".

Very true ;-)

Arno

 

[CJT]

Again, it's just a different implementation of backup...

Real "fault tolerance", in my opinion, means an "immortal"
server, eternal "youth".

I see data loss in your future.

 

[Mike Tomlinson]

On second thought, the so-called RAID or fault tolerance
is just a real-time backup strategy...

Er, no. it doesn't protect against accidental deletion or filesystem
corruption.

 

[Arno Wagner]

Er, no. it doesn't protect against accidental deletion or filesystem
corruption.

Backups come in many fashions and protect against a smaller or
larger sets of things that can go wrong. But I agree that
calling RAID a ''backup'' is dangerous, because many people
will just hear the one term and not understand or be interested
in what it actually means for a concrete implementation.

Arno

 

[Tony]

which one is better?

I've had 4 out of 5 ST3320613AS drives fail within an hour of installation.

Tony

 

[Rod Speed]

I've had 4 out of 5 ST3320613AS drives fail within an hour of installation.

Fark, there must be something badly wrong with the system they were installed in
or someone dropped the inadequately packaged drives before they were installed.

 

[Tony]

Fark, there must be something badly wrong with the system they were
installed in
or someone dropped the inadequately packaged drives before they were
installed.

Purchasers at NewEgg apear to be experiencing high failure rates also. Check
out the product reviews there for a sampling of results. The original 2
drives indeed were packaged incorrectly (in bubblewrap) but the replacements
from the manufacturer were packaged in approved materials (2 inches of foam
all around). I've only as of yet installed Windows and ran some scans on the
drive that is still working (couldn't get that far with all the other ones)
so I'm "knocking on wood" in hopes that the drive is a good one.

Tony

 

[Rod Speed]

Purchasers at NewEgg apear to be experiencing high failure rates also.

Nothing like the failure rate that you are claiming.

Check out the product reviews there for a sampling of results.

No thanks, the technical term for that is 'pathetically inadequate sample'

The original 2 drives indeed were packaged incorrectly (in bubblewrap)

Funny that.

but the replacements from the manufacturer were packaged
in approved materials (2 inches of foam all around).

You dont know how they were treated before they got into that foam.

I've only as of yet installed Windows and ran some scans on the drive that is still working (couldn't get that far
with all the other ones) so I'm "knocking on wood" in hopes that the drive is a good one.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you dont have a clue about what reliability statistics are actually
about.

 

[Tony]

Bozo'd! Buh-bye now. (Your defensive posture noted Rod, but your lack of
reasoning ability is just to annoying to respond to anymore).

WIth Rod now ignored maybe someone can address the original issue which
still is: why are these drives are failing so much? Will I EVER be able to
get a reliable one?

Tony

 

[Sambo]

Bozo'd! Buh-bye now.

Usual silly little ****wit child that hates having its nose rubbed in its terminal stupiditys.

Pity that it wont save its bacon.

(Your defensive posture noted Rod,

You wouldnt know what a real defensive posture was if one bit you on your lard arse, child.

but your lack of reasoning ability is just to annoying to respond to anymore).

What you actually hate is having your nose rubbed in your terminal stupiditys, child.

WIth Rod now ignored

Only in your pathetic little drug crazed pig ignorant fantasyland, child.

maybe someone can address the original issue which still is: why are these drives are failing so much?

Your system is killing them, ****wit child.

Will I EVER be able to get a reliable one?

Only if the fault goes away, ****wit child.

 

[Tony]

Were they OEM or retail drives?

OEM.