S.M.A.R.T. Capability

[ANTant]

Of course nobody but them knows. I think it cannot be in the
best interest of the customer. It is the first thing I turn
back on, including the offline-data collection (automatic
self-test, usually every 4 hours or so).

There are a lot of bad practices out there, that hurt the customer.
But apparently the customer does not know enough to understand
what is going on and so they may actually be beneficial from
a business perspective.

For example I have now seen several devices with self-destruct
mechanisms. One was a 3000 USD Somy Vaio laptop, definitely not low
end (its chipset was rigged to run hot enough to die about 1...1.5
years after purchase). I will never buy anythign from them again/
Another one (a long time ago) was a PC that had two conventional
betteries over the mainboard. After 2-3 Years they would start leaking
acid onto it. I have seen other instances.

I don't trust technology vendors. To many important decision my
management that is only interested in profits. To little decisions by
engineers that want to make a good product.

Does SMART even work? I have NEVER seen any failure ones before esepcially
when HDDs already had problems (e.g., bad sectors, slow speed, etc.). I
wonder if that is why it is disabled in the first place.
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[Rod Speed]

Does SMART even work?

Yes, some have had a warning about imminent drive failure.

Corse if most systems do come with it off by default, you
arent going to see too many warn of imminent drive failure.

I have NEVER seen any failure ones before
esepcially when HDDs already had problems
(e.g., bad sectors, slow speed, etc.).

I dont get a high enough failure rate of
hard drives to be statistically useful on that.

Yes, that maxtor of yours should be warning about a problem,
but it appears that even maxtor hasnt got its act into gear on that
when powermax doesnt use the smart data to report a problem.

I wonder if that is why it is disabled in the first place.

Unlikely, quite a bit of the more fancy stuff is off by default.

 

[Rod Speed]

You think so? What about the just that little bit more demanding ones?

So obviously S.M.A.R.T. is enabled at hat particular moment.
Says nothing about how long it was enabled, which is key in
what meaning can be given to the values displayed.

Uhuh.
So both Everest and MBM5 obviously enable SMART first to be able to
display the values. Your SMART history will be as long as you have run
Everest or MBM5 for up to that particular moment. As soon as you switch
off and switch on the nextday or whenever you do, SMART is off again,
and no error accounting is done unless/until you run MBM5 or Everest again.

That is just plain wrong. I have seen quite a bit of data in the
SMART report with the first use of Everest on a particular
drive with nothing else having done anything smart data wise.

You dont know that Everest turns SMART off on
the drive as it exits and it doesnt in fact do that.

 

[Rod Speed]

So you say now. That wasn't all that obvious.
Particularly in relation to your original question.

So you actually use them to enable S.M.A.R.T. for the time that the OS is up.

You dont know that either turns SMART off on the drive as they exit.

They dont do that.

That wasn't apparent from the start.

It is to anyone with a clue, which obviously counts you out.

So then, you actually knew the answer to your question already when
you asked it. That question is now starting to appear as troll's bait.

Only to trolls that expect others behave the way they do.

Never said it would. Your drive's SMART history will be incomplete
Wrong.

which may lead to incorrect conclusions if you happen to
present it in future questions without saying how you used it.

You're the one assuming that SMART is turned off on the drive
when Everest and MBM arent running. That is just plain wrong.

 

[Folkert Rienstra]

You dont know that either turns SMART off on the drive as they exit.

Didn't say that, now did I.
Usually when you shutdown the OS you shutdown the system.
On the next power-up S.M.A.R.T. will be off again until the OS is up.

They dont do that.

Power-off does that, silly. Do you ever have a clue?

Only to trolls that expect others behave the way they do.



Nope.


You're the one assuming that SMART is turned off on the drive
when Everest and MBM arent running.

Never said that. Makes you the silly one, ain't it.

That is just plain wrong.

Yes you are indeed.

 

[Rod Speed]

Didn't say that, now did I.

Yes you did.

Usually when you shutdown the OS you shutdown the system.

Wrong again. I hardly ever do that.

On the next power-up S.M.A.R.T. will be off again until the OS is up.

Wrong again if nothing turns it off.

Power-off does that, silly.

No it doesnt. Nothing turns the SMART off on most systems.

Yep.

Never said that.

Lying, as always. The SMART data isnt incomplete.

You pig ignorantly claimed

Wrong.

<reams of your puerile shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it
belongs>