S.M.A.R.T. Capability

Andy · Nov 26, 2005

To All Cognoscenti, Greetings!

When running Norton Ghost, the opening screen displays the following for
both HDDs: "S.M.A.R.T. capability disabled." Should I be concerned? If so,
how can I enable S.M.A.R.T. capability in Windows XP Prof?

Thanks in advance.

Andy

The Outsider · Nov 26, 2005

To All Cognoscenti, Greetings!

When running Norton Ghost, the opening screen displays the following for
both HDDs: "S.M.A.R.T. capability disabled." Should I be concerned? If so,
how can I enable S.M.A.R.T. capability in Windows XP Prof?

Thanks in advance.

Andy

You enable it in the bios. You can use Everest to read the SMART
readings.

http://www.lavalys.com/

Rod Speed · Nov 26, 2005

Andy said:
To All Cognoscenti, Greetings!

Still not a wog.

When running Norton Ghost, the opening screen displays the following
for both HDDs: "S.M.A.R.T. capability disabled." Should I be concerned?

Nope, I prefer to check the SMART status manually ocassionally using Everest.

If so, how can I enable S.M.A.R.T. capability in Windows XP Prof?

Its not done in the OS, its done in the bios.

Andy · Nov 27, 2005

Thanks to all. I use both Everest and MBM5, so I'll just continue my old
routine.

Andy

Folkert Rienstra · Dec 3, 2005

Rod Speed said:
Still not a wog.
Whatever.

Nope, I prefer to check the SMART status manually ocassionally using Everest.

Its not done in the OS,

Of course you can (using an application).

its done in the bios.

It can be done there too.

Folkert Rienstra · Dec 4, 2005

Andy said:
Thanks to all. I use both Everest and MBM5, so I'll just continue my old
routine.

To what point, if S.M.A.R.T. is disabled?

Andy · Dec 4, 2005

Folkert Rienstra said:
To what point, if S.M.A.R.T. is disabled?

Both Everest and MBM5 work with S.M.A.R.T. disabled.

Folkert Rienstra · Dec 4, 2005

Andy said:
Both Everest and MBM5 work with S.M.A.R.T. disabled.

Now read that back, very slowly.

Odie Ferrous · Dec 4, 2005

Folkert said:
Now read that back, very slowly.

..d.e.l.b.a.s.i.d .T.R.A.M.S .h.t.i.w .k.r.o.w
..5.M.B.M .d.n.a .t.s.e.r.e.v.E .h.t.o.B

I just did.

What's your point Folkert? Kematherapy getting to your brain?

You stupid little man.

Odie

Folkert Rienstra · Dec 8, 2005

Odie Ferrous said:
.d.e.l.b.a.s.i.d .T.R.A.M.S .h.t.i.w .k.r.o.w
.5.M.B.M .d.n.a .t.s.e.r.e.v.E .h.t.o.B

Who said anything about backwards.

I just did.

Obviously not.

What's your point Folkert? Kematherapy getting to your brain?

Hey, at least I have one. Can the same be said of you.

You stupid little man.

The 'stupid little man' is the one that thinks that a SMART disabled
drive will still update any counters and that that info will be of any use.

Geez.

Andy · Dec 11, 2005

Folkert Rienstra said:
Who said anything about backwards.

Obviously not.

Hey, at least I have one. Can the same be said of you.

The 'stupid little man' is the one that thinks that a SMART disabled
drive will still update any counters and that that info will be of any
use.

Geez.

I may be a "stupid little man" (even an old fart), but I can read displays
and make simple deductions. When I put my backup HDD in its removable rack
in its place, the display shows around 20C, which is room temperature in our
house. This temperature then starts to climb slowly until it settles
somewhere in the high 20s. Opening the case makes all temperature displays
drop drastically. Makes sense to me.

Arno Wagner · Dec 11, 2005

You enable it in the bios. You can use Everest to read the SMART
readings.

http://www.lavalys.com/

I agree to this. May vendors ship with SMART off. Just turn it on.

Arno

ANTant · Dec 12, 2005

To All Cognoscenti, Greetings!

I agree to this. May vendors ship with SMART off. Just turn it on.

Why do they do this?
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Arno Wagner · Dec 12, 2005

Why do they do this?

Of course nobody but them knows. I think it cannot be in the
best interest of the customer. It is the first thing I turn
back on, including the offline-data collection (automatic
self-test, usually every 4 hours or so).

There are a lot of bad practices out there, that hurt the customer.
But apparently the customer does not know enough to understand
what is going on and so they may actually be beneficial from
a business perspective.

For example I have now seen several devices with self-destruct
mechanisms. One was a 3000 USD Somy Vaio laptop, definitely not low
end (its chipset was rigged to run hot enough to die about 1...1.5
years after purchase). I will never buy anythign from them again/
Another one (a long time ago) was a PC that had two conventional
betteries over the mainboard. After 2-3 Years they would start leaking
acid onto it. I have seen other instances.

I don't trust technology vendors. To many important decision my
management that is only interested in profits. To little decisions by
engineers that want to make a good product.

Arno

Folkert Rienstra · Dec 12, 2005

Andy said:
I may be a "stupid little man" (even an old fart), but I can read displays
and make simple deductions.

You think so? What about the just that little bit more demanding ones?

When I put my backup HDD in its removable rack
in its place, the display shows around 20C, which is room temperature
in our house. This temperature then starts to climb slowly until it settles
somewhere in the high 20s.
Opening the case makes all temperature displays drop drastically.

So obviously S.M.A.R.T. is enabled at hat particular moment.
Says nothing about how long it was enabled, which is key in
what meaning can be given to the values displayed.

Makes sense to me.

Uhuh.
So both Everest and MBM5 obviously enable SMART first to be able to
display the values. Your SMART history will be as long as you have run
Everest or MBM5 for up to that particular moment. As soon as you switch
off and switch on the nextday or whenever you do, SMART is off again,
and no error accounting is done unless/until you run MBM5 or Everest again.

J. Clarke · Dec 12, 2005

Arno said:
Of course nobody but them knows. I think it cannot be in the
best interest of the customer. It is the first thing I turn
back on, including the offline-data collection (automatic
self-test, usually every 4 hours or so).

There are a lot of bad practices out there, that hurt the customer.
But apparently the customer does not know enough to understand
what is going on and so they may actually be beneficial from
a business perspective.

For example I have now seen several devices with self-destruct
mechanisms. One was a 3000 USD Somy Vaio laptop, definitely not low
end (its chipset was rigged to run hot enough to die about 1...1.5
years after purchase).

If I hadn't seen four Japanese light bulbs burn out within 4 hours of each
other I wouldn't buy that that was deliberate, but the Japanese may just be
that good.

I will never buy anythign from them again/
Another one (a long time ago) was a PC that had two conventional
betteries over the mainboard.

I'd be very surprised if that was _designed_ to fail after a given time.
More likely just somebody wasn't thinking.

Peter · Dec 12, 2005

If I hadn't seen four Japanese light bulbs burn out within 4 hours of each

other I wouldn't buy that that was deliberate, but the Japanese may just be
that good.

Yeah. Something like that happened to me. Few bulbs burned within seconds of
each other. It appeared that I have applied too high voltage by mistake.
Bulbs were GE, but I wouldn't make simillar statement.

Arno Wagner · Dec 12, 2005

Previously J. Clarke said:
Arno Wagner wrote:

Previously said:

To All Cognoscenti, Greetings!

Click to expand...

[...]
For example I have now seen several devices with self-destruct
mechanisms. One was a 3000 USD Somy Vaio laptop, definitely not low
end (its chipset was rigged to run hot enough to die about 1...1.5
years after purchase).

Click to expand...

If I hadn't seen four Japanese light bulbs burn out within 4 hours of each
other I wouldn't buy that that was deliberate, but the Japanese may just be
that good.

I'd be very surprised if that was _designed_ to fail after a given time.
More likely just somebody wasn't thinking.

Well, maybe. But both alternetives are unacceptable. And in case
of the batteries I am pretty sure, since they were hidden away,
the ''non sealed'' type (which is harder to get, at least here)
and not mentioned in the manual.

As for the vaio, it had ather design flaws pointing to incompetent
engineers, so that may just have been it. Still at that price I
expect competent designers to be used. If not that also constitutes
a reason to avoid their products.

Arno

Andy · Dec 12, 2005

Folkert Rienstra said:
You think so? What about the just that little bit more demanding ones?

So obviously S.M.A.R.T. is enabled at hat particular moment.
Says nothing about how long it was enabled, which is key in
what meaning can be given to the values displayed.

Uhuh.
So both Everest and MBM5 obviously enable SMART first to be able to
display the values. Your SMART history will be as long as you have run
Everest or MBM5 for up to that particular moment. As soon as you switch
off and switch on the nextday or whenever you do, SMART is off again,
and no error accounting is done unless/until you run MBM5 or Everest
again.

Nope. Both MBM5 and Everest are active all the time, at least on my system.
Their icons appear in the system tray, and they squawk when temperature
limits are exceeded. And the Everest log doesn't get lost when you reboot.

Andy

Folkert Rienstra · Dec 12, 2005

Andy said:
Nope. Both MBM5 and Everest are active all the time,

at least on my system.

So you say now. That wasn't all that obvious.
Particularly in relation to your original question.

Their icons appear in the system tray, and they squawk when temperature
limits are exceeded.

So you actually use them to enable S.M.A.R.T. for the time that the OS is up.
That wasn't apparent from the start.

So then, you actually knew the answer to your question already when you asked it.
That question is now starting to appear as troll's bait.

And the Everest log doesn't get lost when you reboot.

Never said it would. Your drive's SMART history will be incomplete
which may lead to incorrect conclusions if you happen to present it
in future questions without saying how you used it.

S.M.A.R.T. Capability

Andy

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