re-installing

[Guest]

Hi; ihad writen before , i bought a clone computewr that didnt bring a
recovery disk, so i went and bought a new windows xp pro w/ sp2 software
wicth is what i have in my computer, my question is it brought a medium size
chip or hardware as they call it do i have to install this hardware and is
there anything i have to do to install the sftware, like cleaning the drive
or something. Please help. Thank you John A.

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

Hi; ihad writen before , i bought a clone computewr that didnt bring a
recovery disk, so i went and bought a new windows xp pro w/ sp2 software
wicth is what i have in my computer,

OK, I'm with you so far.

my question is it brought a medium size
chip or hardware as they call it

But I'm lost here. I don't know what you mean. Can you elaborate?

do i have to install this hardware

What hardware?

and is
there anything i have to do to install the sftware,

What software?

like cleaning the drive
or something. Please help. Thank you John A.

Please explain exactly what you are asking.

 

[Gordon]

OK, I'm with you so far.




But I'm lost here. I don't know what you mean. Can you elaborate?




What hardware?

I suspect the OP has been sold an OEM copy with a chip of some sort as
"qualifying hardware"

 

[Guest]

I suspect the OP has been sold an OEM copy with a chip of some sort as
"qualifying hardware"


yes i was sold oem copy itried to install but since i have the old xp software installed im having problems. How do i uninstall the old software w/o disk

 

[Gordon]

You don't. You boot from the CD and from there you can re-format the hard
disk prior to installing your new version...

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

I suspect the OP has been sold an OEM copy with a chip of some sort as
"qualifying hardware"

Maybe, but I prefer not to guess, and would rather he told us.
Moreover, even if what you say is correct, I would like to know
exactly what it is that he got.

 

[Guest]

I suspect the OP has been sold an OEM copy with a chip of some sort as
"qualifying hardware"

yes i bought it from ebay, according to the they have to send a gualifing hardware.

 

[Guest]

Maybe, but I prefer not to guess, and would rather he told us.
Moreover, even if what you say is correct, I would like to know
exactly what it is that he got.

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

Tried doing what? Exactly how did you try? Please be very explicit
when you ask for help. If you make us guess what you did, and we guess
wrong, we are likely to give you bad advice.

but it did not let me reformat the drive .

Again, what does "it did not let me" mean. Exactly *how* did you try?
Exactly what happened when you tried? If you got an error message,
please quote it verbatim.

by the way the cd i bought from ebay its called
a holografic cd if that helps. am i doing something
wrong in reformatting my drive ?

Probably, but you first have to tell us what you're doing.

Can you tell me hows it done Thank you for youll help

You still have not answered my first question. You asked "do i have to
install this hardware?" and I replied aski8ng "What hardware?"

I'll be glad to help, but you first have to help me to help you.

 

[Guest]

Tried doing what? Exactly how did you try? Please be very explicit
when you ask for help. If you make us guess what you did, and we guess
wrong, we are likely to give you bad advice.




Again, what does "it did not let me" mean. Exactly *how* did you try?
Exactly what happened when you tried? If you got an error message,
please quote it verbatim.




Probably, but you first have to tell us what you're doing.





You still have not answered my first question. You asked "do i have to
install this hardware?" and I replied aski8ng "What hardware?"

I'll be glad to help, but you first have to help me to help you.

 

[Bruce Chambers]

Ok i purchased a cd software of windows xp pro from ebay its actually a clean install but with the cd it came a piece of hardware that looks like a memory module for a computer but smaller, the info that came with the package did not say anything about the module or chip,....

Now it starts to become a little clearer! It would appear that you've
gambled on getting legitmate software on eBay and been rewarded with an
OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) installation CD, accompanied by a
piece of hardware. (The fact that this hardware, based on your
description, doesn't truly qualify for an OEM license isn't your fault;
it's the seller who may be committing fraud.

i tried installing the software but the only two options it gives me is install the new software buit there is the other widows xp installed and wont let me the other option is to repair the software installed already but this one is missing to many files so it does not repair it.

Correct. An OEM installation CD can either perform a clean
installation, or repair another, salvageable installation. The latter
option does not work, so you'll have to perform the clean installation.

After backing up any data you wish to transfer to the new OS
installation, simply boot from the WinXP installation CD. You'll be
offered the opportunity to delete, create, and format partitions as part
of the installation process. (You may need to re-arrange the order of
boot devices in the PC's BIOS to boot from the CD.)

HOW TO Install Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;en-us;316941

http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html

http://www.webtree.ca/windowsxp/clean_install.htm

Then the backed up data can be restored and applications re-installed.

I guess i need to do a clean sweep of my drive but i dont know how,.....

Correct. Follow the instructions on the web sites listed above.

i dont have the disk to reformat.

You don't have *what* disk? You've just said that you bought one from
eBay. No other disk should be needed, as all legitimate WinXP
installation CDs are bootable.

... by the way i believe i dnt need the hardware or chip or do i.

No, that was just the seller's attempt to make the sale of an OEM
license legitimate, or to as least seem that way. OEM versions must be
sold with a piece of non-peripheral hardware (normally a motherboard,
RAM modules, or a hard drive) if not an entire PC.


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[Ken Blake, MVP]

Ok i purchased a cd software of windows xp pro from ebay its
actually a clean install but with the cd it came a piece of
hardware that looks like a memory module for a computer but
smaller,

Well you still have answered all my questions, but I think there's
enough info that I can make intelligent guesses as to what's going on.
Ignore the hardware, or throw it away. You presumably bought an OEM
copy (which I never recommend), and that requires that you get
hardware with it; they sent that to make it legal, as Gordon
suggested. You don't need it.

the info that came with the package did not say anything about
the module or chip,

i tried installing the software

You still have not explained exactly *how*, but from the rest of this
sentence, I'll guess that you tried to install it from within Windows.
You can *not* do it that way.

but the only two options it gives me is install the new software
buit there is the other widows xp installed and wont let me

That's because you're doing it wrong.

the other option is to repair the software installed already
but this one is missing to many files so it does not repair it.
I guess i need to do a clean sweep of my drive but i dont know
how, i dont have the disk to reformat.

Yes, you do have it. It's the Windows CD itself.

You can't format the Windows drive from within Windows, since that
would leave Windows without a leg to stand on.

Just boot from the Windows XP CD (change the BIOS boot order if
necessary to accomplish this) and follow the prompts for a clean
installation (delete the existing partition by pressing "D" when
prompted, then create a new one).

You can find detailed instructions here:
http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html

or here
http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org/how_do_i_install_windows_xp.htm

or here http://windowsxp.mvps.org/XPClean.htm

or here http://www.webtree.ca/windowsxp/clean_install.htm

by the way i believe i dnt need the hardware or chip or do i.

No, you don't.

 

[Vanguard]

...

I suspect the OP has been sold an OEM copy with a chip of some sort as
"qualifying hardware"

So if it was an OEM version purchased with qualifying hardware, and from
I've seen in the EULA, doesn't that qualifying hardware have to become
incorporated into the computer in which the OP wants to use that OEM
version of Windows? Would've been better if the OP had purchased a
drive cable to put inside the box so the license for Windows went with
it. Obviously the OP can just toss the chip and just install the OEM
version of Windows.

 

[Vanguard]

in message

yes i bought it from ebay, according to the they have to send a
gualifing hardware.

The qualifying hardware is supposed to be purchased first (or first in
consideration) and the Windows license goes with it. Supposedly that
qualifying hardware gets used in your computer so the accompanying
Windows license gets incorporated into the computer. However, what
probably happened is that you never did specify what qualifying hardware
to get (that you could actually use) and the seller just grab something
out of some scrap bin to include under the guise of qualifying hardware.
At this point, just toss the qualifying hardware. There's a good chance
that it won't work even if it does fit into your computer.

Since you bought it on eBay and if it wasn't too long ago, what is the
URL to the auction? Further replies would be better focused if those
you ask actually could see what got sold.

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

in message news:%[email protected]...

So if it was an OEM version purchased with qualifying hardware, and from
I've seen in the EULA, doesn't that qualifying hardware have to become
incorporated into the computer in which the OP wants to use that OEM
version of Windows?

Nope. The EULA does not say that.

 

[Vanguard]

Nope. The EULA does not say that.

"The term "COMPUTER" as used herein shall mean the HARDWARE, if the
HARDWARE is a single computer system, or shall mean the computer system
with which the HARDWARE operates, if the HARDWARE is a computer system
component."

"Except as otherwise expressly provided in this EULA, you may install,
use, access, display and run only one (1) copy of the SOFTWARE on the
COMPUTER."

Sure looks like the [qualifying] HARDWARE used to purchase the OEM
version of Windows must be *in* the COMPUTER in which that HARDWARE
operates. A drive cable or chip with the license of Windows won't be
running that copy of Windows all by itself. The qualifying hardware is
supposed to get put into the computer in which Windows will then
function. In addition, and was pointed out by another MVP:

"The SOFTWARE is licensed with the COMPUTER as a single integrated
product and may only be used with the COMPUTER."

Before I read that, I figured the Windows licensed remain tied to the
qualifying hardware which meant that I could move that license of
Windows to another box (i.e., wipe from one box and install on another
as long as the qualifying hardware moved, too). I had thought the
license wouldn't get usurped by the computer once the qualifying
hardware, as the system component, got installed in a computer. The
above means the license does move from the qualifying hardware to the
COMPUTER (which, again, the definition of which is *with* the qualifying
hardware installed into that computer).

Yeah, the OP must install the chip per the license requirement but
obviously probably shouldn't. It's probably non-working junk. It isn't
the buyer's fault that the seller defrauded their OEM reseller contract
with Microsoft.

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

Nope. The EULA does not say that.

"The term "COMPUTER" as used herein shall mean the HARDWARE, if the
HARDWARE is a single computer system, or shall mean the computer system
with which the HARDWARE operates, if the HARDWARE is a computer system
component."

"Except as otherwise expressly provided in this EULA, you may install,
use, access, display and run only one (1) copy of the SOFTWARE on the
COMPUTER."

Sure looks like the [qualifying] HARDWARE used to purchase the OEM
version of Windows must be *in* the COMPUTER in which that HARDWARE
operates.

Sorry, I don't see anything in those two paragraphs that says that to
me.

 

[Vanguard]

in message

"The term "COMPUTER" as used herein shall mean the HARDWARE, if the
HARDWARE is a single computer system, or shall mean the computer
system
with which the HARDWARE operates, if the HARDWARE is a computer
system
component."

"Except as otherwise expressly provided in this EULA, you may
install,
use, access, display and run only one (1) copy of the SOFTWARE on the
COMPUTER."

Sure looks like the [qualifying] HARDWARE used to purchase the OEM
version of Windows must be *in* the COMPUTER in which that HARDWARE
operates.

Sorry, I don't see anything in those two paragraphs that says that to
me.

"The SOFTWARE is licensed with the COMPUTER as a single integrated
product and may only be used with the COMPUTER."

So rephrase the 1st paragraph to get rid of all the commas to eliminate
pending clauses along with focusing on just the qualifying HARDWARE used
to get the OEM license:

"If the HARDWARE is a computer system component then the term COMPUTER
shall mean the computer system in which the HARDWARE operates".

The qualifying hardware is the system component; i.e., the hardware is
supposed to go into the computer in which the license of Windows get
used. Hardware that sits disconnected while sitting in a drawer
somewhere is not a system component of the COMPUTER. In the other
paragraph of:

"The SOFTWARE is licensed with the COMPUTER as a single integrated
product and may only be used with the COMPUTER."

the "as a single integrated product" applies against COMPUTER, not
SOFTWARE.

 

[Bruce Chambers]

Nope. The EULA does not say that.

Actually, Ken, I think it does say that, in a non-direct way:

"SOFTWARE PRODUCT LICENSE

"The term "COMPUTER" as used herein shall mean the HARDWARE, if
the HARDWARE is a single computer system, or shall mean the
computer system with which the HARDWARE operates, if the
HARDWARE is a computer system component.

1. GRANT OF LICENSE. Manufacturer grants you the following
rights, provided you comply with all of the terms and
conditions of this EULA:

* Installation and Use. Except as otherwise expressly
provided in this EULA, you may install, use, access,
display and run only one (1) copy of the SOFTWARE on
the COMPUTER."


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[Bruce Chambers]

Yeah, the OP must install the chip per the license requirement but
obviously probably shouldn't. It's probably non-working junk. It isn't
the buyer's fault that the seller defrauded their OEM reseller contract
with Microsoft.

I agree with your reading of the EULA, but I somehow doubt the eBay
seller has any sort of reseller contract with Microsoft....


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