Question: Integrated Vs. Add-on Options

[kony]

Most people.

yeah, "most people" can expect to drive to work tomorrow without getting
in a traffic accident too, but some won't make it.

Well, I believe that if putting a PC together was as easy as I said,
that proportion would swing greatly in the direction
"do-it-your-selfers".

Fair enough, the more you do it the easier it gets. Just do it. You won't
learn anything about fixing configuration issues if you never have any.

Basically, it comes down to if what I'm looking for is available, and
so far it doesn't seem so.

Dude, get a Dell.

If I had that may parts, perhaps I could say the same thing.

You're missing the point... it's not that I'd have to swap parts to get it
working, but rather just blindly reach in and grab "something" expecting
it to work.

Actually the reason was specific. Integrated options to fall back on
until I get relatively high-end cards, or if I have configuration
problems.

Fair enough, but with the plan to get cards eventually you might consider
a non-mATX motherboard, and something a bit better than Biostar (which is
just about any name-brand).

You're assuming too much. I never said I have an apprehension of the
whole "build-a-system process".

Ummmm, this thread is evidence of that apprehension. In less time than it
took for you and I to write/reply to this thread, the parts could've been
ordered or assembled, you could be done right now.

If anything I have an apprehension of
big name manufactured systems. And the idea is to make this the last
32 bit system I build, before 64 bit takes over. So obviously I'll
want to have a minimum ceiling as for a processor when the time comes
to squeeze as much as I can out of the system.

Fair enough, then get an Athlon board that supports DDR400 or P4 board
supporting QDR800, too often called 800 "MHz". Buy from a manufacturer
that offers timely bios updates... check their website for their track
record with current and aging boards, if they didn't support "squeezing as
much as I can" (which I assume to mean a CPU upgrade) out of their past
boards, you shouldn't expect them to do so with current boards.

Asus, Abit, MSI or Gigabyte would be better choices than Biostar.

That is what this is all about. I was searching for an integrated mobo
that has all the features I need. But it may not exist.

But you never mentiond what specific features, performance levels you
need... you're being unproductive.

I've also been looking at the Asus P4P800* and P4C800*, but I'm told
that Intel mobos would be more reliable, and tend to have more
integrated features.

Then buy an Intel board.

Well if I get into gaming next year, I'd have to spring for a high-end
video card.

OK?

 

[Darren Harris]

yeah, "most people" can expect to drive to work tomorrow without getting
in a traffic accident too, but some won't make it.

I would think that there is a higher chance of running into a
configuration problem than getting into a car accident.

Fair enough, the more you do it the easier it gets. Just do it. You won't
learn anything about fixing configuration issues if you never have any.

That's right. But since that isn't the case...

Dude, get a Dell.

I have enough crap.

You're missing the point... it's not that I'd have to swap parts to get it
working, but rather just blindly reach in and grab "something" expecting
it to work.

What happened to all the research first?

Fair enough, but with the plan to get cards eventually you might consider
a non-mATX motherboard, and something a bit better than Biostar (which is
just about any name-brand).

A "non-mATX" motherboard? The only PCBs I'm looking at now are Intel,
Asus, Abit, Gigabyte, and MSI.

Ummmm, this thread is evidence of that apprehension.

No. It's evidence of me attempting to find a solution to possible
problems that I may encounter while building a system.

In less time than it

took for you and I to write/reply to this thread, the parts could've been
ordered or assembled, you could be done right now.

I'm doing my research first.

Fair enough, then get an Athlon board that supports DDR400 or P4 board
supporting QDR800, too often called 800 "MHz". Buy from a manufacturer
that offers timely bios updates... check their website for their track
record with current and aging boards, if they didn't support "squeezing as
much as I can" (which I assume to mean a CPU upgrade) out of their past
boards, you shouldn't expect them to do so with current boards.

Asus, Abit, MSI or Gigabyte would be better choices than Biostar.

No argument there.

But you never mentiond what specific features, performance levels you
need... you're being unproductive.

Incorrect. I mentioned the important thing. *Integrated options*. Then
from there I'll narrow it down further by considering the specific
features and performance levels.

Then buy an Intel board.

I'm thinking about it.

OK?

Ok.

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

 

[kony]

I would think that there is a higher chance of running into a
configuration problem than getting into a car accident.

Depends on how you drive ;-)

I have enough crap.

I'm not particularly fond of Dells, but their systems are better than what
you linked previously.

What happened to all the research first?

Exactly my point... no problems even without the research, so why in the
world are you worrying about the unknown instead of just doing the
research (of specific parts) then making the purchase decision.

A "non-mATX" motherboard? The only PCBs I'm looking at now are Intel,
Asus, Abit, Gigabyte, and MSI.

You don't have the background to build a system.
If you did, you'd know mATX is a form factor, and non-mATX would mean, NOT
the mATX form factor, since it will limit expansion due to a limited
number of PCI slots and often other feature reductions.

No. It's evidence of me attempting to find a solution to possible
problems that I may encounter while building a system.

You've gone mad.

In less time than it

I'm doing my research first.

That's just it, you're not doing the research, you're spinning your wheels
whithout getting anywhere. Research specific parts.

Let's look at the basic fundamentals of it:

List the features you need... none of this "what if" crap, just write down
the features you want on a board and group them by importance.

Consider the applications and price-point, what platform you want to run.
Read reviews of appropriate boards and visit the manufacturer's website.
Read the bios notes. Go to a motherboard forum and see what issues
current owners of the board are dealing with. Do some google searches.
you should have a few boards under consideration and be dwindling that
list down to one or two, depending on whether specific feature set or
price is more important.

No argument there.

Then did you do any research on their offerings?
You should buy a Dell.

Incorrect. I mentioned the important thing. *Integrated options*. Then
from there I'll narrow it down further by considering the specific
features and performance levels.

You're being unproductive and you never mentioned specifics. If you can't
understand that then you should buy a Dell.

I'm thinking about it.

LOL.
Are you researching it? A SPECIFIC board?

Ok.

OK!

A Dell with an Intel board.

Maybe there is only one good, short answer:

No, integrated features do not have configuration issues, specific boards
and parts combinations do. The way to address your concerns is
researching specific components, not the generalizations you're trying to
make, or rather looking for.

 

[Darren Harris]

Depends on how you drive ;-)


I'm not particularly fond of Dells, but their systems are better than what
you linked previously.



Exactly my point... no problems even without the research, so why in the
world are you worrying about the unknown instead of just doing the
research (of specific parts) then making the purchase decision.

This post wasn't about specific parts. It was about integrated vs.
add-on options.

You don't have the background to build a system.
If you did, you'd know mATX is a form factor, and non-mATX would mean, NOT
the mATX form factor, since it will limit expansion due to a limited
number of PCI slots and often other feature reductions.

I know what ATX is. It just had nothing to do with what I was talking
about.

You've gone mad.

How's that?

That's just it, you're not doing the research, you're spinning your wheels
whithout getting anywhere. Research specific parts.

Wrong. Again this is about configuration problems(which is a genreal
issue). You kkep mentioning researching specific parts. I know what
features I want. And anyone who has any experinece building ysstems
would know that researching won't tell you every specific
configuration problem you will have, because all systems are not
exactly the same.

Let's look at the basic fundamentals of it:

List the features you need... none of this "what if" crap, just write down
the features you want on a board and group them by importance.

I know what features I want, and that has nothing to do with the
original question.

Consider the applications and price-point, what platform you want to run.
Read reviews of appropriate boards and visit the manufacturer's website.
Read the bios notes. Go to a motherboard forum and see what issues
current owners of the board are dealing with. Do some google searches.
you should have a few boards under consideration and be dwindling that
list down to one or two, depending on whether specific feature set or
price is more important.

You're still off track.

Then did you do any research on their offerings?
You should buy a Dell.

Are you a Dell employee?

You're being unproductive and you never mentioned specifics. If you can't
understand that then you should buy a Dell.

I believe I already covered this.

LOL.
Are you researching it? A SPECIFIC board?

Who cares about a specific board when the original question was a
general one?

OK!

A Dell with an Intel board.

Maybe there is only one good, short answer:

No, integrated features do not have configuration issues, specific boards
and parts combinations do.

What's your point?

The way to address your concerns is

researching specific components, not the generalizations you're trying to
make, or rather looking for.

Wrong again. The original question was valid. You seem to be the only
one who doesn't understand it.

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

 

[kony]

This post wasn't about specific parts. It was about integrated vs.
add-on options.

You don't say?
LOL
I'm well aware of that, but it's still not sinking in, that you need to be
concentrating on specifics, specific hardware, because a vague
generalization is not too useful when applied to specific situations,
especially when you seem to be trying to buy a cheap system then later
hope it'll be upgradable.

How's that?

If I knew, I might win the Nobel prize, but the drug companies would be
after me then, too much $ involved. ;-)

Wrong. Again this is about configuration problems(which is a genreal
issue).

Ok, let us know when your issues (umm, "problems") are resolved, so you
can get on with choosing some parts.

You keep mentioning researching specific parts. I know what
features I want. And anyone who has any experinece building ysstems
would know that researching won't tell you every specific
configuration problem you will have, because all systems are not
exactly the same.
Dell?


I know what features I want, and that has nothing to do with the
original question.

Sometimes people ask questions that're incompatible with the goal and need
some tips from people who can manage to just build 'em, period. How many
ways does it need to be written before you understand that your question
isn't answerable in a vague overgeneralized way that will still apply to
specific component combinations, that you need to research specific parts?

The information you seek is only useful towards the end of configuring a
system, and to that end, the specific parts matter.

You're still off track.

The track wasn't going to the station, it was a dead-end.

Are you a Dell employee?

Would that help you make up your mind?
No, but if I were, I'd tell you to buy an HP.

I believe I already covered this.

Then snip it out of the post, get right down to the point.

Who cares about a specific board when the original question was a
general one?

.... anyone who realizes the question has to be answered contextually to
have any validity

What's your point?

If you haven't figured it out yet it seems unlikely that you will anytime
soon. Perhaps you need to build a few dozen, hundred or more systems then
come back and tell us what you've learned, and then tell us how you'd
answer such a vague opening post when the answer varies based on the
specifics.

The way to address your concerns is

Wrong again. The original question was valid. You seem to be the only
one who doesn't understand it.

It's sad when someone as ignorant about setting up systems as you are,
takes this attitude. Let's look at the original question one last time
and then you can sit and ponder why you don't have a working system yet,
nor are any closer to having one except for any further reasearch you
might've done, which is what I advised all along.

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"Can anyone tell if if integrated options on a motherbaord, like video,
audio, firewire, ect., a better idea than using add-on cards if the
priority is to avoid configuration problems when building a system?"
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The answer to your question is:

"No, nobody can tell without further info. We could guess or base the
answer on past experiences with specific parts but it wouldn't be
applicable to different, specific parts combinations."

That's it, the whole answer you've been longing for!
Now go buy that Dell !

 

[Darren Harris]

You don't say?
LOL
I'm well aware of that, but it's still not sinking in, that you need to be
concentrating on specifics, specific hardware, because a vague
generalization is not too useful when applied to specific situations,
especially when you seem to be trying to buy a cheap system then later
hope it'll be upgradable.

It's not for you to tell me what I need to be concentrating on. And
no one is applying a "vague generalization" to "specific situations".
Nothing "specific" was asked about.

If I knew, I might win the Nobel prize, but the drug companies would be
after me then, too much $ involved. ;-)

What are you smoking?

Ok, let us know when your issues (umm, "problems") are resolved, so you
can get on with choosing some parts.

I have no problems.(outside of you debating things that have nothing
to do with why I posted).

Dell?

That may be your answer to everything, but some of us are into systems
that are more conducive to what we may need.

Sometimes people ask questions that're incompatible with the goal and need
some tips from people who can manage to just build 'em, period.

And who would they be? You don't know the goal(which is plainly stated
in the post that stated this thread), so you definitely wouldn't have
any tips.

How many ways does it need to be written before you understand that your question
isn't answerable in a vague overgeneralized way that will still apply to
specific component combinations, that you need to research specific parts?

Well "Dick Sidbury" and "Christopher Pollard" answered my question.
But then again. unlike you, they understood it.

The information you seek is only useful towards the end of configuring a
system, and to that end, the specific parts matter.



The track wasn't going to the station, it was a dead-end.

To some destination in your own mind.

Would that help you make up your mind?
No, but if I were, I'd tell you to buy an HP.

Dell employess are smarter than that.

Then snip it out of the post, get right down to the point.

The point? The point is obviously beyond what you can comprehend.

... anyone who realizes the question has to be answered contextually to
have any validity

Simple minds using complex words...

If you haven't figured it out yet it seems unlikely that you will anytime
soon. Perhaps you need to build a few dozen, hundred or more systems then
come back and tell us what you've learned, and then tell us how you'd
answer such a vague opening post when the answer varies based on the
specifics.

I realize that I can tell you ten more times that tthe original post
is not about specifics, but it obviously would still not get through,
because you are too dense. Why did you even bother.

It's sad when someone as ignorant about setting up systems as you are,
takes this attitude. Let's look at the original question one last time
and then you can sit and ponder why you don't have a working system yet,
nor are any closer to having one except for any further reasearch you
might've done, which is what I advised all along.

Duh... I haven't built a system yet. And I'll get to it when I get
ready. And don't bother looking "at the original question one last
time". That would be akin to Elmer Fudd attempting to figure out
particle physics

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"Can anyone tell if if integrated options on a motherbaord, like video,
audio, firewire, ect., a better idea than using add-on cards if the
priority is to avoid configuration problems when building a system?"
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The answer to your question is:

"No, nobody can tell without further info. We could guess or base the
answer on past experiences with specific parts but it wouldn't be
applicable to different, specific parts combinations."

That's it, the whole answer you've been longing for!
Now go buy that Dell !

Still wrong. "Just say no".

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

 

[~misfit~]

Wrong. Again this is about configuration problems(which is a genreal
issue). You kkep mentioning researching specific parts. I know what
features I want. And anyone who has any experinece building ysstems
would know that researching won't tell you every specific
configuration problem you will have, because all systems are not
exactly the same.

Get an nForce2 Ultra 400 board, specifically a Soltek one. I'm yet to have
*any* configuration problems with one.

Intel is over-priced shite anyway.

 

[~misfit~]

Darren Harris wrote:

You sir, are an idiot. One of the most knowledgable people in this NG is
trying to give you good advice and you are insulting him.

You haven't built a PC and you are rubbishing someone who does it for a
living? Try alt.computer.hardware.just-dreaming.

 

[kony]

Well "Dick Sidbury" and "Christopher Pollard" answered my question.
But then again. unlike you, they understood it.

You're not the brightest bulb in the socket are you?
You asked a question that you expected would have a clear, black and
white, true or false answer, then got all wound up when your ignorance
prevents you from understanding that:

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The (issue of configuration problems) involves more variables than just
whether the features are integrated or not, and an ever increasing number
of variables with your plan to later upgrade.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

You seemed to insist that I provide the answer you wanted instead of an
accurate one. There's only so much I can dumb down an answer so someone
who can't even get a single system built, so that they will understand it,
without it being an overly misleading or inaccurate response.

 

[Erez Volach]

DaveW wrote:




What a wide ranging and crap statement that is! If office use is all the
machine is going to be used for then on-board graphics are fine. If it's a
home machine and a little light gaming may come into it then an nForce 2
mobo with integrated GeForce 4 graphics may be more than adequate.

I'm into gaming and wouldn't personally use on-board graphics but also I
wouldn't make such a broad statement as you did without knowing to what use
the computer is going to be put.

The question was quantified by "if the priority is to avoid configuration
problems when building a system". Doesn't say jack about gaming there does
it?

Generally speaking, most connectivity options are better (or just as well)
supported when integrated, compated to add-on cards. That includes IDE
(ATA), SATA, RAID, FireWire, USB2, sound etc...
Performance wise, they should all be similar to the equivalent discrete
device, except that it takes some more CPU cycles for the integrated device.
There is a significant difference if the device has fully independant
controllers and DSPs or is partly dependant on host processor.
Video cards are a bit of exception to this as they also stress the memory
subsystem (integrated ones rely on system memory). Almost any other device
uses PCI bus either on board (with traces going to southbridge) or discrete
(through PCI/ISA slot).
As mentioned earlier, the most advanced onboard video is nFORCE 2's, which
is equivalen to a GeForce4MX-440 (more or less), but even comparing that to
its equivalent, the discrete device puts not stress on system memory, and
probably less stress on CPU.

 

[Darren Harris]

Darren Harris wrote:

You sir, are an idiot. One of the most knowledgable people in this NG is
trying to give you good advice and you are insulting him.

You haven't built a PC and you are rubbishing someone who does it for a
living? Try alt.computer.hardware.just-dreaming.

No. You're an idiot.

My question was answered a long time ago by others, and he is just
trying to push my buttons.

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

 

[kony]

On 7 Mar 2004 02:33:50 -0800, (e-mail address removed)2.com (Darren Harris)
wrote:

... he is just
trying to push my buttons.

I didn't even have to try, you were pushing your own buttons.

Get that system built yet?

 

[Darren Harris]

You're not the brightest bulb in the socket are you?
You asked a question that you expected would have a clear, black and
white, true or false answer, then got all wound up when your ignorance
prevents you from understanding that:

I'm apparently a lot brighter than you. Your inability to comprehend
is astounding. And on the contrary. A "clear black and white answer"
which I received from others, was all that was needed. And you are the
one who got "all wound up" when your ignorance prevented you from
understanding the original question. If you did understand my
question, but didn't have an answer, you should not have posted, and
attacked my question.

The (issue of configuration problems) involves more variables than just
whether the features are integrated or not, and an ever increasing number
of variables with your plan to later upgrade.

The original question never mentioned any other variables. The
original question never mentioned what specific hardware I had. The
original question never mentioned what hardware I intended to get. The
original question never mentioned anything about upgrade
possibilities. The original question never mentioned what kind of
performance I was after. The original question never mentioned what I
wanted to use any system I may decide to build.

There were only three possible answers to the actual question I asked:
1) Integrated options tend to decrease the probability of
configuration problems.
2) Integrated options tend to increase the probability of
configuration problems.
3) It makes no difference.

That's it! There are no other good answers to such a general and
simple question, which was intentionally worded the way it was, so
that a moron wouldn't start responding to a question I didn't ask.(I
guess I underestimated you).

You seemed to insist that I provide the answer you wanted instead of an
accurate one. There's only so much I can dumb down an answer so someone
who can't even get a single system built, so that they will understand it,
without it being an overly misleading or inaccurate response.

I never "insisted" that you answer anything. You obviously couldn't
anyway. Nevertheless, it was your condescending and insulting
statements, as well as your need to get in the last word(even when you
are wrong) that have turn this thread into what it is.

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

 

[Darren Harris]

On 7 Mar 2004 02:33:50 -0800, (e-mail address removed)2.com (Darren Harris)
wrote:



I didn't even have to try, you were pushing your own buttons.

Get that system built yet?

I'll build a system when I get ready.

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

 

[BNILSSON]

To add on to the original question; Integrated v/s Add-on Options.
If I like to build a mini tower PC and would like to start with a
integrated mobo (sound, video and LAN) in order to save space and trying
not to get additional airflow restrictions, by adding more cards in to
the system (air flow) area, would this not be a good way to start?
If I then find out that I'm not satisfied, with any one of these
integrated features, could I then, not just uninstall the integrated
drivers for that individual integrated feature, in the device manager
and install a individual card, being it a sound, video or LAN card? and
install the drivers from that card!
Will there be any problem doing this? Will there be any type of
"conflict" or any demised performances, from the added cards?
Also, would it not be a good idea, to have these features, that is
already built in to the mobo, as a "backup", in case a add-on card would
take a crap?
Any help or info, on this part, will be appreciated!
Thanks
BN

 

[kony]

On 7 Mar 2004 17:21:31 -0800, (e-mail address removed)2.com (Darren Harris)
wrote:

There were only three possible answers to the actual question I asked:
1) Integrated options tend to decrease the probability of
configuration problems.
2) Integrated options tend to increase the probability of
configuration problems.
3) It makes no difference.

And none of them are accurate, there is no possible use for any of the
above answers.

If you had one integrated system that's more problematic than a
non-integrated, but a second integrated that's less problematic, which of
the above answers is correct? It can't be #3 if the 1st, more problematic
system was problematic due to the integration, on that PARTICULAR,
SPECIFIC motherboard it did make a difference.

So, we could put forth any statistics we have, take averages from PAST
hardware, or be overly vague like the question, and it wouldn't be
applicable to any specific hardware you're planning on buying tomorrow...
like it or not, the end result is what matters, how information is applied
in a useful way. Initially I actually wanted to help but at this point
I'd be laughing my ass off if you couldn't get the system running right
then turned to someone for help and pissed them off with your attitude.

I never "insisted" that you answer anything. You obviously couldn't
anyway. Nevertheless, it was your condescending and insulting
statements, as well as your need to get in the last word(even when you
are wrong) that have turn this thread into what it is.

There you go again...
I suppose you feel that is constructive?

Perhaps your ego was bruised by some of my comments, but remember that you
ARE the one who is fumbling around at building a single system. Like it
or not it IS a good idea for someone who has worries about configuration
to buy (something like) a Dell, where that work is done for you. It also
appeared necessary to drive home the point that no answer we give matters,
rather the specific parts do.

Configuration problems are more likely [when the person setting up the
system refuses to learn anything] than whether the motherboard is
integrated or not. A problem that's insurmountable to one person may not
be to another. Some systems are harder to configure but there's a vast
difference between having to do zero configuration, or resolving common
problems, or unresolvable problems (per specific hardware)... common to
some of us but possibly not to you. It isn't really condescending to
assume you don't know what you're doing since you're already made it clear
that you don't have the experience to answer your own question.

If we told you that configuration problems were much less likely on an
integrated board just to get you past this "issue" you have, get you
further along to actually doing something productive, then you went and
bought integrated parts, had some configuration problems, would you then
be happy?

Why am I even asking? You claim I wanted the last word but that's not
really true, I was simply wanting you to realize that there is no point to
your question, it's irrelevant compared to the research of specific
components. When you post in a public forum you're going to get any kind
of feedback that the person replying wishes to give... if you can't handle
that then start your own forum where you can be the moderator.

Regardless, I'll gladly let you have the last word, no more wasting my
time on this thread.

 

[Darren Harris]

On 7 Mar 2004 17:21:31 -0800, (e-mail address removed)2.com (Darren Harris)
wrote:



And none of them are accurate, there is no possible use for any of the
above answers.

If you had one integrated system that's more problematic than a
non-integrated, but a second integrated that's less problematic, which of
the above answers is correct? It can't be #3 if the 1st, more problematic
system was problematic due to the integration, on that PARTICULAR,
SPECIFIC motherboard it did make a difference.

That is the stupidest thing you've said so far. Just when I thought
you've hit the ceiling, you raise the bar. The bottom line is that you
are still wrong. There is either an increase chance, a decreased
chance, or no significant change. Again, there are no other simple
answers to such the simple(and general) question which began this
thread. But I'm sure you still won't have a clue after reading this.

So, we could put forth any statistics we have, take averages from PAST
hardware, or be overly vague like the question, and it wouldn't be
applicable to any specific hardware you're planning on buying tomorrow...

The question was not "overly vague", because I didn't expect
definitive answers concerning specific hardware. Any moron would have
noticed by now that I never mentioned specific hardware.

like it or not, the end result is what matters, how information is applied
in a useful way. Initially I actually wanted to help but at this point
I'd be laughing my ass off if you couldn't get the system running right
then turned to someone for help and pissed them off with your attitude.

You're the troll here. Not me. And like I said, you would be incapable
of helping me *if* I needed help anyway.

There you go again...
I suppose you feel that is constructive?

No. Your condescending and insulting statements are not constructive.

Perhaps your ego was bruised by some of my comments, but remember that you
ARE the one who is fumbling around at building a single system. Like it
or not it IS a good idea for someone who has worries about configuration
to buy (something like) a Dell, where that work is done for you.

My ego is not "bruised". I'm not "fumbling around" at building a
system. And I have no "worries about configuration", idiot.

It also appeared necessary to drive home the point that no answer we give matters,
rather the specific parts do.

We? What do you mean we? Your idiot statements and inability to
understand are all on you.

Configuration problems are more likely [when the person setting up the
system refuses to learn anything] than whether the motherboard is
integrated or not. A problem that's insurmountable to one person may not
be to another. Some systems are harder to configure but there's a vast
difference between having to do zero configuration, or resolving common
problems, or unresolvable problems (per specific hardware)... common to
some of us but possibly not to you. It isn't really condescending to
assume you don't know what you're doing since you're already made it clear
that you don't have the experience to answer your own question.

Wrong again elmo. I had three possible answers coming here, and
leaning towards one, which is apparently correct, going by what others
have said. But all that would be lost on you.

If we told you that configuration problems were much less likely on an
integrated board just to get you past this "issue" you have, get you
further along to actually doing something productive, then you went and
bought integrated parts, had some configuration problems, would you then
be happy?

You did it again. You raised the bar on stupidity. You going for the
world record or something? This was about an increase in the odds, a
decrease in the odds, or consistent odds. Not your specific case
scenarios.

Why am I even asking? You claim I wanted the last word but that's not
really true, I was simply wanting you to realize that there is no point to
your question, it's irrelevant compared to the research of specific
components.

There was a point in my question, which was very relevant.
Nevertheless, that is not for you to decide anyway.

Also, you've mentioned the word "specific" several more times in this
thread, despite the fact that I keep saying that the question was a
general one, which everyone else was intelligent enough to understand.
I hope that these posts will be archived for a long time so your great
grandkids can see what a moron you were.

When you post in a public forum you're going to get any kind
of feedback that the person replying wishes to give... if you can't handle
that then start your own forum where you can be the moderator.

I can handle it. You're the one having difficulties. And I'll respond
to insults and moronic statements whenever I see fit. If you don't
like that, then *you* can start your own forum.

Regardless, I'll gladly let you have the last word, no more wasting my
time on this thread.

Promises, promises...

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

 

[~misfit~]

You're the troll here. Not me.

LOL. Kony has helped more people in here over the years than you've had
self-induced orgasms, and that's saying something. This is the first time
I've heard him called a troll.

And like I said, you would be incapable
of helping me *if* I needed help anyway.

I think the only person capable of helping you would be a mental health
professional.

 

[Darren Harris]

LOL. Kony has helped more people in here over the years than you've had
self-induced orgasms, and that's saying something. This is the first time
I've heard him called a troll.

I really don't care how many people he's helped, or whether this is
the first time you've heard him called troll.

I think the only person capable of helping you would be a mental health
professional.

Give me the number to yours.

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.