Question about PSU

Rod Speed · Aug 16, 2006

Someday Rod, I'll educate you about usenet.

Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland, child.

It's a wee bit different than a P2P email.

You quite sure you aint actually one of those rocket
scientist pathetic little drug crazed children, child ?

You aint actually established that anyone else reading here is actually
stupid enough to buy your stupid pig ignorant line about 12V rails,
or is even bothering to read this pathetic excuse for a thread, either.

I already mentioned ATX 2.2 in a prior post, perhaps
you should spend more time learning, less time trolling.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

You never did explain why ATX 2.2 has two 12V rails, child.

Clueless one, it is they who changed their minds.

No they didnt on your stupid pig ignorant claim that there is no advantage
in more than one 12V rail, you pathetic excuse for a bullshit artist.

Paul · Aug 16, 2006

"Rod Speed" said:
How many of you are there between those ears, gutless ?

Have fun explaining the ATX 2.2 standard, gutless.

Yeah, yeah, you know it all, they know absolutely nothing at all.

Yeah, right.

While I cannot get you a copy of the spec (it probably costs
money), try reading this doc:

http://www.circuitprotection.com/04Databook/C02_raid_(109).pdf

"Typical Agency Approval Requirements

Most OEMs comply with the ³240VA² requirement of IEC60950.
The Safety Requirement Clause 1.2.8.7 - ³Hazardous Energy
Level² states that power must not exceed 240VA. In a 12V
system, current must be limited to 20A."

That is the spec that gives the ATX 2.0+ supplies their
separated 12V1 and 12V2 outputs. And not all companies
adhere to that spec - for example PCpowerandcooling
is still making products where one of their 12V outputs
provides well over 20A. So not everyone seeks to pass
IEC60950.

Paul

Rod Speed · Aug 16, 2006

While I cannot get you a copy of the spec
(it probably costs money), try reading this doc:

"Typical Agency Approval Requirements

Most OEMs comply with the ³240VA² requirement of IEC60950.
The Safety Requirement Clause 1.2.8.7 - ³Hazardous Energy
Level² states that power must not exceed 240VA. In a 12V
system, current must be limited to 20A."

That is the spec that gives the ATX 2.0+ supplies
their separated 12V1 and 12V2 outputs.

Yep, so 'kony' is clearly just plain wrong, as always.

And not all companies adhere to that spec - for example
PCpowerandcooling is still making products where one
of their 12V outputs provides well over 20A. So not
everyone seeks to pass IEC60950.

Yep, but most clearly do. Whatever 'kony' claims.

He's clearly been into the wacky weed much more than is good for him.

kony · Aug 16, 2006

Yep, so 'kony' is clearly just plain wrong, as always.

Sorry Rod, that doesn't contradict what I wrote except 18A
instead of 20A. IIRC, an earlier Intel design guide started
this recommendation to split them if over 18A per rail.
Might've been version 2.0.

Yep, but most clearly do. Whatever 'kony' claims.

I claim your supposed benefit may not be realized, and that
there are also drawbacks.

Here's an article Rod, if you get atypically ambitious for a
change you might even search for more.

http://forums.silentpcreview.com/viewtopic.php?t=23916

Rod Speed · Aug 16, 2006

Sorry Rod, that doesn't contradict what I wrote except 18A instead of 20A.

Lying, as always.

IIRC, an earlier Intel design guide started this recommendation
to split them if over 18A per rail. Might've been version 2.0.

Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant claim that
there is no advantage in splitting the 12V rails.

I claim your supposed benefit may not be realized,

Pity about that regulatory requirement, child.

and that there are also drawbacks.

There are with ANY scheme, child.

Here's an article Rod,

Irrelevant to that regulatory requirement, gutless.

if you get atypically ambitious for a
change you might even search for more.

Irrelevant to that regulatory requirement, gutless.

kony · Aug 16, 2006

Lying, as always.

Unless I have a time machine allowing travel back to when I
posted it, it is pretty clear you are in denial.

Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant claim that
there is no advantage in splitting the 12V rails.

There's a hypothetical advantage, that much I already
acknowledged, as well as that it would have to be a realized
advantage to counter the detractions.

There's plenty of info out there Rod, quite a few people
finding 18-20A per rail splits aren't working as well as
non-split.

Pity about that regulatory requirement, child.

Not at all, you can buy one not split like this today.

There are with ANY scheme, child.

Yes, but some are far more significant than others.

Irrelevant to that regulatory requirement, gutless.

Relevant

Did you ever read the regulatory requirement Rod?
Do you acknowledge that many of the better rated PSU online
don't follow Intel's 18A nor that 20A limit?

Ever wonder why?

Rod Speed · Aug 16, 2006

Unless I have a time machine allowing travel back
to when I posted it, it is pretty clear you are in denial.

Never ever could bullshit and lie its way out of a wet paper bag.

There's a hypothetical advantage,

Nothing hypothetical about the regulatory requirement, child.

that much I already acknowledged,

Lying, as always.

as well as that it would have to be a realized
advantage to counter the detractions.

Meaningless waffle, as always when you have got done like a dinner.

There's plenty of info out there Rod,

Yeah, like the ATX 2.2 spec, child.

quite a few people finding 18-20A per rail
splits aren't working as well as non-split.

Another bare faced lie with the ATX 2.2 spec where
the second rail JUST supplys the 2x2 connector.

Not at all,

Fraid so.

you can buy one not split like this today.

Pity about that regulatory requirement, child.

Yes, but some are far more significant than others.

Pity that isnt so when the second 12V rail JUST
supplys JUST supplys the 2x2 connector.

Did you ever read the regulatory requirement Rod?

Yes, gutless.

Do you acknowledge that many of the better rated
PSU online don't follow Intel's 18A nor that 20A limit?

Not that many, actually.

Ever wonder why?

Because some choose to flout the regulatory requirement, child.

Keep desperately digging, you'll be out in china any day now, AGAIN.