Proposed Pricelessware web site

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Susan said:
I do not know.

Susan
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So, you asked them (by email I guess) if pricelessware.org would be
available for a new, moved site ? And they didn't give you an answer ? Did
they even reply ? Or what happened ?

Rod
 
(e-mail address removed) (ImokUrok2) says in
How about something Susan said in another post.....

PricelessWareList (in .org/net/com/whatever domain)

HTH
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Hey, this is a good one.


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So, you asked them (by email I guess) if pricelessware.org would be
available for a new, moved site ? And they didn't give you an answer ? Did
they even reply ? Or what happened ?

Rod
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I have kept out of this completely, but this exchange has to, for me,
sum up the whole bloody issue.

Susan - you were asked a question - now FFS, give an answer - or do
you crave attention so much you have to be asked 3 times ?

If you really want this issue to move forward, in what sense was your
one word reply helpful ?

This is not an attack on you particularly Susan - just another example
of childish behaviour - for those who have kids, will understand:

"Who did that ?"

"Wasn't me"

"Did you see who did it ?"

"Yes"

"Well who did it ?"

"Not me"

I suspect this issue will not move on until all concerned can behave
and discuss issues like adults.

(or am I just in a bad mood :-)
 
I have kept out of this completely, but this exchange has to, for me,
sum up the whole bloody issue.

Susan - you were asked a question - now FFS, give an answer - or do
you crave attention so much you have to be asked 3 times ?
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I suspect this issue will not move on until all concerned can behave
and discuss issues like adults.

(or am I just in a bad mood :-)
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The answer to the question is *NO* *COMMENT*.

<RANT>
I'm handicapped by early training in legal matters (training that took
place quite literally at my father's knee).

I was taught that private means *private* - you do not communicate
*anything* about private communications - you should not even tell
people that there has been private communication.

I'm having difficulty in adapting to Usenet. . .

"Go and have a private discussion - then come back and tell us all about
it."

"Don't disclose email correspondence." Disclosing the facts is a breach
of privacy. Just give us your "interpretation". *Only* hearsay evidence
is allowed in Kangaroo Courts.
</RANT>

If you weren't in a bad mood before I rather hope you are now. . . :)

Susan
 
I have kept out of this completely, but this exchange has to, for me,
sum up the whole bloody issue.

Susan - you were asked a question - now FFS, give an answer - or do
you crave attention so much you have to be asked 3 times ?

If you really want this issue to move forward, in what sense was your
one word reply helpful ?

This is not an attack on you particularly Susan - just another example
of childish behaviour - for those who have kids, will understand:

"Who did that ?"

"Wasn't me"

"Did you see who did it ?"

"Yes"

"Well who did it ?"

"Not me"

I suspect this issue will not move on until all concerned can behave
and discuss issues like adults.

(or am I just in a bad mood :-)
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No, you are simply sick to death at a bunch of so-called adults acting like
little children.
 
On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:15:30 -0400, Susan Bugher

<Removed all the rubbish.>

Which is why Susan, I have repeatedly suggested that an intermediary
is *needed*. You are obviously not going to contact the others to find
out if the existing name/domain will be available. Therefor in short,
as I said before - you are not attempting to meet the wishes of many
of the acf subscribers.

I suggest you stop messing this group about. If you are not prepared
to ask about the name/domain personally, use an intermediary.
If existing name is definitely not available, then that will be the
time to discuss alternatives.

I cannot blame Genna and SOS for sitting back on this one, I would do
the same in their position.





Fanman_UK

To reply by email remove the "fanman"
 
Fanman_UK said:
On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 19:15:30 -0400, Susan Bugher

<Removed all the rubbish.>
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re-added some of the removed "rubbish"
Which is why Susan, I have repeatedly suggested that an intermediary
is *needed*. You are obviously not going to contact the others to find
out if the existing name/domain will be available. Therefor in short,
as I said before - you are not attempting to meet the wishes of many
of the acf subscribers.
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It's a pity you didn't *read* the "rubbish" before you went into full spate.

Susan
 
It's a pity you didn't *read* the "rubbish" before you went
into full spate.

Susan
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Hi, Susan, did you find a place that is willing the host the
files yet? If so, don't worry about the domain name too much
anymore. It does not HAVE to be of the same address, or even
have Pricelessware in the address (but of course, it can be or
might as well be if there is a suitable one, for example, I
like the one you suggestion, Pricelesswarelist.org - it is
very clear that Pricelessware is a list of good freeware).

However, as long as the site clearly states that what the
contents are about (i.e., the best freeware selected by the
subscripter here each year), and say that the subscripters
here refer it as Pricelessware, that should do the trick. And
don't even worry about people won't be able to find it. It
would certain come up in a few months if you submit it to
Google. (BTW, one trick to make it quickly appear when people
search for it is to have Pricelessware as part of the file
names of the pages you have).

In the future, if it happens that there are other sites also
devoted to the Pricelessware information, it could be a web-
ring or mirror of some sort for the information (you know,
just like more than one channels can report the result of any
elections). But I won't worry about it for now.

Eventually, if Genna or SOS come up with something they would
do with their site or whatever, I am sure they would tell us
if they want to.

So, don't worry about it, just go ahead. As far as there is a
site, and you are happy about it :) Yet, anyhow, if you are
not the domain owner for whatever domain would be, you might
still have some restrictions in access, but hope that it won't
be the issue for you.





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I suggest you stop messing this group about. If you are not prepared
to ask about the name/domain personally, use an intermediary.
If existing name is definitely not available, then that will be the
time to discuss alternatives.
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Just a few posts up the thread you'll see Susan answers that she has
contacted and asked concerning the domain name.
 
Yes, this was already suggested at least two times. For some mysterious
reasons the initiators of this don't seem to want (or to dare) to ask
this.
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At least, I haven't seen them doing this. I think that founding a new
site, without knowing if the 'old' one is available, is not very
productive.
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The question was asked Henk. The answer is indeterminate it appears.

Are you guys expecting Geena to pay for and turn the domain over to
someone else? That certainly doesn't seem right. Both her and SOS have
a history with the concept and the site and they might well want to
continue development.

It seems looking for another domain is productive, rather than waiting
for a train that might not come in.

Susan is ready to do the hard work. The domain really isn't important.
As long as it's up in the air we'll have discussions like this one
which bore.
 
Fanman_UK said:
If you are not prepared
to ask about the name/domain personally, use an intermediary.
If existing name is definitely not available, then that will be the
time to discuss alternatives.
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Genna is reading what is happening here, and so far she has not made any
attempt to solve the problems which is really working.

There is no need for any email questions to her, by anybody, as this
situation is a question in itself.
I cannot blame Genna and SOS for sitting back on this one, I would do
the same in their position.
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I didn't blame Genna from the beginning, but now I am beginning to see
why she is difficult to work with.

She jumped in and started to argue about who was right and wrong in the
past immediately when Susan came back, which was very bad timing.

Genna has been confrontative and argumentative when she could have been
supportive and understanding. That is the problem.

She demands a certain kind of mindset instead of accepting a more human
approach. Genna can only work with people who have very thick skin on
their noses, not with people who are not tough enough according to her
standards.

At the bottom of this is a cultural problem. Genna stands for the
culture which demands that you must be able to take a punch and give a
punch, and you must be able to stand up for yourself in a certain way.

She can help/force Susan get tougher, but she cannot cooperate with her
as long as she is like Susan is and wants to continue to be.

This is a very common problem everywhere in our society.
People who are very tough are very eager to help/force others to become
tougher, but refuse to cooperate with people who are not up to their own
standards of toughness.

The whole society, and especially the media channels, is a big boot camp
with constant training in violence and concentration, to force everybody
to become very tough and confrontational.

Bob Marley: Get up, stand up, stand up for your rights..
Jeopardy: Learn to think twice..
Police series and trauma surgery programs: Learn to live with extreme
levels of violence and high concentration.

People like Genna can stand up for themselves, but they are not really
happy and do not have the inspiration to do a job like Susan can.
Men are not happy, they need women to be happy.
Women need children or pets to be happy, but they need men to feel safe.
We all need somebody who is nicer and more like children to be happy,
but we make these children older and tougher as we socialize with them.

We are all stretched between two poles in our lives. We need to become
tougher to feel strong and fit into a tough world, but we need to relax
and become open like children to feel well with ourselves.

We should learn to cooperate with softer and nicer people without
forcing them to become tougher and stronger.
 
R. L. said:
Hi, Susan, did you find a place that is willing the host the
files yet? If so, don't worry about the domain name too much
anymore. It does not HAVE to be of the same address, or even
have Pricelessware in the address (but of course, it can be or
might as well be if there is a suitable one, for example, I
like the one you suggestion, Pricelesswarelist.org - it is
very clear that Pricelessware is a list of good freeware).

However, as long as the site clearly states that what the
contents are about (i.e., the best freeware selected by the
subscripter here each year), and say that the subscripters
here refer it as Pricelessware, that should do the trick. And
don't even worry about people won't be able to find it. It
would certain come up in a few months if you submit it to
Google. (BTW, one trick to make it quickly appear when people
search for it is to have Pricelessware as part of the file
names of the pages you have).

In the future, if it happens that there are other sites also
devoted to the Pricelessware information, it could be a web-
ring or mirror of some sort for the information (you know,
just like more than one channels can report the result of any
elections). But I won't worry about it for now.

Eventually, if Genna or SOS come up with something they would
do with their site or whatever, I am sure they would tell us
if they want to.

So, don't worry about it, just go ahead. As far as there is a
site, and you are happy about it :) Yet, anyhow, if you are
not the domain owner for whatever domain would be, you might
still have some restrictions in access, but hope that it won't
be the issue for you.
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You have nailed it! Pricelesswarelist.* is great!
Whatever Genna and SOS decide to do with the old domain is now their
business. In both cases it is now a "be careful what you wish for"
situation.
 
nochargeware.---
compware.---
freebieware.---
gratisware.---
freesoft.---

withoutchargesoftwarethatmakesyouwanttothankeveryoneinvolvedwithit.---
 
Roger Johansson said:
Genna is reading what is happening here, and so far she has not made
any attempt to solve the problems which is really working.

There is no need for any email questions to her, by anybody, as this
situation is a question in itself.


I didn't blame Genna from the beginning, but now I am beginning to see
why she is difficult to work with.

She jumped in and started to argue about who was right and wrong in
the past immediately when Susan came back, which was very bad timing.

Genna has been confrontative and argumentative when she could have
been supportive and understanding. That is the problem.

She demands a certain kind of mindset instead of accepting a more
human approach. Genna can only work with people who have very thick
skin on their noses, not with people who are not tough enough
according to her standards.

At the bottom of this is a cultural problem. Genna stands for the
culture which demands that you must be able to take a punch and give a
punch, and you must be able to stand up for yourself in a certain way.

She can help/force Susan get tougher, but she cannot cooperate with
her as long as she is like Susan is and wants to continue to be.

This is a very common problem everywhere in our society.
People who are very tough are very eager to help/force others to
become tougher, but refuse to cooperate with people who are not up to
their own standards of toughness.

The whole society, and especially the media channels, is a big boot
camp with constant training in violence and concentration, to force
everybody to become very tough and confrontational.

Bob Marley: Get up, stand up, stand up for your rights..
Jeopardy: Learn to think twice..
Police series and trauma surgery programs: Learn to live with extreme
levels of violence and high concentration.

People like Genna can stand up for themselves, but they are not really
happy and do not have the inspiration to do a job like Susan can.
Men are not happy, they need women to be happy.
Women need children or pets to be happy, but they need men to feel
safe. We all need somebody who is nicer and more like children to be
happy, but we make these children older and tougher as we socialize
with them.

We are all stretched between two poles in our lives. We need to become
tougher to feel strong and fit into a tough world, but we need to
relax and become open like children to feel well with ourselves.

We should learn to cooperate with softer and nicer people without
forcing them to become tougher and stronger.
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The posts you make like this one are funny. It looks like you are saying
we should all be childish and we would get along. The truth is, only the
older and tougher survive to pass those traits to their offspring. The
weaker and childish do not. After all is said and done, only the strong
survive.
The meek inherit the earth because they are buried in it.
 
I take it you own an asbestos jacket ;)
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I have a lot of experience in living without one :-)

I try to understand both camps, and try to inform everybody about this
cultural conflict which influence our lives so much.

The socially strong and tough people need to understand that their way
of seeing things is not right and that we are trying to abolish this old
manly culture.

The softer and more natural people need to understand where all this
violence and mental toughness comes from and that the strong people are
not right, they are just stronger.

This is a classical problem in philosophy. The discussion about free
will and determinism.
You need to be very determined to have free will in a social world where
a lot of people have trained their minds for many years.

Mental strength, strong convictions and violent minds, have created a
lot of fear and suffering in this world.

Some people think that love which works like a powerful drug and gives
social dominance is worth that price. Others say that we could feel even
better and more relaxed without this traditional kind of love and all
the problems it creates.

Most children manage to adjust to our mentally very intensive culture,
but some have big problems.
We give some children amphetamine to help them to become more compatible
with our speeded culture.
This relieves them of the need to excite their minds by getting very
angry, so they calm down from this centrally stimulating drug.

Grown-ups use many centrally stimulating drugs to keep up with the rest
of the society, coffee, alcohol, tobacco, chewing gum, strong spices,
and a lot of violence and excitement from movies and tv.
There is a lot of mobbing going on in homes, workplaces, schools, etc..
to help/force people to become more excited and learn to harbor and
control more excitement and rage.

Mixing rage with love (conviction) creates a powerful centrally
stimulating drug. Girls are trained to become very convincing.
The male mind is a result of anger and strong conviction.

The traditional society is a drug culture, the tools used to create the
drug are gender roles, mobbing, conviction, rage, obsessions.
Creating centrally stimulating drugs with social means is very
detrimental to mankind.
 
<RANT>
I'm handicapped by early training in legal matters (training that took
place quite literally at my father's knee).
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Glad you admit you are handicapped by this experience - I think you
must mean it literally. You have had a spat with one or two other
people about a website FFS - as far as I know you are not accusing
anyone of murder. Do you really think someone is going to sue you if
you answer a simple question.

If you do, and are that concerned about it, seek advice from a real
lawyer (maybe your family) - I would have thought they would advise
you to not post here.

This is *not* what I want to see - would just like people to grow up a
little

I was taught that private means *private* - you do not communicate
*anything* about private communications - you should not even tell
people that there has been private communication.

I'm having difficulty in adapting to Usenet. . .

"Go and have a private discussion - then come back and tell us all about
it."

"Don't disclose email correspondence." Disclosing the facts is a breach
of privacy. Just give us your "interpretation". *Only* hearsay evidence
is allowed in Kangaroo Courts.
</RANT>

If you weren't in a bad mood before I rather hope you are now. . . :)
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No - I am fine thanks :-)
 
Bjorn said:
Easy if you understand/remember what "acf" and "ware" stands for
in this context ...

I guess the shorthand "acf" is something only the regulars understand,
or anyone familier with Usenet and who understands that in the given
context "acf" is an abbreviation for a group name ...

how about:
alt-comp-freeware-list.org
best-of-alt-comp-freeware.org
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Point taken. Then I suggest using one of those free redirector domains
like acfware.tk in addition to whatever the group chooses as primary
domain name. I usually know all the domain names I frequently and
infrequently visit by heart and really hate typing domain names like
www.i-am-John-and-this-is-my-website.com. Bookmarks are not a solution
since it's especially pricelessware.org which I use rather often at a
friend's place to download some software he needs but doesn't know where
to look for.

Ulrich
 
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