Wait for the dual core 64 bit processors to become generally available.
William
"Chad Harris" <Bushisamoron.net> wrote in message Yo Ben checkya facts:
Benjamin Gawert writes:
Which "huge trend to 64bit processors" should there be?
The one that gets the out of AMD, Intel and OEM warehouses and storage rooms
onto actual computers on Planet Earth:
"The majority of all current desktop processors is already 64bit (and this
for some time
now)."
I'm not sure if you know what year it is. It's 2006. What you claim is
already present on desktops won't occur*** in significant numbers*** if then
until 20078-2009.
"And despite the fact that the majority of systems sold is 64bit
already..."
No, No, and No. That's just not documented truth. The truth is represented
in the article below:
"Who wants or needs 64 bits? No Overnight Revolution" Published: March 6,
2006, 4:00 AM PST
http://news.com.com/Who+wants+or+needs+64+bits/2100-1006_3-6045931.html
"Nearly two and a half years have passed since 64-bit processors started
going into PCs. But the software to take full advantage of these chips
remains scarce, and customers aren't buying much of what's out there.
The dearth can be seen in a lot of ways. Microsoft released a 64-bit version
of Windows for desktops last May but has sold few copies, according to
analysts. A site created by Advanced Micro Devices, the biggest proponent of
64-bit desktops, lists only six games tweaked for 64-bit computing and one
partial upgrade.
Dell sells 64-bit Windows as an option on two workstations and on a
corporate desktop, but not on notebooks or any consumer PCs. Hewlett-Packard
sells it as an option on workstations only. Lenovo offers it if a customer
requests it. Gateway doesn't offer 64-bit software on its PCs with 64-bit
chips at all.
Instead, most PC makers and software developers will wait until Vista, the
next version of Windows
"There is just not enough driver support for 64-bit Windows," said Rahul
Sood, president of Voodoo Computers. "We don't offer it. We are waiting for
Vista."
Oh-oh:
"The slow emergence of a 64-bit ecosystem also means that those consumers
who bought 64-bit systems in the past few years to "future proof" themselves
against a software conversion really didn't. By the time Vista comes out,
those early 64-bit computers will be 3 years old, closing in on the typical
four-year replacement cycle."
"Workstations from HP, Dell and others often accommodate at least 8GB of
memory. Several workstation applications have been ported over, said
Margaret Lewis, director of commercial solutions at AMD. Workstations,
however, constitute a small market, and sales of workstations with 64-bit
chips from AMD or Intel and of 64-bit software comprise only a fraction of
that market. (Servers are a different story: Applications were ported to
64-bit platforms years ago, though one executive at Sun Microsystems said in
July 2005 that only about 30 percent of customers had started running 64-bit
software on its Opteron servers.)"
Uh Huh: "I don't have usage statistics, but I expect they're pretty
minimal," Tim Sweeney, founder of Epic, wrote in an e-mail. "Those OSes
aren't ready for prime time because of a lack of drivers, application
install problems and other random things. Real-world adoption of 64-bit OSes
will probably only occur when Windows Vista ships."
A Microsoft representative wrote in an e-mail that the company has trained
more than 300 developers on porting their applications to 64-bit Windows and
that sales of the operating system have exceeded the company's expectations.
The initial expectations, however, weren't revealed."
What the hell were the initial expectations MSFT? Why weren't they?
"The reality is that it is tough to get your hands on that product. The big
blocker is that there is no (consumer) app that demands that kind of power,"
said Mike Cherry, an analyst at Directions on Microsoft. "There are also
concerns about the availability of drivers."
Cherry, incidentally, said he bought a 64-bit laptop the other day but
couldn't get one with 64-bit Windows.
Yep the 64 bit Broken Windows Cherry will get will be Vista when the broken,
buggy OS RTMs whenever that is."
When Vista hits, consumers will begin to see some 64-bit benefits, even if
their applications remain 32-bit, according to AMD's Lewis, but 64-bit
applications may not "start hitting in numbers for consumers until 2007 and
2008."
You have to make sure you have the market to sell the code," she said.
Still, the changeover seems to be occurring slower than they anticipated. In
2002, AMD executives predicted that people would begin to start taking
advantage of the 64-bit capabilities soon after the chips hit and that the
market would begin to see some desktops with 4GB of memory in 2004.
In August 2003, before more Microsoft delays, AMD said 64-bit technology,
including software, would be somewhat widespread in 12 to 15 months, even in
notebooks.
Ironically, the 2007 and 2008 predictions for the emergence of 64-bit
applications fit closer to what Intel said, before it jumped into 64-bit
desktop chips. Company executives and scientists through 2002 and 2003 said
mainstream users wouldn't likely need 64-bit desktops until about 2008 or
2009."
Gawert writes:
" I can't see where all the fuzz is about."
The fuzz is created because MSFT knows that they can create a climate of
fear mongering to help spur the sale of OEM desktops and new machines for
their OEM customers of millions of OEM preinstalled desktops by dancing
around the concept of "Vista ready PC's" What you know is correct in
principle, although with an increase in RAM actually P4 PCs that were sold
with enough processor speed even well before four years can run Vista and
run it damn fast.
Gawert writes:
Then you simply choosed the wrong system vendor. Nothing that MS is
responsible for...> All my HP systems came with a Recovery disk and a
generic Windowsxp CD that can do repair just fine. I'm sure the Vista media
from HP will have similar capabilities..."
Mr. Gawert I chose Dell and I told the rep that if she wanted the sale she
would put in writing that I would get an XP Retail CD and I really didn't
give a damn who paid for it. That's the only circumstance under which I
will spend my hard earned money for any machine from the 300 Name OEM
partners that MSFT OEM VP Scott di Valerio presides over.
I've helped with over 1000 no boot XP situations and many have been HP
so-called non-destructive recovery CDs. 99%+ of the time anythning OEM
ships short of a retail MSFT OS CD or in the case of Vista DVDs will fail.
I challenged the MSFT personnel responsible for recovery mechanisms in Vista
to obtain the OEM machines representative of their 300 named OEM partners
and half the room would use MSFT Vista DVDs-the ones the company has made
for them that they ship and half would use what OEMs will supply to
customers and they quickly declined to take that test.
If you try the challenge you will lose as well. I helped regularly on a
chat with a tech support supervisor at HP and he agreed with me 100% about
the inadequacy of the recovery crap they and other OEMs ship.
Simply put, they don't work to do a repair install in XP, and they don't
work to do a startup repair or any other component of Win RE in Vista.
That's why large and medium companies either uses images or will use special
installs with Win RE tailored in on them.
None of the named 300 OEM partners of MSFT is now shipping "a generic OS CD
or DVD" Dell currently is relying on a partition containing "PC Restore"
which is a miserable failure for the people stupid enough not to assert
themselves and demand a retail CD or in the case of Vista DVD.
Dell won't commit in writing that you can access Win RE via that partition,
and neither will MSFT.
This egregious situation is the result of joint greed on the part of MSFT
and their 300 named OEM partners. The individual, MSFT's OEM VP Scot di
Valerio that oversees this has no computer training or engineering
background. He is an accountant who doesn't give a damn if people can
recover from an XP or Vista no boot and who doesn't know a lot about fixing
either.
***Congrats to MSFT VP General Counsel Brad Smith and his staff for being on
brink of a $2.55 million dollar per day (total $255 million fine from the
European Commission. You should start lobbying for a Christmas bonus for you
and your staff right now. There goes Bill and Steve's valet parking for the
restaurant tonight.
***Congrats to George Bush and his team: You have set a world record in
setting up a milieu for humans to be blown to bits day after day. You are
the king of mass bombing inducers Bush. You have the shitstorm of all
shitstorms in your face Condi Rice, Rove., and a Congress with the oversight
initiative of a pith brained squirrel. We now have 911 in New York, 311 in
Madrid, and 711 in Mubai. We have over 400 people blown up in the wake of
the moronic Bush foreign policy.
Congrats to CIA Information Officer Bill Harlow for being one of the leak
sources of his own undercover agent in the most phony disingenous
administration ever and now lying about it. Congrats to Under Secretary of
State Richard Armiitage who leaked the undercover agent.
While Judy Miller's duplicitous ass was sitting in jail, the evidence
already had been revealed by Bob Novak.
----Staying the course in a shitstorm should be confined to plumbers.
CH
