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Patrick Schmid [MVP]
I didn't want to be that realistic....
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Programatix
For me, this IS a critical issues. How am I to work with such an awful
performance? Can't even use the by-word or by-letter for my presentation.
performance? Can't even use the by-word or by-letter for my presentation.
Patrick Schmid said:
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Programatix
Found another problem. In PowerPoint 2003, I used to use the shadow tool for
my text (not the text shadow). The text shadow looked awful and that is the
reason I used the shadow tool.
I opened the presentation in PowerPoint 2007 and run it. During animation,
the shadow will appear at where the text should stop at after animation
while the text goes on with the animation. In another word, the shadow is
not moving. Well, to solve this, I'll have to remove the Shape shadow and
reapply the text shadow. But, just like PowerPoint 2003, it doesn't look
good.
my text (not the text shadow). The text shadow looked awful and that is the
reason I used the shadow tool.
I opened the presentation in PowerPoint 2007 and run it. During animation,
the shadow will appear at where the text should stop at after animation
while the text goes on with the animation. In another word, the shadow is
not moving. Well, to solve this, I'll have to remove the Shape shadow and
reapply the text shadow. But, just like PowerPoint 2003, it doesn't look
good.
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Echo S
Repro steps? I know you applied the shadow tool shadow to some text in 2003.
Did you adjust the distance between the shadow and the object (which would
be the text, in this case). Also give us an example animation setting so we
can see what you mean.
PPT 2007's text shadows should look good. I wonder if you apply the shadows
to the text in 2007 if that makes a difference....
Did you adjust the distance between the shadow and the object (which would
be the text, in this case). Also give us an example animation setting so we
can see what you mean.
PPT 2007's text shadows should look good. I wonder if you apply the shadows
to the text in 2007 if that makes a difference....
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Echo S
That's called a hotfix.
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Echo S
Programatix said:
You may just have to forego the by-word and by-letter animations and effect
settings. (I'm sorry, but I personally don't think that's such a bad thing
because, although those can be effective at times, they're often very
annoying and overused. But I do understand where you're coming from -- I
have my own critical issues I would like to see fixed or improved.)
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Steve Rindsberg
Neal and I have exchanged some files and info and arrived at a few tentative
conclusions:
- If I edit the equations in his files, the same thing happens; they shrink,
become distorted and useless, but this happens in both PPT 2007 RTM and in 2003.
- If I create a new presentation with an equation in it in either 2003 or 2007,
the same problem doesn't appear (here or on Neal's computer)
First tentative conclusion: The problem's with the files, not the Equation Editor
in 2007 RTM.
- Neal's files made a detour through Mac-land, having been opened and, IIRC,
edited on Mac PPT 2004. I don't have 2004 here, but I did create a new PPT with
an equation, opened and saved it from Mac PPT X. That one opened and allowed
editing w/o problems back on the PC. In PPT X, I get a Server Not Found error
when I try to EDIT the equations; I don't seem to have Equation Editor
installed/available, so no great surprise there. Whether or not it IS available
on Mac, I don't know.
But it seems that it may be, and that using it to edit PC-created equations is bad
for your sanity. And for your equations. Dr. Marco ... do you have Equation
Editor on your Mac? Want to have a go?
But the real killer here is that Equation Editor's now severely crippled in PPT
2007. Where in previous versions you could use Recolor Picture to change the text
in equations to some other color, the Recolor feature's gone from 2007 (well, it's
morphed into something totally different). You may now equations in Henry Ford
(any color as long as it's) Black. Or nothing.
The only workaround I could offer is limp and kinda pathetic: create the
equation, drag it off the slide, copy it, Edit, PasteSpecial, as EMF, ungroup it,
make color changes as needed. Delete EMF, go back to the original equation and
repeat every time the equation needs editing.
Or, I suppose, ban dark background slides. Feh.
Does anyone have a better idea for equations on dark b/g slides?
Does anyone have the full MathType product? Can it set colors for equation text,
or is it also strictly black on white?
conclusions:
- If I edit the equations in his files, the same thing happens; they shrink,
become distorted and useless, but this happens in both PPT 2007 RTM and in 2003.
- If I create a new presentation with an equation in it in either 2003 or 2007,
the same problem doesn't appear (here or on Neal's computer)
First tentative conclusion: The problem's with the files, not the Equation Editor
in 2007 RTM.
- Neal's files made a detour through Mac-land, having been opened and, IIRC,
edited on Mac PPT 2004. I don't have 2004 here, but I did create a new PPT with
an equation, opened and saved it from Mac PPT X. That one opened and allowed
editing w/o problems back on the PC. In PPT X, I get a Server Not Found error
when I try to EDIT the equations; I don't seem to have Equation Editor
installed/available, so no great surprise there. Whether or not it IS available
on Mac, I don't know.
But it seems that it may be, and that using it to edit PC-created equations is bad
for your sanity. And for your equations. Dr. Marco ... do you have Equation
Editor on your Mac? Want to have a go?
But the real killer here is that Equation Editor's now severely crippled in PPT
2007. Where in previous versions you could use Recolor Picture to change the text
in equations to some other color, the Recolor feature's gone from 2007 (well, it's
morphed into something totally different). You may now equations in Henry Ford
(any color as long as it's) Black. Or nothing.
The only workaround I could offer is limp and kinda pathetic: create the
equation, drag it off the slide, copy it, Edit, PasteSpecial, as EMF, ungroup it,
make color changes as needed. Delete EMF, go back to the original equation and
repeat every time the equation needs editing.
Or, I suppose, ban dark background slides. Feh.
Does anyone have a better idea for equations on dark b/g slides?
Does anyone have the full MathType product? Can it set colors for equation text,
or is it also strictly black on white?
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Programatix
It seems to me that this is a convertion problem with PowerPoint 2007 from
PowerPoint 2003 as I tried to apply Shape Effect->Shadow on a text and
everything works out normally.
Anyone with PowerPoint 2003, please confirm the problem with the following
steps:
1) Open PowerPoint 2003
2) Type a single line text
3) Apply shadow from the Shadow Tool (not the text shadow on the toolbar)
4) Play around with the shadow (if possible make it broader)
5) Add animation to it. Try picking Spiral In.
6) Save
7) Open PowerPoint 2007
8) Load the presentation saved above
9) Try running the presentation.
What I get with the steps above is the shadow of the text is on the screen
(without text). When the text flies in, it will stop on the shadow. To
remove the shadow, just apply the Shape Effect->Shadow on the text. Readd
the shadow and everything goes on fine.
By the way, I do not have PowerPoint 2003 anymore but all my previous
PowerPoint 2003 presentations are using shadows as describe in step (3) and
when I open all of my presentations in PowerPoint 2007, I need to reapply
all the shadow for the texts.
Thanks.
PowerPoint 2003 as I tried to apply Shape Effect->Shadow on a text and
everything works out normally.
Anyone with PowerPoint 2003, please confirm the problem with the following
steps:
1) Open PowerPoint 2003
2) Type a single line text
3) Apply shadow from the Shadow Tool (not the text shadow on the toolbar)
4) Play around with the shadow (if possible make it broader)
5) Add animation to it. Try picking Spiral In.
6) Save
7) Open PowerPoint 2007
8) Load the presentation saved above
9) Try running the presentation.
What I get with the steps above is the shadow of the text is on the screen
(without text). When the text flies in, it will stop on the shadow. To
remove the shadow, just apply the Shape Effect->Shadow on the text. Readd
the shadow and everything goes on fine.
By the way, I do not have PowerPoint 2003 anymore but all my previous
PowerPoint 2003 presentations are using shadows as describe in step (3) and
when I open all of my presentations in PowerPoint 2007, I need to reapply
all the shadow for the texts.
Thanks.
Echo S said:
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John Langhans [MSFT]
Hello,
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| I think it's probably got to do with the new text engine in PPT 2007.
You are correct. The OfficeArt text caching mechanism is "inefficient" when
by-letter or by-word animation effects are used.
Using a sprite-less animation effect (such as Appear) or simply not using
by letter or by word animation settings are the recommended workarounds.
Thanks,
John Langhans [MSFT]
Supportability Program Manager - PowerPoint, Drawing & Graphics
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| I think it's probably got to do with the new text engine in PPT 2007.
You are correct. The OfficeArt text caching mechanism is "inefficient" when
by-letter or by-word animation effects are used.
Using a sprite-less animation effect (such as Appear) or simply not using
by letter or by word animation settings are the recommended workarounds.
Thanks,
John Langhans [MSFT]
Supportability Program Manager - PowerPoint, Drawing & Graphics
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Echo S
I asked Steve to send me a file to work with. He sent a file with an
equation editor equation created in PPT 2003 -- I opened this in 2007 and
applied the "Apex" theme so I could see what was happening with the equation
text color.
Here's the workaround I figured out.
Selected the equation, Drawing Tools Format | Shape Styles dialog launcher
to get to Format Object dialog.
On Picture toolbar, change Image color to Black and White, change brightness
to 100%.
Now I got white text.
It's not as good as the old recolor, and I can only get white, but it's
better'n nuthin'.
Selecting "washout" will give you grey text. Change the contrast to get
different shades of grey.
Also, if I copy and paste special as PNG, I can go to Picture Tools Format |
Recolor and use the "light variations" to change the text to various theme
colors. Unfortunately, choosing "more variations" doesn't seem to do
anything, so you're really locked into using your theme colors here. (The
various Dark Variations don't seem to do anything, either.)
Same if I copy/paste as WMF or EMF. Bummer. I was hoping one of those would
let me specify what color the equation editor text would show up as. Ah,
well. At least we have a few options.
--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/powerpointannoy/
equation editor equation created in PPT 2003 -- I opened this in 2007 and
applied the "Apex" theme so I could see what was happening with the equation
text color.
Here's the workaround I figured out.
Selected the equation, Drawing Tools Format | Shape Styles dialog launcher
to get to Format Object dialog.
On Picture toolbar, change Image color to Black and White, change brightness
to 100%.
Now I got white text.
It's not as good as the old recolor, and I can only get white, but it's
better'n nuthin'.
Selecting "washout" will give you grey text. Change the contrast to get
different shades of grey.
Also, if I copy and paste special as PNG, I can go to Picture Tools Format |
Recolor and use the "light variations" to change the text to various theme
colors. Unfortunately, choosing "more variations" doesn't seem to do
anything, so you're really locked into using your theme colors here. (The
various Dark Variations don't seem to do anything, either.)
Same if I copy/paste as WMF or EMF. Bummer. I was hoping one of those would
let me specify what color the equation editor text would show up as. Ah,
well. At least we have a few options.
--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/powerpointannoy/
Steve Rindsberg said:
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Echo S
I can't repro this -- the animation works fine here. The shadow stays with
the text and vice versa.
Knocking hardware acceleration all the way back to nothing didn't fix it?
--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/powerpointannoy/
the text and vice versa.
Knocking hardware acceleration all the way back to nothing didn't fix it?
--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/powerpointannoy/
Programatix said:
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Steve Rindsberg
And Ned emailed me back to ask why PPT didn't get the same attention to tables
that Word did. Mumbling to myself that they were both the same EquationEditor
3 program and what was he talking about, I went off to have a look and ooeee.
They sure did revamp it in Word.
And if you create the equation there and hold your mouth just right, you can
select it and copy/paste into PPT.
It's here and "intuitive" is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy over there.
Far from it.
Add the equation in Word.
Tripleclick within it to select the whole works, then press Ctrl+C
Switch to PPT and choose Edit, Paste Special
If you see nothing but "Unformatted text" on the list of choices, cancel, go
back to Word and repeat the tripleclick and copy drill. Put your tongue on the
other side of your mouth or something. It seems totally random whether it
works or not.
But if the moon's in the right phase and you've been a good little
PowerPointer, you'll see Microsoft Word Document Object on the list when you
Paste Special. Choose it and click OK.
That and a bit more info going up here shortly
Using Equation Editor with PowerPoint 2007
http://www.pptfaq.com/FAQ00832.htm
that Word did. Mumbling to myself that they were both the same EquationEditor
3 program and what was he talking about, I went off to have a look and ooeee.
They sure did revamp it in Word.
And if you create the equation there and hold your mouth just right, you can
select it and copy/paste into PPT.
It's here and "intuitive" is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy over there.
Far from it.
Add the equation in Word.
Tripleclick within it to select the whole works, then press Ctrl+C
Switch to PPT and choose Edit, Paste Special
If you see nothing but "Unformatted text" on the list of choices, cancel, go
back to Word and repeat the tripleclick and copy drill. Put your tongue on the
other side of your mouth or something. It seems totally random whether it
works or not.
But if the moon's in the right phase and you've been a good little
PowerPointer, you'll see Microsoft Word Document Object on the list when you
Paste Special. Choose it and click OK.
That and a bit more info going up here shortly
Using Equation Editor with PowerPoint 2007
http://www.pptfaq.com/FAQ00832.htm
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Echo S
I don't understand what tables have to do with equation editor.
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Patrick Schmid [MVP]
Word has a brand-new built-in equation editor, so yes, that was revamped
in Word. With tables, I have to ask the same thing as Echo though.
However, note that Word didn't get the new OfficeArt completely that PPT
and Excel have now. One of the results of that is that PPT and Excel
have the new WordArt, while Word still features the old WordArt...
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in Word. With tables, I have to ask the same thing as Echo though.
However, note that Word didn't get the new OfficeArt completely that PPT
and Excel have now. One of the results of that is that PPT and Excel
have the new WordArt, while Word still features the old WordArt...
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Programatix
Since you stated that it is "inefficient"... why release it that way?
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Programatix
Ok, time to reinstall PowerPoint 2003!
Echo S said:
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Steve Rindsberg
Nor do I understand why my fingers said "tables" when my brain was all like
"Equations". There's many a widget twixt thought and digit and I done stumbled
over allovem.
Word has EQUATIONS built in now. That's what I was on about.
Anyhow:
Using Equation Editor with PowerPoint 2007
http://www.pptfaq.com/FAQ00832.htm
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Steve Rindsberg
Boy, I slip up once .. ONCE ... and type tables into a whole thread fulla
equations and you guys are all over my case. It's about CONTEXT, dude and
dudette. And the context is equations. Let the table roll off yer feathers.
Sheesh. ;-)
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Patrick Schmid [MVP]
You would be all over our case if we had slipped upPatrick Schmid said:
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Echo S
Steve Rindsberg said:
LOL! I should have guessed. But my brain's so dead right now, I just
couldn't comprehend...
Good.