John Turco wrote
[Note: Due to topic drift and article length, I've
deleted lots of earlier text; sorry about that, Rod.]
I'd have you publicly flogged if you hadnt enjoyed that so much the last time.
And Germany didn't even have any >chariots<,
when the ancient Greeks and Romans did.
But they ****ed over the Romans very comprehensensively indeed in the Teutoberg Forest.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Teutoburg_Forest
Funny how all of those "wogs" were civilized long before the Germans, is it not?
Depends on what you call civilised.
Yes, Germany was very late as a nation state.
Yep, leaves Japan for dead luxury car wise.
Japanese economy models are often superior to German luxury cars.
Oh bullshit.
Mercedes, for example, has an embarrassingly poor reliability
record (and many American vehicles also "leave it for dead").
More drivel.
You're "cherry picking" the areas where the Germans were most advanced.
They blow your silly claim about 'never quite caught up' completely out of the water.
Besides, it was Henry Ford who led the way in automotive mass production methods...
Separate matter entirely to the quality end of the car market.
and the name "Ford" doesn't sound very Teutonic, does it?
Separate matter entirely to your never quite caught up.
Furthermore, Wernher von Braun and his German
mob freely borrowed ideas from Robert Goddard
Oh bullshit.
(an American who became modern rocketry's greatest pioneer).
More bullshit.
WWII's famous "V2" ballistic missle was largely based on Goddard's
writings, which German secret agents obtained from U.S. public libraries!
More bullshit. And the car industry didnt.
Von Braun idolized him; alas, Goddard died of throat cancer, before they could meet.
And von Braun left him for dead on actual rocket technology produced.
What "basics" do you mean?
That line about peasant societys is completely ****ing silly with Germany.
All right, here's something to ponder: In WWII, U.S. industrial
capacity was >10 times< that of Germany and Japan COMBINED.
Thats got nothing to do wiith your previous silly claim about know how.
Please tell me, Rod, how the Germans could've possibly cranked
out more cars than the Americans did, during that era?
Never said they did. I JUST said that the TECHNOLOGY left the yank shit for dead.
They didnt even do that any better than the krauts did.
Okay, then, >why< did the U.S. leave everybody in the dust?
Because of that industrial capacity. Thats an entirely
separate matter to the TECHNOLOGY being discussed.
Why did Britain need to be bailed out by "Lend Lease"
aid, before the Americans officially entered the war?
Because WW1 had completely crippled them economically and
then that fool Churchill pulled the plug on them economically by
returning to the gold standard at the wrong rate.
Why was Japan's mighty Pacific fleet (and
merchant marine) wiped out by the U.S. Navy,
Because of that industrial capacity difference and because
while they started the war with technology that left much
of the west for dead, particularly with aircraft, they didnt
continue to develop that during the war due to various
resources limitations that they had that the yanks didnt have.
and why couldn't the Germans stop the Normandy Invasion?
Because of that massive discrepency in industrial capacity at that time.
Their TECHNOLOGY left the yanks for dead with tanks
and the V2 etc and even with gas turbine aircraft etc too.
And the krauts system was massively crippled by the fact they
they had been stupid enough to not drive thru to balkan oil fields
and concentrated on Moscow instead. If they had not done that,
they could very easily have won in europe and the US wouldnt
have even gotten involved in the war if it hadnt been for the
terminal stupidity the Japs did with Pearl Harbor.
Technical prowess isn't the only measure of a civilization, regardless.
Corse it isnt and in that respect the krauts left the US for
dead in a great raff of areas with music alone, as you said.
For that matter, on a per capita basis, Scotland has been
more successful than any other place in Britain or Europe.
Have fun listing the scottish car you drive today.
(The Scots leave the Germans for dead, in many ways.)
And in many more ways they dont, most obviously with music and philosophy.
Yep, one of the more bizarre aspects of Japan. They didnt even with
stuff as primitive as the wheelbarrow, let alone horse drawn vehicles.
Traditionally, it was pretty damned autocratic, by Western standards.
That doesnt make it medieval, just autocratic.
And Bismarck left the rest of the world for dead socialism wise too.
Nope, its what ensured that the Japs wouldnt be the stupid again
and we wouldnt see another world war a generation later like we
did with Germany after WW1.
(Although, Britain received much more help than Germany did.}
And didnt manage to do anything like as much with it as Germany did.
Oh, so, Herr Bismarck created the first welfare state, did he?
Thats arguable given what the roman catholic church got up to.
But yes, thats true in a nation state sense.
Not exactly a proud moment in European history, I think.
You're completely wrong with education and health care alone.
(His ideas may have set a precedent for Herr
Schicklegrubber's "National Socialist" party, eh?)
Not so much set a precedent as once the country started down that
path with education and health care etc there was no going back on that.
Maybe, ol' Otto was later rolling in his grave, because
of Germany's shame? Death camps, slave labor, etc.
Its far from clear what he would have made of those.
Certainly there was plenty of slave labor in kraut colonys in his time.
He was a Prussian after all.
(German black marks of WWII) are as "medieval" as it gets.
Wrong again, that didnt happen in medieval times. They didnt bother with
death camps, they just butchered people without bothering with camps.
It takes the kraut genious for industrialisation to do that with the jews and slavs.
Japanese, Russians and Germans all had official policies of terror
(mass murder, rape and plunder) in the countries they occupied,
So did the British in South Africa and India and Scotland and Ireland.
and each employed them with shocking relish.
Corse the British never did anything like that in Ireland or post Culloden, eh ?
Enough of this bickering, over pretzel peddlers -- happy holidays, Rod! (Santa
Claus should reward you handsomely, for bravely defending his German brothers.)
The bugger wont even talk to me at all, maybe because I have no chimney at all.
I do have a flat roof that should be easy to land the reindeer on, but he never
shows up here, maybe he doesnt like the antenna farm or sunfin, wota wimp.
Happy holidays to you too. Looks like its gunna be hot here, 35C+
