[PL] Trial for new Voting Procedures

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Spacey Spade said:
This is a trial run to see if a new voting procedure can be easily
understood by all. Please take part to see if the procedure can be
successful. Below are a list of "program types" and a list of
"programs" on which to vote.
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Why don't you try to use a PHP (or ASP) script on Pricelessware website?
It would be easier to use and it would be easier to define which programs
should be on the list.

Greetings,
 
LEAVE ONLY THE PROGRAM TYPES THAT YOU USE OR HAVE USED.
Remove all program types that you do not use or have not used.
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MultimediaCodecTool
BackupTool
RegistryEditor
TextEditor
PDFTool
Calculator
ProgrammingTextEditor
TimeSynchronizer
CDTool
WebContentFilter
FileAttributesTool

LEAVE ONLY THOSE PROGRAMS THAT YOU WISH TO VOTE FOR.
Remove all programs that you do NOT wish to vote for.
----------------------

PDFCreator-PDFTool
ESBCalc-Calculator
AttributeChanger-FileAttributesTool
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Hope that makes sense. There are less programs than types because, for
example, the PDF Tool I use is MakePDF, which isn't listed (wasn't
'nominated' in your sample?)

Depending on how you use the results, I think it's basically a good
idea. For example, in the vote Inno Setup got 15 votes. I can easily
imagine that only maybe 16 people who voted use a setup generator,
which would rank it higher than say 1st Page 2000 with 19 votes, when
perhaps 80 voters use Web Creation software. Is that the idea behind
this? Or have I totally lost the plot somewhere;)
 
I feel that I should not vote for a program unless I have the knowledge.
Maybe that's just me.
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Can't see why that would be 'just you'. Why would you vote for a program if
you don't use it? Seems to me if people vote for programs on the basis of
so-and-so says it's great so I'll vote for it, the results could get kinda
skewed.
 
Hope that makes sense. There are less programs than types because, for
example, the PDF Tool I use is MakePDF, which isn't listed (wasn't
'nominated' in your sample?)

Depending on how you use the results, I think it's basically a good
idea. For example, in the vote Inno Setup got 15 votes. I can easily
imagine that only maybe 16 people who voted use a setup generator,
which would rank it higher than say 1st Page 2000 with 19 votes, when
perhaps 80 voters use Web Creation software. Is that the idea behind
this? Or have I totally lost the plot somewhere;)
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Question answered in discussion thread

Spacey
 
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Roger Spencelayh said:
Hope that makes sense. There are less programs than types because, for
example, the PDF Tool I use is MakePDF, which isn't listed (wasn't
'nominated' in your sample?)
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I only put the programs that had 11 votes this go around, for briefness.
Depending on how you use the results, I think it's basically a good
idea. For example, in the vote Inno Setup got 15 votes. I can easily
imagine that only maybe 16 people who voted use a setup generator,
which would rank it higher than say 1st Page 2000 with 19 votes, when
perhaps 80 voters use Web Creation software. Is that the idea behind
this? Or have I totally lost the plot somewhere;)
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You got it. That's the idea. Spacey
 
Spacey Spade said:
This is a trial run to see if a new voting procedure can be easily
understood by all. Please take part to see if the procedure can be
successful. Below are a list of "program types" and a list of
"programs" on which to vote.
Click to expand...

[CUT]

Why don't you try to use a PHP (or ASP) script on Pricelessware website?
It would be easier to use and it would be easier to define which programs
should be on the list.

Greetings,
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Question answered in discussion thread

Spacey
 
Matteo Riso said:
Spacey Spade said:
This is a trial run to see if a new voting procedure can be easily
understood by all. Please take part to see if the procedure can be
successful. Below are a list of "program types" and a list of
"programs" on which to vote.
Click to expand...

[CUT]

Why don't you try to use a PHP (or ASP) script on Pricelessware website?
It would be easier to use and it would be easier to define which programs
should be on the list.

Greetings,
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Because I don't know how. Did you just volunteer? :)

Spacey
 
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Some members of our newsgroup have presented the idea of "For" and
"Against" voting. A good review here:


You are given 3 options:

If you have used a program and recommend it for Pricelessware, you leave
the "for" vote, and delete the "against" vote.

If you have used a program and don't recommend it, you delete the "for"
vote and leave the "against" vote.

If you have not used the program, you delete both votes.

So far this method appears superior to what is proposed in this thread.
Thanks again for participating.

Spacey
 
Spacey Spade said:
Because I don't know how. Did you just volunteer? :)
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(Strange: I can't find this post in OE :( so I have to reply from
Google)

I don't know PHP but I know some good PHP programmers. I could talk to
them if you want.

Greetings,

Matteo Riso
http://www.zipgenius.it
 
This is a trial run to see if a new voting procedure can be easily
understood by all. Please take part to see if the procedure can
be successful. Below are a list of "program types" and a list of
"programs" on which to vote.

Special Instructions:
If you use a program type, leave it in even if you do not vote for
a program of that type. Vote for a program by not deleting it.

LEAVE ONLY THE PROGRAM TYPES THAT YOU USE OR HAVE USED.
Remove all program types that you do not use or have not used.
----------------------
ArchiveUtility
MultimediaCodecTool
BackupTool
RegistryEditor
TextEditor
PDFTool
EmailChecker
PacketSniffer
Calculator
ProgrammingTextEditor
UnixShell
WebBrowser
BrowserTool
TimeSynchronizer
CDTool
WebContentFilter
FileAttributesTool

LEAVE ONLY THOSE PROGRAMS THAT YOU WISH TO VOTE FOR.
Remove all programs that you do NOT wish to vote for.
----------------------

GSpot-MultimediaCodecTool
EDXOR-TextEditor
PopTray-EmailChecker
Ethereal-PacketSniffer
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Spacey Spade said:
LEAVE ONLY THE PROGRAM TYPES THAT YOU USE OR HAVE USED.
Remove all program types that you do not use or have not used.
----------------------
ArchiveUtility
PDFTool
EmailChecker
FileRenamer
WebDesignLogoMaker
PacketSniffer
Calculator
Astronomy
ProgrammingTextEditor
UnixShell
WebBrowser
TimeSynchronizer
WebContentFilter
FileAttributesTool

LEAVE ONLY THOSE PROGRAMS THAT YOU WISH TO VOTE FOR.
Remove all programs that you do NOT wish to vote for.
----------------------

PDFCreator-PDFTool
PopTray-EmailChecker
Ethereal-PacketSniffer
Cygwin-UnixShell
CrazyBrowser-WebBrowser
AttributeChanger-FileAttributesTool
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Spacey Spade wrote in
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My guess; once the voters understand the modus operandi of the
votes/users formula, very few will vote for a program while not also
claiming to use it.
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I guess differently. Why vote for a program you don't use ? That
doesn't make much sense to me.

Regards, John.
 
Old telephone books make ideal personal address books.
Simply cross out the names and addresses of people you don't know.
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That is really silly advice.




Everyone



knows



that



one



should



use



"new" telephone books



for



that. :-)
 
This is a trial run to see if a new voting procedure can be easily
understood by all.

LEAVE ONLY THE PROGRAM TYPES THAT YOU USE OR HAVE USED.
Remove all program types that you do not use or have not used.
Click to expand...

Laziness will ensure that everyone will NOT do that.

Besides, "types" can/should be worked out after the vote. Doing it
before splits votes between categories like we had last year. NOT a
good idea during the initial voting process.

You could perhaps have a "category vote" AFTER the program vote.
Interesting idea perhaps ?

LEAVE ONLY THOSE PROGRAMS THAT YOU WISH TO VOTE FOR.
Remove all programs that you do NOT wish to vote for.
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Laziness will ensure that everyone will NOT do that.



A solution ? As below ;

PLEASE PLACE "YES" BESIDE THE PROGRAMS YOU WANT. PUT
NOTHING BESIDE THE PROGRAMS YOU HAVEN'T USED AND
THOSE THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO VOTE FOR.

EG.
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ExtractNow-ArchiveUtility YES
PowerPro-DesktopManager
GSpot-MultimediaCodecTool YES
PolderBackup-BackupTool
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Etc. etc.

Regards, John.

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John Fitzsimons said:
"types" can/should be worked out after the vote. Doing it
before splits votes between categories like we had last year. NOT a
good idea during the initial voting process.
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This is a good idea. The positive votes for programs is the first step
to select what programs are very good freeware.

And I think the emphasis on categories is not needed at all.
It makes voting complicated, and categories is important only when
people search for programs.

There is very little reason for us to set a limit for the number of
programs in each category.

What does it matter if the voting results in several programs for
roughly the same purpose? It just shows that such programs are very
important and used by many, so it is natural that the voting results
in several such programs.

For the person who is looking for such a program it is just good if he
finds several programs, preferably ranked and described to help him
choose.

I think it would both simplify the voting procedure and give a fair
and useful result if we simply listed all the programs which got
enough positive votes.
(And removed those which people have justified objections to, or voted
against.)

Personally, I would even go so far as including all programs which got
more than say 3 votes, and received no or insignificant objections.

That would result in more programs on the web site, but I think that
is good for the user.

(It might not satisfy those who are trying to create a list of very
few, extremely good programs though. I don't agree with their view of
the purpose and usefulness of the list.)
 
Roger said:
Personally, I would even go so far as including all programs which got
more than say 3 votes, and received no or insignificant objections.
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Heck, three votes could just be the author and two friends!

That reminds me, did we ever figure out what to do about anonymous
voters? Did we disqualify them, or did we let them vote? In the above
example, seeing the names of the 3 voters would matter a lot in sorting out
potential fraud.
 
jason said:
Heck, three votes could just be the author and two friends!
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Maybe 4 or 5 then.
But the current system is wide open to fraud too, and we seem to trust
the current figures.
That reminds me, did we ever figure out what to do about anonymous
voters? Did we disqualify them, or did we let them vote? In the above
example, seeing the names of the 3 voters would matter a lot in sorting out
potential fraud.
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Usenet is a pretty anonymous medium anyway, it is not hard to set up a
number of identities if anybody wishes to do that, so I don't think
there is much reason to treat anonymous votes any differently than
others.

An anonymous vote is honest about his anonymity. There could be lots
of people around who use false identities without declaring it openly
as the anonymous person does.
 
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