[PL] 2004 Removals

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Set your system up as a network server both in Start/Control
Panel/System/Performance and in Ram Idle Cache.
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I've heard that recommendation before about the network server. Could you
explain what that does exactly? Also, would you recommend that setting
even without Ram Idle? I have a laptop that I use as a desktop. I tried
setting it up as a network server for awhile, but didn't notice any
performance improvements. Perhaps I just didn't know what to look for?
 
I've heard that recommendation before about the network server. Could you
explain what that does exactly?
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As I understand it, this causes Windows to allocate more resources
from your memory reserve. That is, it is a more aggressive setup than
a nominal workstation setup. More memory can be utilized under 9x - ME
than can be setup as a work station.
Also, would you recommend that setting even without Ram Idle?
Yes.

I have a laptop that I use as a desktop. I tried
setting it up as a network server for awhile, but didn't notice any
performance improvements. Perhaps I just didn't know what to look for?
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How much cache and ram do you have?

What mhz?
 
On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:49:02 GMT, (e-mail address removed) wrote:

Or, in short, I disagree with the many who have bashed these
utilities.
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Ditto.

I often have more stuff
open than I can keep up with and just don't have a problem. I can most
definitely tell RamIdle is running.
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Change the name RamIdle, for RamBooster, and I have the same situation
here. A clear difference between when I do/don't use it.

Regards, John.

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255 MB RAM
700 MHz
Not sure where I find the cache information...
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If celeron you have 128k cache. If you sprung for the more expensive
chip you have more high-level cache.

You should realize a performance gain in simply using network
settings. You would notice apps loading much more quickly after
clicking on them and less-to-no- resource depletion errors.

You have a processor spinning pretty darned quickly and ample ram for
most people. I think you might actually see the improvement if you
were to tax your system harder. It might not be apparent with nominal
system demands.

As is, if you see no improvement in network settings, you have ample
mem, resources, and a smooth system for what you are currently
running.
 
(e-mail address removed) wrote in

I've heard that recommendation before about the network server. Could you
explain what that does exactly?
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IIRC, this distributes processor cycles evenly among all
services/programs, rather than devoting more cycles to the program that
has focus (the one you are working on).

[snip]
I tried
setting it up as a network server for awhile, but didn't notice any
performance improvements. Perhaps I just didn't know what to look for?
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I didn't notice a difference either. I just took it on faith that it is
better.
 
If celeron you have 128k cache. If you sprung for the more expensive
chip you have more high-level cache.
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PIII here.
You should realize a performance gain in simply using network
settings. You would notice apps loading much more quickly after
clicking on them and less-to-no- resource depletion errors.
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In changing to a network server, I don't remember if apps ran more
quickly, but I did continue to have resource depletion problems.
You have a processor spinning pretty darned quickly and ample ram for
most people. I think you might actually see the improvement if you
were to tax your system harder. It might not be apparent with nominal
system demands.

As is, if you see no improvement in network settings, you have ample
mem, resources, and a smooth system for what you are currently
running.
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I'm always close to running out of resources. I use Quick Resource to
make sure I close excess programs/windows before it's too late.
 
PIII here.
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You have the larger cache.
In changing to a network server, I don't remember if apps ran more
quickly, but I did continue to have resource depletion problems.
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I'm always close to running out of resources. I use Quick Resource to
make sure I close excess programs/windows before it's too late.
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Can you easily past in your startup programs, or whatever processes
are running? Somethings wrong.
255 MB RAM
700 MHz
Not sure where I find the cache information...
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If you see a black screen as your system boots, press Pause and look
at it. The cache is usually on the right side in a box with several
other items of information. Also, see if you can see your processor
brand. There are differences in the processors, but I wouldn't think
they would cause this problem.

I think you can enter your bois setup and see the cache info also, if
you don't get the black screen.

What OS?
 
Can you easily past in your startup programs, or whatever processes
are running? Somethings wrong.
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Here ya go:

Listing of startup folders:

Shell folders Startup:
[C:\WINDOWS\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp]
NF Timer.lnk = C:\Program Files\No Frills Timer\nft.exe
PV2KTray.exe
Runit.exe.lnk = C:\Program Files\RunIt\Runit.exe
Proxomitron.exe.lnk = C:\Program Files\Proxomitron Naoko-4
\Proxomitron.exe
EDEXTER.EXE.lnk = C:\Program Files\eDexter\EDEXTER.EXE
Waterfall.lnk = C:\Program Files\Waterfall\Waterfall.exe
zonealarm.exe.lnk = C:\Program Files\ZoneAlarm\zonealarm.exe
Pimmy - New.lnk = C:\Program Files\Pimmy 331\Pimmy.exe
QuickResource.exe.lnk = C:\Program Files\Quick Resource\quickresource201
\QuickResource.exe
ATnotes.lnk = C:\Program Files\ATnotes\ATnotes.exe

Shell folders Common Startup:
[C:\WINDOWS\All Users\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp]
ZoneAlarm.lnk = C:\Program Files\ZoneAlarm\zonealarm.exe

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Autorun entries from Registry:
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run

ScanRegistry = c:\windows\scanregw.exe /autorun
SystemTray = SysTray.Exe
LoadPowerProfile = Rundll32.exe powrprof.dll,LoadCurrentPwrScheme
Norton Auto-Protect = C:\PROGRA~1\NORTON~1\NAVAPW32.EXE /LOADQUIET
Tweak UI = RUNDLL32.EXE TWEAKUI.CPL,TweakMeUp
RAM Idle = C:\Program Files\RamIdle\RAMIdle.exe

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Autorun entries from Registry:
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunServices

TrueVector = C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\ZONELABS\VSMON.EXE -service
MiniLog = C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\ZONELABS\MINILOG.EXE -service
LoadPowerProfile = Rundll32.exe powrprof.dll,LoadCurrentPwrScheme

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Autorun entries from Registry:
HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run

TClockEx = C:\PROGRAM FILES\TCLOCKEX\TCLOCKEX.EXE
Eraser = C:\PROGRAM FILES\ERASER5.2\ERASER.EXE -hide

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BTW, I normally don't run TweakUI and I just installed RAMIdle, so
they're the only new ones.
If you see a black screen as your system boots, press Pause and look
at it. The cache is usually on the right side in a box with several
other items of information. Also, see if you can see your processor
brand. There are differences in the processors, but I wouldn't think
they would cause this problem.

I think you can enter your bois setup and see the cache info also, if
you don't get the black screen.
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Okay thanks.
What OS?
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Win 98SE

BTW, I couldn't find any of the RamIdle settings you were talking about
except for the turn cpu monitor off. I'm thinking we're either talking
different versions (though I got mine off your web site), or I'm totally
missing something major here. I've looked on the Configuration screen,
which has four main screens: Main, Options, Shortcut and Tweaks. I tried
last night as well as this morning and still don't see the settings you
were talking about.

Set your system up as a network server both in Start/Control
Panel/System/Performance and in Ram Idle Cache. (COULDN'T FIND THAT
OPTION IN RAMIDLE)

Set the system profile in Ram Idle as Multimedia or Game System. I
don't do either, but this leaves an aggressively set chore for RI.
(COULDN'T FIND THAT OPTION IN RAMIDLE)

Under Tweaks, check the boxes for: (important)

Contiguous file allocation size. (COULDN'T FIND THAT OPTION IN TWEAKS OR
ELSEWHERE)

Add buffer for hard disk (that makes two buffers!). (COULDN'T FIND THAT
OPTION IN TWEAKS OR ELSEWHERE)

Make Windows use memory as much as possible. (COULDN'T FIND THAT OPTION
IN TWEAKS OR ELSEWHERE)
 
Here ya go:
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Listing of startup folders:
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**>NF Timer.lnk = C:\Program Files\No Frills Timer\nft.exe
PV2KTray.exe
Runit.exe.lnk = C:\Program Files\RunIt\Runit.exe
Proxomitron.exe.lnk = C:\Program Files\Proxomitron Naoko-4
\Proxomitron.exe
EDEXTER.EXE.lnk = C:\Program Files\eDexter\EDEXTER.EXE
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**>Waterfall.lnk = C:\Program Files\Waterfall\Waterfall.exe
**>zonealarm.exe.lnk = C:\Program Files\ZoneAlarm\zonealarm.exe
**>QuickResource.exe.lnk = C:\Program Files\Quick
**>Resource\quickresource201\QuickResource.exe

I'm not sure what a couple of these are. I see one resource hog: Zone
Alarm. I have a commercial version in a drawer where it can't hurt
anything <G>. I highly suggest giving Kerio 2.1.5 a try. PL/security.

Note that ZA is very difficult to remove. Do the uninstall and then
hit it with RegSeeker (take no prisoners!).

The waterfall.exe appears to be a screen saver, another resourse hog.
Consider living without it?

If Quick Resource is a constant poll program, shag it. Resource and
clock cycle hog.

If NF Timer is unnecessary, or large, consider removing it from the
startup list. It sounds like a poller and these work against us.

If you use the Windoze Scheduler to defrag, or whatever, at a certain
time chunk it and do it manually.

Then give Ram Idle a shot.
Win 98SE
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BTW, I couldn't find any of the RamIdle settings you were talking about
except for the turn cpu monitor off. I'm thinking we're either talking
different versions (though I got mine off your web site), or I'm totally
missing something major here. I've looked on the Configuration screen,
which has four main screens: Main, Options, Shortcut and Tweaks. I tried
last night as well as this morning and still don't see the settings you
were talking about.
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My mistake Jason. I install so much stuff it's really tough to keep
track of. The version I currently have installed is an unlimited
shareware version. I could have sworn that I reinstalled the freeware
version, but it looks like I did not. This version is very liberal,
use it until you decide to buy it. Here is a link if you would like to
match the version to the settings that I listed:

http://www.woundedmoon.org/win32/ramidl9x482.html

Otherwise, set what you think should be set and give the freeware
version a shot. Without the above resource hogs you will live without
resource problems and have a faster computer!
 
I'm not sure what a couple of these are. I see one resource hog: Zone
Alarm. I have a commercial version in a drawer where it can't hurt
anything <G>. I highly suggest giving Kerio 2.1.5 a try. PL/security.
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I've tried other firewalls, but I like ZA the best, and I used it under
Win95 without any resource problems. I've also used it under Win98SE
without any resource problems. The resource problems started about a
year ago...so ZA isn't the cause. Interestingly, the problems occurred
after I stopped using AOL...which had come with my system. After dumping
AOL, I started using an independent e-mail program as well as a news
client. Those are the only things I did differently. And I'd really
hate to get rid of those programs. So I basically live with the resource
problem and just watch my resources like a hawk.

The waterfall.exe appears to be a screen saver, another resourse hog.
Consider living without it?
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It's a CPU cooler.
If Quick Resource is a constant poll program, shag it. Resource and
clock cycle hog.
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Quick Resource is how I monitor my resources. Can't live without that
one. ;)
If NF Timer is unnecessary, or large, consider removing it from the
startup list. It sounds like a poller and these work against us.
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It's necessary for my dialup connection. I get cutoff every 5 hours and
want to keep an eye on the time I have left.
If you use the Windoze Scheduler to defrag, or whatever, at a certain
time chunk it and do it manually.
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Windows Scheduler is turned off...isn't even in my startup programs.
Then give Ram Idle a shot.
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Yup, doing that...

I see where you're coming from re: getting rid of certain startup
programs, but as you can see, the ones I keep are pretty vital to me. In
an effort to improve things, I've gradually removed some that were less
vital, like PTFB and Autosizer. But the ones I have now, I'd have
difficulty living without. I could give another go at looking at
firewalls, but at this point, I'd rather just live with the resource
problems. I will admit that one of the reasons I'm reluctant to
experiment with firewalls again is that Kerio had some issues with
Proxomitron. However, those issues may have been resolved, so at some
point, I might revisit the issue.
 
Spacey Spade wrote:
(e-mail address removed) wrote: [snip]
If Quick Resource is a constant poll program, shag it. Resource and
clock cycle hog.
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Quick Resource is how I monitor my resources. Can't live without that
one. ;)
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0.12% clock cycles on my PIII 600 laptop
2% system resources

hardly
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Yeah, looks ugly, but it's even uglier when I run out of resources since I
don't have an alert system. One of those weird dilemmas...
 
Spacey Spade wrote:
(e-mail address removed) wrote: [snip]
If Quick Resource is a constant poll program, shag it. Resource and
clock cycle hog.

Quick Resource is how I monitor my resources. Can't live without that
one. ;)
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[snip]

0.12% clock cycles on my PIII 600 laptop
2% system resources

hardly
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Yeah, looks ugly, but it's even uglier when I run out of resources since I
don't have an alert system. One of those weird dilemmas...
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Sorry... the response was to REMbranded... I don't think QR is a cpu
cycle hog or resource hot.
 
Sorry... the response was to REMbranded... I don't think QR is a cpu
cycle hog or resource hot.
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It's not as bad as I had imagined, but if you're running out of
resources 2% is an appreciable percentage. As Jason stated, it's a
strange dilemma.


zonealarm.exe.lnk = C:\Program Files\ZoneAlarm\zonealarm.exe
Norton Auto-Protect = C:\PROGRA~1\NORTON~1\NAVAPW32.EXE /LOADQUIET

I suspect these two are the main problem. Zone Alarm and it looks like
Norton AV? I didn't catch Norton the first time. In the days of DOS
Norton wrote quality programs. They haven't been very successful in
the WIN32 world.

Kerio and Grisoft AVG work great and do not demand nearly as much
resources as do ZA and Norton.
 
zonealarm.exe.lnk = C:\Program Files\ZoneAlarm\zonealarm.exe
Norton Auto-Protect = C:\PROGRA~1\NORTON~1\NAVAPW32.EXE /LOADQUIET

I suspect these two are the main problem. Zone Alarm and it looks like
Norton AV? I didn't catch Norton the first time. In the days of DOS
Norton wrote quality programs. They haven't been very successful in
the WIN32 world.

Kerio and Grisoft AVG work great and do not demand nearly as much
resources as do ZA and Norton.
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Yeah, I deinitely should make the switch to another AV program. Norton
came with my computer, but it's really out of date. It doesn't make sense
to keep it, especially if it's a resource hog. I do use F-Prot for on-
demand scans, but I need something for automatic intercept. I'll look into
Grisoft. Thanks REM.
 
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