Pigmented (Durabrite) inks vs. Dye inks ?

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It is probably worth a try with one. There are 3rd party companies
making dye ink for these printers, usually selling it quite
inexpensively. The basic head design is the same between the pigment
and dye ink printers. The places you might see change is in duration of
cleaning cycle, how often cleaning cycles occur "naturally", etc.,
Colors may be quite different, and so canned profiles might not "add up"
also.

Art
 
I deal with the issue of Epson clogs on a daily basis. Although there
is a variability based upon use, humidity levels, and even tolerances in
the printer design and construction, I have seen some trends.

The worse Epson for clogs are those using the Durabrite inks. Now,
these tend to be the lower end "business" 4 color printers, and perhaps
other design factors come into play, but I suspect the problem is that
Epson wants a fast drying ink since many people use these with plain
papers in a SOHO environment.

The dye inks seems to be next on the clog list, and finally the
Ultrachrome inks, which are least likely of the Epson inks to clog. The
reason seems to be that those inks have a lot of glycols in them, and
are, ultimately fairly slow drying.

Art


Fred said:
So, say one has a C-84 or C-86, or C-88 that Epson sells with Durabrite inks
(pigment base). Can one substitue dye-base inks and expect to get good
prints? It would seem that the software is set for the pigment-base and lots
of changes would need to be adjusted. However, the strongest reason for
change, from my point of view, is that there would be less tendancy for
clogging going to dye-base ink, if it's at all possible. And if it is
possible are there any companies that sell dye-based ink for these printers?
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Jan-

You have far more experience than most with these printers. Do you have
as much experience with other inkjets than Epson? Do you know for a fact
that non-pigment printers have significantly less trouble?

It seems to me that ANY inkjet printer will tend to clog when used in your
environment. One serious problem is that power gets turned off to the
printer without going through the printer's power-off process, and you
have no control over this.

The solution is obvious. Do not use inkjet printers. Use Laser
printers. I realize you may not have any control over this either, but if
it could be implemented, a system of color laser printers might turn out
to be more cost effective than continuing to use inkjets.

By connecting a number of computers to each Ethernet printer, you might
need fewer. Toner may be more expensive than ink cartridges, but for five
or ten times the cost, you can print a hundred times as many prints from a
set of toner cartridges. Laser printers may have their own set of
problems, but clogged jets isn't one of them!

Fred[/QUOTE]
 
Many of the 3rd party ink cartridges offered for Durabrite printers are
actually dye inks, this is moreso with the very inexpensive 3rd party
ink cartridge versions.

Art
 
ANOTHER REASON WHY THE RELABELERS CANNOT BE TRUSTED. ANOTHER
MISREPRESENTATION
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Yes, and another reason to buy quality bulk ink from a reputable seller,
and refill yourself.
 
Arthur said:
I deal with the issue of Epson clogs on a daily basis. Although there
is a variability based upon use, humidity levels, and even tolerances in
the printer design and construction, I have seen some trends.

The worse Epson for clogs are those using the Durabrite inks. Now,
these tend to be the lower end "business" 4 color printers, and perhaps
other design factors come into play, but I suspect the problem is that
Epson wants a fast drying ink since many people use these with plain
papers in a SOHO environment.

The dye inks seems to be next on the clog list, and finally the
Ultrachrome inks, which are least likely of the Epson inks to clog. The
reason seems to be that those inks have a lot of glycols in them, and
are, ultimately fairly slow drying.
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Can I just check this Art... I've been using the MIS inks for the C84 -
D88's and not quite upgraded to the MIS Pro inks yet.. but the MIS blurb
does actually call their brand "Ultrachrome equivalent" so I'd be
interested to see if this is actually the "least" likely to clog in your
list.

Can you please confirm... Thanks




Art
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(other responses snipped for brevity)
 
Jan Alter wrote:

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It would be helpful for me to hear if there is any possibility to using
or not using dye base inks in the rest of those C-84 printers. I had written
to MIS a month ago and they suggested that I simply print a purge pattern
each day on the machines to avoid clogging. If I depend on teachers doing
that I'm simply begging in the wind.
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Hey Jan... me again.

Just to note, there is a utility on the MIS site:
http://inksupply.info/index.php?_a=knowledgebase
(Use keyword "autoprint")

.... which can be installed on a server or other windows platform that
will schedule a print of any image you choose to use as a "purge"
pattern to keep the printer(s) exercised.

It's been used to good effect over summer and chrismas vacations this
past year in the school I mentioned previously and this "regular
exercise" of the printer help avoid the clogging issue.

Using the utility to schedule printing every X days means you don't have
to add another task to your staff to remember. The purge pattern
suggested by MIS also acts a prompt indicator for when the printer(s)
are in need of some attention so you can deal with an impending clog
quickly before it becomes a stubborn one.

Of course it does use ink but significantly less than cleaning cycles
and of course fewer hairs on your head as there's fewer clogs.

Art also mentioned something about the Ultrachrome inks potentially
being less clogsome than Durabrite (which I've asked him to clarify) so
it could well be that MIS inks are a good option after all.


Oh and just one other note... The MIS forum is now being handled by a
dedicated member of staff who definitely knows his stuff and has a bit
more of an approachable manner so it'd be worth checking a few things
out on there too.
http://mis.invisionzone.com/index.php


Appreciate this is probably a bit "broken record" like but hopefully
that lot above deals with some of the issues you noted... Oh and that
utility is compatible with any printer you choose to use so it's useful
even if you do move on to Canons or whatever.

Martin
 
I can't vouch for MIS's versions. I assume the MIS Ultrachrome
equivalent inks are pigment colorant, but I'm not sure they can or would
claim the other factors, like drying time, which has a determination
relative to the likelihood to clog, are also equivalent.

I just donut know. When people write me regarding MIS inks, they often
do not mention the ink series involved, so I can't even make an informal
conclusion regarding their inks.

Art
 
Arthur said:
I can't vouch for MIS's versions. I assume the MIS Ultrachrome
equivalent inks are pigment colorant, but I'm not sure they can or would
claim the other factors, like drying time, which has a determination
relative to the likelihood to clog, are also equivalent.

I just donut know. When people write me regarding MIS inks, they often
do not mention the ink series involved, so I can't even make an informal
conclusion regarding their inks.

Art
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Fair enough... In this instance I was looking at the 7600 ultrachrome
equivalent which has now been superceded by the MISPro inks. Both are
pigment type inks.

MIS are claiming similar drying times, to Epson OEM though so it's
possible it's all much the same.

Thanks for the information regardless. At least it'll stop me making an
ass out of myself with assumptions.

Martin
 
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