Outlook being phased out

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I grabbed this post off news.software.readers where a lot of the regulars
here go. For those that do not - you may want to get a clean copy of
Outlook Express to archive or move on to a freeware reader as I have.
What really pisses me off is M$ putting their money into Hotmail and MSN
- I haven't been able to get to my mail at M$ now for days. I just have
it to chat on MSN with a buddy, but those new mails keep accumulating and
I can't get at them!
Another nail in Mr. Gates' eventual downfall!
POKO

From: "Jero" <jero@DELETED!!ralphjacobs.co.uk.invalid>
Newsgroups: england.chat,
microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress,
news.software.readers
Followup-To: microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress

x-no-archive: yes

Follow-ups set to
microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress

--- <quote> ---

It might be the world's most widely distributed email client, but
Microsoft has
confirmed that it has no intention of further developing Outlook Express.

"[Outlook Express] just sits where it is," said Dan Leach, lead product
manager
for Microsoft's information worker product management group. "The
technology
doesn't go away, but no new work is being done. It is consumer email in
an early
iteration, and our investment in the consumer space is now focused around
Hotmail and MSN. That's where we're putting the emphasis in terms of new
investment and new development work."

While Outlook Express has always been most popular with individual
consumers,
many business users have also utilised it, in part because it is part of
its
default Windows install. Microsoft executives are hoping those users will
now
switch to the full-blown Outlook client (and pay for an Office licence in
the
process).

"IMAP is just not a very rich protocol," Steve Conn, Exchange Server
product
manager, told ZDNet Australia during the company's Tech Ed conference.
"The
great majority of people used Outlook Express because they weren't on a
LAN
environment, and Outlook was just too fat for them."

The currently-in-beta Outlook 2003 client has much lower bandwidth
requirements,
he said. In May, Microsoft revealed that it was no longer planning to
release
standalone versions of Internet Explorer, which includes the Outlook
Express
functionality. Future releases will only be made available as part of the
Windows platform.

--- </quote> ---
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POKO SAID THAT ...........
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It looks like it's about time to move to Mozilla. I currently use
slimbrowser which uses the IE engine.
POKO said:
I grabbed this post off news.software.readers where a lot of the regulars
here go. For those that do not - you may want to get a clean copy of
Outlook Express to archive or move on to a freeware reader as I have.
What really pisses me off is M$ putting their money into Hotmail and MSN
- I haven't been able to get to my mail at M$ now for days. I just have
it to chat on MSN with a buddy, but those new mails keep accumulating and
I can't get at them!
Another nail in Mr. Gates' eventual downfall!
POKO

From: "Jero" <jero@DELETED!!ralphjacobs.co.uk.invalid>
Newsgroups: england.chat,
microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress,
news.software.readers
Followup-To: microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress

x-no-archive: yes

Follow-ups set to
microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6_outlookexpress

--- <quote> ---

It might be the world's most widely distributed email client, but
Microsoft has
confirmed that it has no intention of further developing Outlook Express.

"[Outlook Express] just sits where it is," said Dan Leach, lead product
manager
for Microsoft's information worker product management group. "The
technology
doesn't go away, but no new work is being done. It is consumer email in
an early
iteration, and our investment in the consumer space is now focused around
Hotmail and MSN. That's where we're putting the emphasis in terms of new
investment and new development work."

While Outlook Express has always been most popular with individual
consumers,
many business users have also utilised it, in part because it is part of
its
default Windows install. Microsoft executives are hoping those users will
now
switch to the full-blown Outlook client (and pay for an Office licence in
the
process).

"IMAP is just not a very rich protocol," Steve Conn, Exchange Server
product
manager, told ZDNet Australia during the company's Tech Ed conference.
"The
great majority of people used Outlook Express because they weren't on a
LAN
environment, and Outlook was just too fat for them."

The currently-in-beta Outlook 2003 client has much lower bandwidth
requirements,
he said. In May, Microsoft revealed that it was no longer planning to
release
standalone versions of Internet Explorer, which includes the Outlook
Express
functionality. Future releases will only be made available as part of the
Windows platform.

--- </quote> ---
--
POKO SAID THAT ...........
reply to (e-mail address removed) don't use VIAGARA
Pat Keenan - Webmaster, Keenan Consulting
http://www.keenanconsulting.on.ca
silly portal: www.keenanconsulting.on.ca/portal.html
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* dansheen Wrote in alt.comp.freeware, on Wed, 13 Aug 2003 23:51:33 -0700:

OE not IE is being discontinued.
Click to expand...

IE as well. MS announced a couple of months ago that there would not be
a IE 7. Which ever web browser that comes with your future MS OS will be
designed for that OS only and will not be developed for use with prior
OS's. So for XP and older Windows OS's, IE 6 is it.
 
SINNER said:
* dansheen Wrote in alt.comp.freeware, on Wed, 13 Aug 2003
23:51:33 -0700:

OE not IE is being discontinued.
Click to expand...

IE is in a similar situation, the first next version will be the one
that ships with Windows Longhorn in (?) 2005. And if Microsoft gets
what it wants, then it will _not_ be available as a separate
download.

Regards,
Wald
 
POKO said:
I grabbed this post off news.software.readers where a lot of the regulars
here go. For those that do not - you may want to get a clean copy of
Outlook Express to archive or move on to a freeware reader as I have.
What really pisses me off is M$ putting their money into Hotmail and MSN
- I haven't been able to get to my mail at M$ now for days. I just have
it to chat on MSN with a buddy, but those new mails keep accumulating and
I can't get at them!
Another nail in Mr. Gates' eventual downfall!
POKO
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Actually, I "phased out" Outlook from off of my PC a while ago

:p

dos-man
 
* Wald Wrote in alt.comp.freeware, on Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:04:20 +0000 (UTC):
IE is in a similar situation, the first next version will be the one
that ships with Windows Longhorn in (?) 2005. And if Microsoft gets
what it wants, then it will _not_ be available as a separate
download.
Click to expand...

Not at all. IE will not be available as a separate download but
development goes on. OE on the other hand is dead, no more development,
no bug fixes. Both were always distributed with OS, OE will no longer
be.

Completely different scenarios.
 
And said:
Are you asking me why I do not support Bill Gates doing
this?
Click to expand...

No, he's asking why you re-posted a message that originally had
a "no archive" request at the top without putting a "no archive"
request in the first line.
 
IE is in a similar situation, the first next version will be the one
that ships with Windows Longhorn in (?) 2005. And if Microsoft gets
what it wants, then it will _not_ be available as a separate
download.
Click to expand...

I seem to recall Microsoft officials saying that there wasn't anything
better they could do with the browser, that further improvements
required tinkering with the OS. (Not that I believe them, of course.)
 
SINNER said:
(clipped)
Not at all. IE will not be available as a separate download but
development goes on. OE on the other hand is dead, no more development,
no bug fixes. (clipped)
Click to expand...

No great loss IMHO. On my system, I completely removed it.

The only concerns I have are that freeware alternatives won't survive
the Microsoft, Intel, IBM, HP and AMD alliance's "Trusted Computing"
initiative:

http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html

In my opinion, MS is discontinuing the mail reader so that you'll have
to purchase (excuse me, *RENT*) the full blown Outlook as part of
their office suite.

The number of freeware alternatives will shrink and may even start
costing money because of eventual "Trusted Computing" licensing costs.
Hackers out there will come up with software and hardware fixes to
overcome TC for a while until the industry makes changes to the
hardware that can't be overcome. Make no mistake about it, this is a
war and a very serious one. Don't get rid of your old computers.

The corruption of the United States government in allowing MS to
continue and worsen their unabated monopolistic shit just amazes me.

What a fu**ing world.
 
IE is in a similar situation, the first next version will be the one
that ships with Windows Longhorn in (?) 2005. And if Microsoft gets
what it wants, then it will _not_ be available as a separate
download.
Click to expand...

Which also probably means that it will be TIGHTLY integrated with the O/S so
that it CANNOT be removed.
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John Corliss said:
No great loss IMHO. On my system, I completely removed it.

The only concerns I have are that freeware alternatives won't survive
the Microsoft, Intel, IBM, HP and AMD alliance's "Trusted Computing"
initiative:

http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html

In my opinion, MS is discontinuing the mail reader so that you'll have
to purchase (excuse me, *RENT*) the full blown Outlook as part of
their office suite.

The number of freeware alternatives will shrink and may even start
costing money because of eventual "Trusted Computing" licensing costs.
Hackers out there will come up with software and hardware fixes to
overcome TC for a while until the industry makes changes to the
hardware that can't be overcome. Make no mistake about it, this is a
war and a very serious one. Don't get rid of your old computers.

The corruption of the United States government in allowing MS to
continue and worsen their unabated monopolistic shit just amazes me.
Click to expand...

So true John. This is one reason why Linux will survive and flurish. The
desktop will become simpler and easier to manage, to a point where hardware
manufacturers will begin to make machines available that do not conform to
the "corporate" standard, but are useable simply as home computing machines.
The hardware may cost more, but we won't have to pay for an OS that has tons
of "corporate" shit on board. I believe there will be a market, and MS
Windows, or whatever the OS grows into will become like Unix, where it
simply isn't seen for home use.
Just my opinion.
HK
 
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