OT(windows updates and patches)

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yar, 10/25/2005, 1:16:34 PM,


I administer 30+ computers at work and am required to install patches
and updates Microsoft releases. In the 5 years I have been doing this
on W2K and WXP machines I have only had a problem on two computers.
One was my own, which has so many installations and registry tweaks
that I would expect something like that to happen more often.

I have had two problems with updates, both easily solved:

1. One update changed some of my settings back to the default ones,
including changing the Windows swap file back to my overcrowded[1]
C: drive again, causing Windows to slow to a crawl (15 minutes to
open something, 3 hours for shutdown). Changing the swap file
back to my D: drive fixed things.

2. One update broke Windows Updates. The Start menu item no longer
works. (I think they hardwired in the wrong hostname or something
like that.) Setting Microsoft's Windows Update page as IE's home
page and just launching IE for updates works. (With rare exceptions,
I use Firefox, Opera or Lynx for browsing.)
In my opinion you are better off installing patches -- mostly for
security reasons. If you have problems after installing it is related
to other software or hardware drivers on your computer. Regardless,
keep track of what you are installing and if necessary you can always
uninstall it from the Add/Remove Programs applet unless it is one of
thse that you can't uninstall of course.

Indeed.

[1] Rant: Why do so many programs have installation routines that
installs automatically on drive C: without asking you where you
want it to install. The latest software guilty of that was the
Real Player plugin for Firefox needed to display something I wanted
to see. 22 [bleep]ing megabytes downloaded with a 14.4 modem and
it finally announced that it couldn't install because there was
insufficient room on my C: drive. I would have to uninstall half
the software on that drive (most of which also gave me no choice of
installation location) to make room and then download the Real Player
extension all over again. I like the installation procedure for
Alchemy Mindworks GIF Construction Set.[2] No hidden registry tweaks.
No fuss. Just unzip to the directory of your choice and create the
shortcuts you want. To uninstall, just drag the directory (assuming
only GIFCon was put there) into the Recycle Bin (a toilet on my
system).
[2] http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~af380/Tips.html#Tip020
 
Norman L. DeForest said:
yar, 10/25/2005, 1:16:34 PM,


I administer 30+ computers at work and am required to install patches
and updates Microsoft releases. In the 5 years I have been doing this
on W2K and WXP machines I have only had a problem on two computers.
One was my own, which has so many installations and registry tweaks
that I would expect something like that to happen more often.

I have had two problems with updates, both easily solved:

1. One update changed some of my settings back to the default ones,
including changing the Windows swap file back to my overcrowded[1]
C: drive again, causing Windows to slow to a crawl (15 minutes to
open something, 3 hours for shutdown). Changing the swap file
back to my D: drive fixed things.

That I never heard of. Basically needs to edit System.ini. I'd like to know
what update that was, as it's only ever happened to me due to Symantec.

2. One update broke Windows Updates. The Start menu item no longer
works. (I think they hardwired in the wrong hostname or something
like that.) Setting Microsoft's Windows Update page as IE's home
page and just launching IE for updates works. (With rare exceptions,
I use Firefox, Opera or Lynx for browsing.)

This is more credible. MS seem to have been through a period of a couple of
years (?) that I've always put down to patches not being tested properly for
now-defunct 9x systems. Before then I swore by Windows updates and, while
they seem to be reliable again, the lesson is be wary of everything!


Quite. In the same time there's been a not-quite-coincident variability in
Via and Nvidia (for example) updates quality, too. And there was the
Prescott XP update, so too an extent one's hardware plays a role in update
reliability.
[1] Rant: Why do so many programs have installation routines that
installs automatically on drive C: without asking you where you
want it to install. The latest software guilty of that was the
Real Player plugin for Firefox needed to display something I wanted
to see. 22 [bleep]ing megabytes downloaded with a 14.4 modem and
it finally announced that it couldn't install because there was
insufficient room on my C: drive. I would have to uninstall half
the software on that drive (most of which also gave me no choice of
installation location) to make room and then download the Real Player
extension all over again. I like the installation procedure for
Alchemy Mindworks GIF Construction Set.[2] No hidden registry tweaks.
No fuss. Just unzip to the directory of your choice and create the
shortcuts you want. To uninstall, just drag the directory (assuming
only GIFCon was put there) into the Recycle Bin (a toilet on my
system).
[2] http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~af380/Tips.html#Tip020

Have you tried http://www.free-codecs.com/download/Real_Alternative.htm?
They're where I go for Real and Quicktime viewers without the bloat of the
originals. Not sure you can choose different drives, but the size (and
following pita) sure is smaller!

Shane
 
[1] Rant: Why do so many programs have installation routines that
installs automatically on drive C: without asking you where you
want it to install.

Or, just as bad, ones that accept you want to install on D but
use a temp folder on C for the initial download - yes, I do
have the windows temp folder on D as well.

{thinks...}
....but maybe not the IE cache folder. light dawns...
 
Norman L. DeForest said:
yar, 10/25/2005, 1:16:34 PM,

this is a little off topic ,but i respect the opinion of those that
post here. is windows updates and patches a good thing? i see all
sorts of problems that are generated for users by doing this. the
solutions are just about as bad. in fact everything that MS does seems
to be very , how should i put it......not done very well.

I administer 30+ computers at work and am required to install patches
and updates Microsoft releases. In the 5 years I have been doing this
on W2K and WXP machines I have only had a problem on two computers.
One was my own, which has so many installations and registry tweaks
that I would expect something like that to happen more often.

I have had two problems with updates, both easily solved:

1. One update changed some of my settings back to the default ones,
including changing the Windows swap file back to my overcrowded[1]
C: drive again, causing Windows to slow to a crawl (15 minutes to
open something, 3 hours for shutdown). Changing the swap file
back to my D: drive fixed things.

That I never heard of. Basically needs to edit System.ini. I'd like to know
what update that was, as it's only ever happened to me due to Symantec.

It was quite a long time and several updates ago. I also had some updates
mess around with my directory displays. I prefer *most* of them to show
"details" but after a couple of updates I had to change my preferences for
a lot of them (virtually all of them; I still open up the occasional
directory I haven't looked at for a long time and find its display set to
"large icons") back to "details" from the "large icons" setting.

I've had one piece of software add a "NeverShowExt" entry to the registry
for *.url files after I had changed all "NeverShowExt" entries to
"AlwaysShowExt" to unhide *all* extensions.
This is more credible. MS seem to have been through a period of a couple of
years (?) that I've always put down to patches not being tested properly for
now-defunct 9x systems. Before then I swore by Windows updates and, while
^^

You have a funny way of spelling "at". :)
they seem to be reliable again, the lesson is be wary of everything!



Quite. In the same time there's been a not-quite-coincident variability in
Via and Nvidia (for example) updates quality, too. And there was the
Prescott XP update, so too an extent one's hardware plays a role in update
reliability.

Nvidia also has a *terrible* website for getting drivers. It should *not*
be necessary to have a JavaScript-capable browser to get drivers.
[1] Rant: Why do so many programs have installation routines that
installs automatically on drive C: without asking you where you
want it to install. The latest software guilty of that was the
Real Player plugin for Firefox needed to display something I wanted
to see. 22 [bleep]ing megabytes downloaded with a 14.4 modem and
it finally announced that it couldn't install because there was
insufficient room on my C: drive. I would have to uninstall half
the software on that drive (most of which also gave me no choice of
installation location) to make room and then download the Real Player
extension all over again. [...]
[snip]

Have you tried http://www.free-codecs.com/download/Real_Alternative.htm?
They're where I go for Real and Quicktime viewers without the bloat of the
originals. Not sure you can choose different drives, but the size (and
following pita) sure is smaller!

I'll have to have a look. Thanks.

I have an older version of Quicktime but Apple seems to have discontinued
support for Windows 98 in the latest version needed for some files.

Is there anything you can recommend for playing *.mp4 videos on a
Windows 98 machine?

ObACAV: and it is getting harder and harder to create emergency boot disk
sets with F-Prot. The last fp-def.zip file I downloaded broke the 3MB
barrier (using decimal megabytes). *Everything* is getting larger and
larger. (My current tactic is to use CARVE.EXE[1] to cut up the
definition files into pieces, have the first boot disk create a RAM-disk
and then have the autoexec.bat file (on all of the floppies in the set)
copy the pieces to the RAM-disk and reassemble them there.)

[1] They Slice! They Dice! They puree! -- utilities to get selected
parts of files or to cut files into pieces:
http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~af380/Tips.html#carvers
 
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 18:40:22 -0400, "Norman L. DeForest"

Big snip
Is there anything you can recommend for playing *.mp4 videos on a
Windows 98 machine?

You can dl Media Player Classic by gabest from here.
1.3 meg, no-install, freeware.
http://unc.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/guliverkli/mpc98me6482.zip

Its played everything I've thrown at it including Real video with
Real Alternative's help, freeware.
Homepage: http://www.codecguide.com/about_real.htm


Here's a clip from the MPC ini file which indicates MP4. I don't
recall ever trying an MP4 though.

[FileFormats]
RtspHandler=0
RtspFileExtFirst=1
Windows Media file=wmv wmp wm asf \0
Windows Media Audio file=wma \0
Video file=avi \0
Audio file=wav \0
MPEG Media file=mpg mpeg mpe m1v m2v mpv2 mp2v ts tp tpr pva \0
MPEG Audio file=mpa mp2 m1a m2a \0
DVD file=vob ifo \0
DVD Audio file=ac3 dts \0
MP3 Format Sound=mp3 \0
MIDI file=mid midi rmi \0
Indeo Video file=ivf \0
AIFF Format Sound=aif aifc aiff \0
AU Format Sound=au snd \0
Ogg Media file=ogm \0
Ogg Vorbis Audio file=ogg \0
CD Audio Track=cda \0
FLIC file=fli flc flic \0
DVD2AVI Project file=d2v \0
MPEG4 file=mp4 \0 <----------
MPEG4 Audio file=aac \0
Matroska Media file=mkv \0
Matroska Audio file=mka \0
Smacker/Bink Media file=smk bik \0
RoQ Media file=roq \0
Real Media file=rm ram rpm \1
Real Audio file=ra \1
Real Script file=rt rp smi smil \1
Dirac Video file=drc \0
DirectShow Media file=dsm dsv dsa dss \0
Shockwave Flash file=swf \3
Quicktime file=mov qt amr 3gp 3gp2 3g2 3gpp \2
Image file=jpeg jpg bmp gif pic png dib tiff tif \0
Playlist file=asx m3u pls wvx wax wmx mpcpl \0
Other=divx vp6 rmvb \0
 
Norman L. DeForest said:
Norman L. DeForest said:
On 25 Oct 2005, badgolferman wrote:

yar, 10/25/2005, 1:16:34 PM,

this is a little off topic ,but i respect the opinion of those that
post here. is windows updates and patches a good thing? i see all
sorts of problems that are generated for users by doing this. the
solutions are just about as bad. in fact everything that MS does
seems
to be very , how should i put it......not done very well.

I administer 30+ computers at work and am required to install patches
and updates Microsoft releases. In the 5 years I have been doing this
on W2K and WXP machines I have only had a problem on two computers.
One was my own, which has so many installations and registry tweaks
that I would expect something like that to happen more often.

I have had two problems with updates, both easily solved:

1. One update changed some of my settings back to the default ones,
including changing the Windows swap file back to my overcrowded[1]
C: drive again, causing Windows to slow to a crawl (15 minutes to
open something, 3 hours for shutdown). Changing the swap file
back to my D: drive fixed things.

That I never heard of. Basically needs to edit System.ini. I'd like to
know
what update that was, as it's only ever happened to me due to Symantec.

It was quite a long time and several updates ago. I also had some updates
mess around with my directory displays. I prefer *most* of them to show
"details" but after a couple of updates I had to change my preferences for
a lot of them (virtually all of them; I still open up the occasional
directory I haven't looked at for a long time and find its display set to
"large icons") back to "details" from the "large icons" setting.

I admit I do tend to do stuff like test installations or extracting the
files and looking at the infs therein, more out of boredom than a genuine
desire for that much control. And while I do prefer to have some extensions
hidden I have not seen those I make visible, reverting. What strikes me msot
though, is that I tend to use (at least these days) post-98 versions of
Windows largely because I don't like the user-unfriendliness the earlier
ones have by comparison. For example, I could change the 98 shortcut overlay
easily on a new 98se, but after updating it it's reverted and in order to
get my own overlay back I have to edit shell32.dll itself! Not something I
have to do post-98. Same with other little user-friendly features, so I can
well imagine the problems you report on Windows 98, but not Millennium or
XP.
I've had one piece of software add a "NeverShowExt" entry to the registry
for *.url files after I had changed all "NeverShowExt" entries to
"AlwaysShowExt" to unhide *all* extensions.

Yes, though I haven't seen that, I can see it happening.
^^

You have a funny way of spelling "at". :)

Apparently I have a number of funny ways :-)

Nvidia also has a *terrible* website for getting drivers. It should *not*
be necessary to have a JavaScript-capable browser to get drivers.

Yes. Though I have just noticed that with my Mass Downloader extension and
Javascript enabled but all the checkboxes cleared, I can download drivers
fron nvidia.com using Firefox with less trouble than I can using Internet
Explorer.
[1] Rant: Why do so many programs have installation routines that
installs automatically on drive C: without asking you where you
want it to install. The latest software guilty of that was the
Real Player plugin for Firefox needed to display something I wanted
to see. 22 [bleep]ing megabytes downloaded with a 14.4 modem and
it finally announced that it couldn't install because there was
insufficient room on my C: drive. I would have to uninstall half
the software on that drive (most of which also gave me no choice of
installation location) to make room and then download the Real
Player
extension all over again. [...]
[snip]

Have you tried http://www.free-codecs.com/download/Real_Alternative.htm?
They're where I go for Real and Quicktime viewers without the bloat of
the
originals. Not sure you can choose different drives, but the size (and
following pita) sure is smaller!

I'll have to have a look. Thanks.

I have an older version of Quicktime but Apple seems to have discontinued
support for Windows 98 in the latest version needed for some files.

Again, doesn't surprise me. Enough people are abandoning support for *all*
9x versions.
Is there anything you can recommend for playing *.mp4 videos on a
Windows 98 machine?

I forget what I used most recently, but as BoB observes,
http://www.free-codecs.com is a good place to look.
ObACAV: and it is getting harder and harder to create emergency boot disk
sets with F-Prot. The last fp-def.zip file I downloaded broke the 3MB
barrier (using decimal megabytes). *Everything* is getting larger and
larger. (My current tactic is to use CARVE.EXE[1] to cut up the
definition files into pieces, have the first boot disk create a RAM-disk
and then have the autoexec.bat file (on all of the floppies in the set)
copy the pieces to the RAM-disk and reassemble them there.)

As some here will be aware, this has become largely irrelevent to me,
although it *is* always a good point. Personally I use bootable cds now and
have well established how to put multiple AVs on it to run in a variety of
different ways, meanwhile Dave Lippman has done something similar with USB
sticks.
[1] They Slice! They Dice! They puree! -- utilities to get selected
parts of files or to cut files into pieces:
http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~af380/Tips.html#carvers

Haha! 'Bout time I checked that out again!


Shane
 
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