[OT]Request to Corliss-baiters

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If a lot of other people understand that we don't need those attitudes we
can make them understand that their ways and manners are not welcome.

The problem in most newsgroups is that a lot of people accept the rule of
the violent and accept the ideologies which lay behind these problems.
(as they often do in real life too)

We don't have to use foul language or spam them like 3iff does, it is
enough that a number of people tell them that such manners are not
acceptable.

A passive majority is the basic condition for the rule of violence and
the activity of spammers.
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Well said.
 
If nobody fights against the rule of violence we will continue to live in
a world ruled by violence
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Tell that to George Bush when he goes invading countries.
Do you want your children to be taught manners by somebody like JC?
By being threatened by physical violence?
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Isn't that what George Bush is teaching kids?
Some of the people who attack JC can quite correctly be characterized as
trolls, who spread just as much inhumanity as JC, but some of us are
actually trying to change the system.
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Yes, you are. This group used to discuss Freeware only, now I saw one post
earlier "How do I get Individual News" It's no longer Free, so why is it
here? And I've seen other posts in the past
 
Black Pearl said:
As a troll magnet (only partly justified) in another group I can tell you he
likely does NOT enjoy it. The enjoyment comes to the trolls who can badger
a person until they snap. JC didn't come here looking for trolls (I
presume, I'm not that old), he was involved in freeware, same as you. If
you're a regular, you make enemies. Some worse than others.
If they chase him off they win. I suspect he is as stubborn as I when it
comes to not capitulating.
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Small communities need volunteers.
The garbage truck driver just quit, something about too many
litter bins and Keep Freetown Tidy stickers affecting civil liberties.
Now flies buzz lazily about the dead dog, waiting for the chariot to
heaven.
People are starting to avoid Freetown.
 
Most newsgroups are ruled by violent people
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You are confused (again) about whether most newsgroups are controlled
or not. They are not. I wish you luck in finding more plausible
excuses for starting your rants about how society should work.
 
Michael said:
Could the Corliss baiters do the rest of us a favour? If you insist on
prodding him, when you use his name in your posts could you stick to
the proper spelling so the rest of us can filter those messages out?
When you mess around with the spelling, makes it difficult to set up
a rule to get rid of them. Some of you do contribute useful stuff
periodically, so I don't want to killfile an individual who might be
helpful.

I was dismayed to see Corliss return because he's trollbait. Almost
immediately he started with the soapbox thing. I've killfiled him but
would also like to remove the non-productive messages meant to
antagonize him. Leave the war out of the ng as it were. . . By all
means, the trolls and Mr. C can continue their love-hate
relationship but please make it easy for the rest of us to stick to
the point of this ng.

M
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Nice try, Michael. However your attempt to restore some order and
decency to this cyber-stage for some people's egos will fall short.
Whatever promises you get from the trolls are hollow and short-lived
because they WANT to be seen by everyone.

John Corliss is merely an excuse for the trolls to grab the attention
they crave. If he goes away for good they will just find someone else.
Unfortunately for John, he has the personality that will not ignore the
attention whores and keeps falling for their traps. Standing up for
something you believe in is an admirable trait, but it often attracts
enemies who don't have the same kind of convictions.

Believe it or not, this group is much more restrained than some others
I frequent. I asked a simple question about daytime driving lights in
a Toyota newsgroup and so far that thread is up to 389 replies of
insults, threats, profanity, and complete verbal abuse between several
individuals very similar to the antagonists in this group.

The bottom line is don't depend on others to change their behavior.
You will be sorely dissapointed.
 
Michael said:
I may yet do that if I see that he isn't a useful contributor. (No, I
haven't tried his / her link -- I know nothing about him / her. I'm
just here for the freeware.) When Corliss was gone, this ng seemed to
get a lot more productive though that may have been "rose coloured
glasses" on my part. I know nothing about Corliss either, but I do
know he brings out the worst in this ng when he's around. He's a
troll magnet. I think he knows that and enjoys it in an unhealthy
way. I hoped he would stay away like he promised (twice now) but no
such luck. . .

As for the ones who prod him, for now I'm giving them the benefit of
the doubt. But they'll soon be joining him in my noseeum list if they
are simply wasting my screen real estate with nothing useful. God
bless the power of newsreaders.

BTW. Don't these people have jobs or families? I come here once a day
in the a.m. for a look see. I post the occasional reply or longer
post to recent freeware findings but otherwise I'm too busy. Yet
Corliss and his opponents seem to be engaging in their love affair
all the the time. . .

'Nuff said.
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Off your soap box now? By the way TINU.



--
He released government from the restraint of law.
____Lord Acton on Niccolo Machiavelli (1469-1527), George W. Bush, and
the Straussian neocons

Ellis_Jay
 
If a lot of other people understand that we don't need those attitudes we
can make them understand that their ways and manners are not welcome.

The problem in most newsgroups is that a lot of people accept the rule of
the violent and accept the ideologies which lay behind these problems. (as
they often do in real life too)

We don't have to use foul language or spam them like 3iff does, it is
enough that a number of people tell them that such manners are not
acceptable.

A passive majority is the basic condition for the rule of violence and the
activity of spammers.

If a violent person shows up in the park where your children play, and he
uses violent threats against the children he thinks need to learn some
manners, what do you as parents do?

Put a filter on your ears and eyes so you don't see what happens?

Accept his leadership and see your children learn to be tougher, learn to
live with a lot of controlled anger?

Go together and tell him very seriously that he is not welcome unless he
is prepared to really change his attitude?
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You are an antagonist. Do you not see that this person that you speak of
is tormented by the people that you surely by actions idolize by word and
deed?

You do not speak of the people that really start this dissention within
the group toward the person you obviously, with mere words, do not like.

Or are you not able to stand up to the mob, step back
like the neutralist in your better writings - that are actually
informative - and rather pick on a person who has not done anything to you?

Would you rather sully the name of 456 Berea Street whose articles and
reviews of which I have read with respect for the clarity, far-sightedness
and, may I say, cutting-edge that they convey. I do not wish to think
said articles were not written independantly, unbiased and not the mere
prose of a robot of the not-so-far future and/or the current mob
mentality?
Come on. Have you ever been to the United States other than the
news? Remember, the USA is the most news saturated country in the world.
Three hundred million people can't all be wrong. Ask the flies.
 
I agree 100% with you here.
3iff is just as much a part of the problem as JC.

The ideology behind that behavior is that 3iff and such people think they
are to teach JC to control his anger, by harassing him until he learns or
goes totally crazy and does something which puts him in jail.
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Like in Sweden. Or is that American news you watch
Those are the usual procedures in a cultural pattern where men have to
harbor a lot of anger and hate, but learn to be very controlled, to fit
well into the society. Many women love silent and strong men who have been
trained like that. Such men carry a lot of respect with them.
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Where is that cultue Roger? The United States
But the process often fails, and we see a massacre on a school yard or in
the post office, some men go crazy, other become criminals or alkoholics,
some become drug addicts or weight lifters, some beat up their women,
etc..

In the industrialized world we now see how even women and children are
trained in violence and selfcontrol. Young girls takes knifes with them to
school to be able to defend themselves. Yeah, that is a good idea, to
abolish the patriarchal structure by making everybody into men, (not).
Instead we should stop the rule of violence and replace it with more human
ways and manners.
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Don't watch American news.
Many of us agree on that, but the question is how that should be achieved.
I think it is necessary to start from the top, stop the most violent guys,
and the leaders of the other inhumane guys. If they cannot understand the
need to stop using violence and foul language, even if we explain the
situation to them, we have to use other means.
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And others will goose-step behind? SS in Scandinavia ring a bell?
 
BobS said:
John,

You probably have me still in your kill file but somehow, I think you'll
still read this. I can remember my first post to this news group a year or
so ago and your reply. It was anything but helpful and certainly was
designed to irritate. And you wonder why people get pissed at you....

I have no idea what this persons beef is with you but I'd bet you deserve it
though - just based on past experience with your paranoia in this ng. I
wish he would clean it up but hey, it's still a free country and we can hope
common decency will prevail.

Point being John, you may have been helpful at some point in time but you
kinda went overboard with the attitude of, "This is my ng, you'll do things
my way or bear my wrath" and then your smart-ass replies to anyone that had
a different opinion. You're wound way to tight John, and need to lighten
up. This is a news group - not a way of life.

If you have something useful to offer someone - then offer it up and stop
being the net-nanny of the ng and you'll see that things will go a lot
smoother. Try it and see...

Bob S.


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Bob, I don't have you in my killfile.
 
I have been a grateful member, mostly a lurker, of this ng for several
years. I can't understand what this John Corliss controversy is about,
especially the comments about his supposed violence.
This is an electronic medium. All the relationships here are virtual,
so a virtual threat is not likely to break many bones. I do believe in
the necessity for justified violence, and as a result I know something
about it. My observation of virtual communities leads me to see that
most of the tough guys here wouldn't be so tough in the real world,
especially in my old neighborhood.
 
You are confused (again) about whether most newsgroups are controlled
or not. They are not.
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I suppose he meant "control" in the sense of cowering other people (mainly
newbies) into doing what they say.
I wish you luck in finding more plausible
excuses for starting your rants about how society should work.
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That said, I did find Roger's soapbox speech a little too dramatic.
 
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