OT Paypal Service

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R. L.

Hi guys,
I ran into this article. Since I notice that a lot of
freeware authors and freeware sites are using paypal, I think
it might perhaps be of interest to some.

I personally don't use Paypal and I don't know how reliable
this article is, but the tips offered in the article (by a PP
ex-employer) seems to be useful for anyone who are using PP
service.


http://www.paypalsucks.com/forums/showthread.php?fid=6&tid=
1529&old_block=0





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R. L. said:
Hi guys,
I ran into this article. Since I notice that a lot of
freeware authors and freeware sites are using paypal, I think
it might perhaps be of interest to some.

I personally don't use Paypal and I don't know how reliable
this article is, but the tips offered in the article (by a PP
ex-employer) seems to be useful for anyone who are using PP
service.


http://www.paypalsucks.com/forums/showthread.php?fid=6&tid=
1529&old_block=0
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WOW! That really sucks, bigtime. Thanks for posting this. Maybe
somebody should turn them in to the United States' FTC for investigation.
 
In John Corliss posted:
WOW! That really sucks, bigtime. Thanks for posting this. Maybe
somebody should turn them in to the United States' FTC for
investigation.
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Hogwash, they have been investigated, see
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/07/29/paypal_class_settlement/ !
Just a small bunch of disatified users who don't know how to read
Terms & Conditions, and who probably shouldn't be allowed to enter
into any financial transaction.
I've used PayPal for years with minimal problems all of which were a
result of my misunderstanding or error.
PayPal has had its share of class action lawsuits and has entered into
dispute resolution settlements, all of which imo does nothing to
detract from an eBay company that provides a great service with
cost-effective funtionality (and no competitor that comes even close).

For full disclosure, an eBay (owner of PayPal) stockholder,
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Hogwash, they have been investigated, see
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/07/29/paypal_class_settlement/ !
Just a small bunch of disatified users who don't know how to read
Terms & Conditions, and who probably shouldn't be allowed to enter
into any financial transaction.
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<snip>

Without starting a war, I feel insulted. I am not dummy and the crap
that happened to me was not something that I screwed up. I was robbed,
but fortunately, my money was returned.

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In El Gee posted:
<snip>

Without starting a war, I feel insulted. I am not dummy and the crap
that happened to me was not something that I screwed up. I was
robbed, but fortunately, my money was returned.
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I do not know of your particular problem (nor do I care). Still
pissed, join the class action suit and get your settlement share?
If you were "robbed" (in your opinion), most likely/statistically it
was a result of you having left access to your ID & password available
to unauthorized individuals (whether you are cognizant of how you did
or not).
If you recovered your loss, it is because companies like paypal have
insurance for such potential situations, or you have filed a claim
with your own insurance company which provides underwriting for claims
like these.
In either case, regardless of who "screwed up", your crap was resolved
via standard capitalist business and regulatory policies, procedures,
and practices; and all the paypalsucks.com rantings from the
(Swedish?) socialist world you're apparently a member of, does not
change this fact.

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El said:
<snip>

Without starting a war, I feel insulted. I am not dummy and the crap
that happened to me was not something that I screwed up. I was robbed,
but fortunately, my money was returned.
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In the past, I read many posts on a Paypal complaint newsgroup about Paypal
keeping buyer payments from the seller, cheating the seller. So I never allowed
payments by Paypal in my ads. Maybe the Paypal experience is different when you
are a seller.

Mike Sa
 
Hogwash, they have been investigated, see
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/07/29/paypal_class_settlement/ !
Just a small bunch of disatified users who don't know how to read
Terms & Conditions, and who probably shouldn't be allowed to enter
into any financial transaction.
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PayPal apparently felt that it was a good idea to pay that small bunch
of dissatisfied users 9.25 millon USD. If the suit had been without
merit, I'd expect a much smaller settlement, if any.
 
In ms posted:
In the past, I read many posts on a Paypal complaint newsgroup about
Paypal keeping buyer payments from the seller, cheating the seller.
So I never allowed payments by Paypal in my ads. Maybe the Paypal
experience is different when you are a seller.

Mike Sa
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See http://www.epinions.com/content_106341437060 .
Suggest you stop reading the biased complaint-only newsgroups.

If you are a Seller and not offering PayPal, you are losing sales and
providing a disservice to your customers. To be able to send money
instantaneously to anyone in the world with an email address, is a
fabulous service; and for those small time merchants who cannot afford
to set up their own credit/debit card services, it is a godsend.

DanlK, FYI Services
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____________________________________________
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In »Q« posted:
PayPal apparently felt that it was a good idea to pay that small bunch
of dissatisfied users 9.25 millon USD. If the suit had been without
merit, I'd expect a much smaller settlement, if any.
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I am sure the suit had merit. I too have had what I believe was
serious Customer Service problems with PayPal (including erroneous
account suspension), and have emailed Meg Whitman directly at ebay and
got'm resolved within a reasonable timeframe.
Regaldless, problems and law suits are common with a start-up industry
leading company such as this; and settling for *only* $9.25M a
blessing imo.

DanlK, FYI Services
www.FYIS.org
Visit our re-opened eBay store @ http://tinyurl.com/35wgv !
____________________________________________
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In either case, regardless of who "screwed up", your crap was
resolved via standard capitalist business and regulatory policies,
procedures, and practices; and all the paypalsucks.com rantings
from the (Swedish?) socialist world you're apparently a member of,
does not change this fact.
Click to expand...

You claim every PayPal screwup has been resolved? The link you posted
was about a settlement that excluded Swedish users, among many other
groups.
 
FYIS.org/estore said:
In ms posted:



See http://www.epinions.com/content_106341437060 .
Suggest you stop reading the biased complaint-only newsgroups.

If you are a Seller and not offering PayPal, you are losing sales and
providing a disservice to your customers. To be able to send money
instantaneously to anyone in the world with an email address, is a
fabulous service; and for those small time merchants who cannot afford
to set up their own credit/debit card services, it is a godsend.
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That's obvious. I was not even a small time merchant. But as I said, (certainly in
the past) Paypal falsly kept payments from sellers, after sellers had shipped
items to buyers. Yes, I lost some buyers, but did have good feedback from
satisfied buyers. Now, I would focus on Bidpay, had very good results with them.

Mike Sa
 
In ms posted:
That's obvious. I was not even a small time merchant. But as I said,
(certainly in the past) Paypal falsly kept payments from sellers,
after sellers had shipped items to buyers. Yes, I lost some buyers,
but did have good feedback from satisfied buyers. Now, I would focus
on Bidpay, had very good results with them.

Mike Sa
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This being alt.comp.freeware, my guess is that you are more enamored
with BidPay being free for auction Sellers, than PayPal having more
functionality. And as to "Paypal falsly kept payments from sellers", I
would suggest PayPal being innocent until being proven guilty in a
court of law (show me the court rulings); the pending law suit does
not claim paypal kept payments. Sounz more like sour grapes Sellers
who had their accounts frozen while various disputes were being
challenged by Buyers or the banks involved.

DanlK, FYI Services
www.FYIS.org
Visit our re-opened eBay store @ http://tinyurl.com/35wgv !
____________________________________________
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FYIS.org/estore said:
In ms posted:



This being alt.comp.freeware, my guess is that you are more enamored
with BidPay being free for auction Sellers, than PayPal having more
functionality. And as to "Paypal falsly kept payments from sellers", I
would suggest PayPal being innocent until being proven guilty in a
court of law (show me the court rulings); the pending law suit does
not claim paypal kept payments. Sounz more like sour grapes Sellers
who had their accounts frozen while various disputes were being
challenged by Buyers or the banks involved.

DanlK, FYI Services
www.FYIS.org
Visit our re-opened eBay store @ http://tinyurl.com/35wgv !
____________________________________________
Don't forget to put this html code on your web page:
<SCRIPT language=JavaScript
src="http://www.georgewbush.com/WStuff/BPForm.aspx">
</SCRIPT>
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I won't debate with you. There WERE newsgroups devoted to problems with Paypal.
Before you defend it, search for the problems and see what users say. I never had
a problem with it as I never used it in 2 years on Ebay. My OP was about what
others had experienced, and some of my buyers confirmed it.

Mike Sa
 
In ms posted:
I won't debate with you. There WERE newsgroups devoted to problems
with Paypal. Before you defend it, search for the problems and see
what users say. I never had a problem with it as I never used it in 2
years on Ebay. My OP was about what others had experienced, and some
of my buyers confirmed it.
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Well, there certainly aren't going to be any newsgroups devoted to the
successes with PayPal!
Try epinion.com for those. Suggest you not believe everything you read
on the internet/usenet; like I said, sounz like sour grapes Sellers.

Btw, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn I sell ya cheap!
DanlK, FYI Services
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WOW! That really sucks, bigtime. Thanks for posting this.
Maybe somebody should turn them in to the United States'
FTC for investigation.
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Yes, it really kind of sucks.
On a seperate note, I usually tried to avoid making payment
through Paypal even before I read this article.

Part of me feels that it simply doesn't worth it to give out
my credit card information on the Internet just for a small
amount purchase through a service like this (especially for a
donation or something). If possible, I rather send a check to
a post office mail box rather than going through paypal.

I hope there would be better options in the future. I think a
better option would be to have this kind of service run by a
more reputable bank of some kind rather than just a "company"
because if it is a bank it needs to run under certain fincial
laws.



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In R. L. posted:
Yes, it really kind of sucks.
On a seperate note, I usually tried to avoid making payment
through Paypal even before I read this article.

Part of me feels that it simply doesn't worth it to give out
my credit card information on the Internet just for a small
amount purchase through a service like this (especially for a
donation or something). If possible, I rather send a check to
a post office mail box rather than going through paypal.

I hope there would be better options in the future.
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You haven't a clue how PayPal works, or all their options, do you?
You can pay with a credit card or checking account. Try an eCheck next
time!
Btw, what is this "send a check"? I haven't written/seen a paper check
in nearly 10 years said:
I think a
better option would be to have this kind of service run by a
more reputable bank of some kind rather than just a "company"
because if it is a bank it needs to run under certain fincial
laws.
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See
http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/ir/licenses-outside
http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/fdic-outside
&
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_pbp-info-outside

Ignorance is bliss!

DanlK, FYI Services
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In R. L. posted:
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You haven't a clue how PayPal works, or all their options,
do you?
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Maybe I haven't then, I thought you need to give them your
account number, don't you? You always have to do that when
you buy things online. Perhaps Paypal is different then.
You can pay with a credit card or checking account.
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yes, but don't you need to give them your account number?
Btw, what is this "send a check"?
I haven't written/seen a
paper check in nearly 10 years,
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I think 95% of my friends living here are still using checks.
I know, sometimes people just assume that this is an U.S.A
only group (Ignorance is bliss).
get with the program,
fella. <eg>
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Thanks for the suggestion. Sound like you are a very nice
guy. I am glad that you are so blessed with your Paypal
experiences. (but of course, in the meantime, I guess I still
have to figure out why my personal perference that I expressed
has triggered such a strongly voiced and negatively toned
concern from you. I guess people have much less torlerance
nowaday)
See
http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/ir/licenses-outsi
de
http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/fdic-outside
&
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_pbp-info-outside
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Thank you for the information, when I one day decide I will
use paypal, I might read them. I am sure many would find them
useful.
Ignorance is bliss!
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Agree, I guess nowaday many just forget the basic politeness
or manner in posting - ignorance is really a bliss only that
others need to put up with such kinds of rude postings.

Hope you have a nice day and good business with your ebay
store (btw, don't worry, not everyone is like I am, a lot of
people would still love to buy things through ebay stores just
like the one that you are running, you won't loss any business
just becasue of this thread, chill out sweetheart).




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In R. L. posted:
"FYIS.org/estore" <FYIS.org/[email protected]> says in




Maybe I haven't then, I thought you need to give them your
account number, don't you? You always have to do that when
you buy things online. Perhaps Paypal is different then.


yes, but don't you need to give them your account number?
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Suggest you take the PayPal FAQ tour.
I think 95% of my friends living here are still using checks.
I know, sometimes people just assume that this is an U.S.A
only group (Ignorance is bliss).
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I don't assume usenet is usa only, I am am well aware that a
eurosocialists majority reside here. How else can you socialists
survive but with the free giveways from the capitalists. <eg>
I thought Dresdner (among others) had online banking/bill paying:
https://www.dresdner-privat.de/index.html?con=/fb/advance_bank/ab_umleitung.html.
If 95% of euro is still using paper checks, g-d help your economy in
the futire!

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In R. L. posted:
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I don't assume usenet is usa only, I am am well aware that
a eurosocialists majority reside here. How else can you
socialists survive but with the free giveways from the
capitalists. <eg> I thought Dresdner (among others) had
online banking/bill paying:
https://www.dresdner-privat.de/index.html?con=/fb/advance_ba
nk/ab_umleitung.html. If 95% of euro is still using paper
checks, g-d help your economy in the futire!
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<lol>...don't know anything about that, either; not "euro-
anything" here - so the "you socialists" doesn't apply and you
need to ask them about their own futire and that 90 some % thing
<g>.

(g-d know that maybe communists we are ;-) )







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