[OT] Opera 7 Adware Version

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I know...... but it's still better than Opera!
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Based on the fact that you don't like ads - not for any clear
technical reason.

I know, Opera does crash occasionally - in fact, too frequently in my
view - because of poor support of Microsoft non-standard JScript and
asp and whatnot. And I think they need to support that crap anyway
just to let people use Opera to access those idiot sites that use it.

But in all other respects, Opera is the best browser out there.

I've seen the Mozilla page where they discuss reasons to switch to
Mozilla - every one of them is already in Opera. But Mozilla can't
match Opera's speed.
 
Richard Steven Hack said:
Based on the fact that you don't like ads - not for any clear
technical reason.
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And the fact it doesn't support VBScript/ASP etc, and it's slower than Avant
(in my experience). The fact that I detest programs that contain adverts is
only a part of it ;o)

I know, Opera does crash occasionally - in fact, too frequently in my
view - because of poor support of Microsoft non-standard JScript and
asp and whatnot. And I think they need to support that crap anyway
just to let people use Opera to access those idiot sites that use it.
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I could certainly understand their reasons if they had that support but had
it disabled (with an option to enable it) because of potential security
issues, but to not include it at all is just stupid IMHO.

btw, "idiot sites"????....... most of my site's use VBScript, as do a heck
of alot of others.

But in all other respects, Opera is the best browser out there.
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I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

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Steven Burn said:
It was never faster when I tried it..........
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IE is faster on web pages with HTML/CSS/JS/etc. errors in it (like your
site: 13 errors in the 31-line frameset index page.)
 
JanC said:
IE is faster on web pages with HTML/CSS/JS/etc. errors in it (like your
site: 13 errors in the 31-line frameset index page.)
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lol, I wasn't even aware my site had errors in it :o(

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Richard said:
I have yet to find or hear about a browser that renders as fast as
Opera in most cases.
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Off By One is noticeably faster than Opera. I've used Opera as my
main browser almost since it first appeared, and upgraded to v7.23
on 11/21/03 the day the final rendition came out. I use Off By One
as a backup browser and for quick look-ups only, because it's not a
fully fleshed-out browser. Hell, loading it from scratch and
pasting in a URL it usually brings up a page faster than any other
browser which is already running and ready to go!

I just installed 7.23 a week or two ago, and it is noticeably faster
even than 7.11, and that was faster than IE, K-Meleon and Mozilla. I
doubt very much that Avant - which is based on the IE rendering engine
- can be faster.
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I know Opera is faster than K-Meleon and Firebird and IE and Avant,
as well as several others I've got or have tried out, because I've
seen that for myself. However, I bought Opera, twice, so I don't
know if the adware factor has an effect. Don't have Mozilla, and
Navigator v4.08 was as far as I went with Netscape.

Firebird and K-Meleon are really nice, and I have them for backups
and for specialized usages. But Opera has a package of features
which really clicks with me. A few of them are geezer options, but,
well...
 
Off By One is noticeably faster than Opera.
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OffByOne is a joke. It supports HTML 3.2 and "many parts of 4.0"
according to the homepage. That's what I'd consider broken. If all
you're after is speed, you might as well use a dirt old version of Opera
or a text-only browser such as Links.
 
Rhexis cast forth electrons:
Russ wrote


OffByOne is a joke. It supports HTML 3.2 and "many parts of 4.0"
according to the homepage. That's what I'd consider broken. If all
you're after is speed, you might as well use a dirt old version of
Opera or a text-only browser such as Links.
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Lynx.

If you hadn't lifted one line out of context, your response would
have been a non sequitur. Tsk.
 
Russ said:
Lynx.
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No, I meant what I wrote: Links. I prefer it to Lynx.

http://links.sourceforge.net/
If you hadn't lifted one line out of context, your response would
have been a non sequitur. Tsk.
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Why? What's lifted out of context? You were recommending OffByOne as a
good 2nd browser, right? That you only use it as a "backup browser and for
quick look-ups only, because it's not a fully fleshed-out browser" doesn't
really change the fact that no one[1] uses HTML 3.2 anymore.

[1] Except for the technology (!) site Slashdot.org, I guess.
 
Rhexis said:
Links. I prefer it to Lynx.

http://links.sourceforge.net/
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Interesting. It's only a beta when it comes to Windows, and it's
text only, and no one has worked on it for a while ("Last updated:
Tue May 13 04:54:05 PDT 2003"), but I'll admit I hadn't even heard
of it.

I'll take Off By One, though, because many places I do want more
than just the text.
You were recommending OffByOne as a good 2nd browser, right?
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Not alone as a backup ("Firebird and K-Meleon are really nice, and I
have them for backups and for specialized usages"), because for one
thing you can't make it your default browser. Off By One is "a"
backup, as is any browser which isn't the main one, but it's
primarily for quick lookups.
That you only use it as a "backup browser and for quick look-ups
only, because it's not a fully fleshed-out browser" doesn't really
change the fact that no one[1] uses HTML 3.2 anymore.
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Nonsense, and a browser which renders 3.2 will normally do the job.
Maybe one time in 400 it won't bring up the site I'm surfing to.
Usually because some idjit has copy and pasted sample code from his
1997 volume of JavaScript For Dummies which checks to see if the
user-agent is Microsoft Bigod Explorer or Nutscrape Navigator
v.whatever, and denies the user access to the content if there's a
negative response (and since in Off By One you can set the
User-Agent header for spoofing, you can almost invariably get past
that). Occasionally because someone is just so bloody cutting edge
that you can't even get to their home page unless you really do have
the Latest And Greatest. But for most of the Web, it works just
fine. It's, shall we say, Good To Have for a fast lookup even if
it's not running and you're bringing it up from scratch.

Really, give it a try. You can find places any specific browser
won't adequately render, even with a spoof, which is another reason
why it's a good idea to have more than just a single browser.

This page <http://www.offbyone.com/ob1_overview.htm> gives "Reasons
To Use The Off By One Browser", "Off By One Browser Features", and
"Off By One Browser Limitations" ("No JavaScript support. No
applet, plug-in or Flash support") none of which I ever much miss...
And, needless to say, on a browser which is for quick lookups, I'm
not going to be quick-surfing for Flash games.
[1] Except for the technology (!) site Slashdot.org, I guess.
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Never go there unless someone is recommending a particular item. I
stick with TechDirt, NewsLinx, and 1stHeadlines, though occasionally
I fall into the timesink of Daily Rotation...
 
and no one has worked on it for a while ("Last updated:
Tue May 13 04:54:05 PDT 2003")
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Off By One was last updated on December 9, 2002, so I'm not
sure why you're bringing this up.
I'll take Off By One, though, because many places I do want more
than just the text.
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My point was that if you're willing to accept garbled layouts and code
breakage, you might as well use a slightly more modern text browser.
Microsoft Bigod Explorer or Nutscrape Navigator
v.whatever,
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Using those names doesn't help any argument. Just sayin'.

Broken UserAgent-checking is the least of OBO's problems. I'd say that
the lack of a modern rendering engine with CSS support is a biggie.
 
Off By One is noticeably faster than Opera.
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As someone else has indicated this is because it doesn't handle later
versions of HTML and other Web technologies, that wouldn't be
surprising.
Check out Off By One <http://www.offbyone.com/> and I think you'll
find it delightful for quick, specialized usages.
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I probably won't bother since I don't have any such specialized
usages.

The main issue I have with Opera - and this is probably a Windows 98
problem on my machine - is that I can load it once after booting.
After that, if I exit it and try to reload it, it won't load. Or
rather I should say, it will load but not execute. Don't know why.
It's irrelevant, anyway, since I'm planning to ditch 98 on this
machine in favor of Windows 2000 and XP (and a couple more varieties
of Linux) and a full reinstall of 98 which should fix most of the crud
in my 98.
But Opera has a package of features which really clicks with me.
A few of them are geezer options, but, well...
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Same here.
 
Richard said:
Russ said:
[...]
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The main issue I have with Opera - and this is probably a Windows
98 problem on my machine - is that I can load it once after
booting. After that, if I exit it and try to reload it, it won't
load. Or rather I should say, it will load but not execute.
Don't know why.
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Now there's one I hadn't heard before, but there are so many
possible machine-specific Windows problems out there we could each
probably start a Ripley's Believe It Or Not.

I've got two machines here. Mine a MS Windows 98 (build 4.10.1998),
and my wife's a MS Win 98SE. They both run Opera just fine. Mine,
however, has a big problem with my favorite email client, which is
Poco. Often enough that I no longer use it, when replying to
something I occasionally get such a lag between typing and having
the letters appear that at this point (f'rinstance) I could sit back
and watch "I've got two machines here" just appearing on the
screen...

But when my wife needed to get away from MSIE and OE, or else change
her ISP login password to KickMeInfectMyMachine, I installed Opera
and Poco and she loves the both of them.
It's irrelevant, anyway, since I'm planning to ditch 98 on this
machine in favor of Windows 2000 and XP (and a couple more
varieties of Linux) and a full reinstall of 98 which should fix
most of the crud in my 98.
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Wow, all of them on one machine? Holy mackerel! But I think you're
right that the reinstall of Win98 will fix the various problems
which have crept in. Good luck with it.
Same here.
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I think the v7.5 'Preview' they're diddling with now is a dog with
fleas, so I'm settled in on release v7.23 for the moment. But it's
great, so I've no complaints.
 
On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 17:33:52 -0000, "Steven Burn"



Now that I do NOT believe. I have yet to find or hear about a browser
that renders as fast as Opera in most cases.
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Mozilla Firebird has a speed very close to Opera 723 from my experiances so
far. It does vary slightly from time to time with both positive and
negative drops. It is all how the browser is written. Opera 723 and
Mozilla Firebird 070 are written for speed and user choice. I say install
and use them both.
I just installed 7.23 a week or two ago, and it is noticeably faster
even than 7.11, and that was faster than IE, K-Meleon and Mozilla. I
doubt very much that Avant - which is based on the IE rendering engine
- can be faster.
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Let us not forget the many new security glitches each month. Use an IE
based browser and fear your net connection IMO for new virii and /or worms
shall arive frequently.
 
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I probably won't bother since I don't have any such specialized
usages.

The main issue I have with Opera - and this is probably a Windows 98
problem on my machine - is that I can load it once after booting.
After that, if I exit it and try to reload it, it won't load. Or
rather I should say, it will load but not execute. Don't know why.
It's irrelevant, anyway, since I'm planning to ditch 98 on this
machine in favor of Windows 2000 and XP (and a couple more varieties
of Linux) and a full reinstall of 98 which should fix most of the crud
in my 98.
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I did not have that problem when using Opera. Are you using Opera 5 dot 1
dot 2? I was using Win98SE with many updates.
Same here.
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It has an few certain traits which I will not give up and can not find
replacements for anywhere. Add in some features I think I know what you are
talking about makes it a permanent part of my installed net ware
collection.
 
Glev Zarriontal said:
Mozilla Firebird has a speed very close to Opera 723 from my
experiances so far. It does vary slightly from time to time with both
positive and negative drops. It is all how the browser is written.
Opera 723 and Mozilla Firebird 070 are written for speed and user
choice. I say install and use them both.
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Opera 7.23 seems OK. I don't feel like getting Mozilla Firebird 070, etc,
unless I hear that it'll make a significant improvment in my life.
 
Opera 7.23 seems OK. I don't feel like getting Mozilla Firebird 070, etc,
unless I hear that it'll make a significant improvment in my life.
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That is your choice. I am advocating everyone stay aware of the many
different browsers out there and not become dependant on IE just because it
is installed without your choice by default. Linux(*1) and Mac users
should not have this problem that Windows users do.

Of course, if the "browser" is built on top of IE as in a shell aka MyIE or
Avant or some others, IMO it is not a true browser. IE with or without a
command shell overlay is still IE. YMMV
 
Mozilla Firebird has a speed very close to Opera 723 from my experiances so
far. It does vary slightly from time to time with both positive and
negative drops. It is all how the browser is written. Opera 723 and
Mozilla Firebird 070 are written for speed and user choice. I say install
and use them both.
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I did try Firebird (now Firefox) recently on the Knoppix STD (Security
Tools Distro) and I was impressed with the speed. On the other hand,
it was running on FluxBox, not the main Linux desktops, which might
have had an effect. I would need to try Opera under the same
conditions to confirm whether there is a noticeable speed difference.

And of course I would need to doublecheck the feature list vrs Opera
(specifically the features I actually use).

I will keep an eye on FireFox.
 
The main issue I have with Opera - and this is probably a Windows 98
problem on my machine - is that I can load it once after booting.
After that, if I exit it and try to reload it, it won't load. Or
rather I should say, it will load but not execute.
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I use Opera adware version on win 98 (I love it) and sometimes after
visiting a pop-up window heavy site or some "active content" website,
when I shut down Opera it will not restart for me. I do not know
what's causing this. When I control-alt-delete it shows Opera as still
running. Apparenty at times it doesn't shut down properly and will not
work after that even though it's shown as running. So I just
contol.alt.delete and then shut it down and then it restarts just
fine. I have most of the active stuff pop-ups, etc. shut off in Opera
so maybe your particular settings are leading to more crashes then
mine. But I do sometimes have the same problem on win 98. It's fairly
rare for me and it hasn't been a big deal to just c.alt.del and shut
it down.
 
(e-mail address removed) (Marttila) scribbled out in a fit of sanity : == >>
I use Opera adware version on win 98 (I love it) and sometimes after
visiting a pop-up window heavy site or some "active content" website,
when I shut down Opera it will not restart for me. I do not know
what's causing this. When I control-alt-delete it shows Opera as still
running. Apparenty at times it doesn't shut down properly and will not
work after that even though it's shown as running. So I just
contol.alt.delete and then shut it down and then it restarts just
fine. I have most of the active stuff pop-ups, etc. shut off in Opera
so maybe your particular settings are leading to more crashes then
mine. But I do sometimes have the same problem on win 98. It's fairly
rare for me and it hasn't been a big deal to just c.alt.del and shut
it down.
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It seems to be an issue staying in the memory and it isnt being released.
Ive noticed it with every version ive used from 3.60 up and with win98
win2k and win2kserver as well.
 
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