[OT] Opera 7 Adware Version

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1. Does the adware version of Opera 7 give acceptable performance when used
on a dialup connection over a 56K modem? I'm assuming that ad retrieval
will use up some of the bandwidth.

2. Does the browser support something similar to security zones in Internet
Explorer?

TIA.
 
ncc said:
1. Does the adware version of Opera 7 give acceptable performance when used
on a dialup connection over a 56K modem? I'm assuming that ad retrieval
will use up some of the bandwidth.

2. Does the browser support something similar to security zones in Internet
Explorer?

TIA.
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Forget Opera..... go with Avant. It's much better.

www.avantbrowser.com

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Forget Opera..... go with Avant. It's much better.
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Avant IS Internet Explorer (and by the way, very inferior to its
cousin MyIE2), and this means that it is slow and full of security
holes. Opera is a browser on its own. The ad retrieving will not stole
nothing of your bandwith. It only gets them once at a period of time
(a week or so, I don't know), and the in the new 7.50 beta the ad is
reduced to a very small "toolbar", almost unpercetable.

I'm on 56k and using Opera since version 4 and I can say it is WAY
faster than any other browser in existence. With version 7 there are
only a few percentage of pages which don't display correctly in Opera,
so I'd recommend anyone to give Opera a look.

Also, the people developing it deserves some respect, as they were
the ones who popularized many things which are being adopted by IE
shells and various Mozilla appearances, such as integrated search
fields, mouse gestures, note keeper, etc.

This is a page which helps discovering many of Opera's hidden
treasures. It helps very much to the novice:

http://tntluoma.com/opera/lover/7/

I'm nothig such an anti-Microsoft fanatic Opera user. Just wanted to
point somethings I found to be undeniable in my computer user
experience.

Regards
 
Forget Opera..... go with Avant. It's much better.

www.avantbrowser.com
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umm.. "better" is SUCH a subjective term....Avant is still IE based, and
some would like to avoid ActiveX controls and all the other IE
'features'...

in answer....I use Opera 6 & 7, and they both work fine on 56K. (I
personally like the way Opera 6 works better...but...)....Opera is very
rich in features, and can do tricks that Avant can't, so if you think
you like Opera, don't fret about your 56K speed. (I actually upgraded to
non-ad version, but saw no speed or bandwidth difference after I did).
 
asasa said:
Avant IS Internet Explorer (and by the way, very inferior to its
cousin MyIE2), and this means that it is slow and full of security
holes. Opera is a browser on its own. The ad retrieving will not stole
nothing of your bandwith. It only gets them once at a period of time
(a week or so, I don't know), and the in the new 7.50 beta the ad is
reduced to a very small "toolbar", almost unpercetable.
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</snip>

First of all, MyIE2 is anything BUT superior to Avant. First of all, it's
slower, secondly, it doesn't support database driven site's very well (such
as my own site's), doesn't support FSO (File System Object) in website's.

As far as the ad's in Opera, thats one of the many things that put me off. I
don't care if they're tiny, or huge..... their ad's and they have no place
being there (especially as they are present on 99% of website's anyway)

I'm on 56k and using Opera since version 4 and I can say it is WAY
faster than any other browser in existence. With version 7 there are
only a few percentage of pages which don't display correctly in Opera,
so I'd recommend anyone to give Opera a look.
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</snip>

Opera has major issues with my own site's, and all they are is simple
ASP/VBScript/HTML/Javascript and Access DB's and it is definately not faster
than Avant!.

Also, the people developing it deserves some respect, as they were
the ones who popularized many things which are being adopted by IE
shells and various Mozilla appearances, such as integrated search
fields, mouse gestures, note keeper, etc.
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</snip>

They definately deserve respect. Mainly for setting the trend in ad-based
browsers!. :o\

This is a page which helps discovering many of Opera's hidden
treasures. It helps very much to the novice:

http://tntluoma.com/opera/lover/7/

I'm nothig such an anti-Microsoft fanatic Opera user. Just wanted to
point somethings I found to be undeniable in my computer user
experience.
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</snip>

Fairs fair. You have your opinion, just as I have mine, and I most certainly
respect that..... it's what keeps things interesting ;o)

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Bill Day said:
umm.. "better" is SUCH a subjective term....Avant is still IE based, and
some would like to avoid ActiveX controls and all the other IE
'features'...
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Avant has options for disabling ActiveX etc etc, as does IE itself.

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cHris said:
"Steven Burn"


That's only an IE add-on!

cHris
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I know...... but it's still better than Opera!

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1. Does the adware version of Opera 7 give acceptable performance when used
on a dialup connection over a 56K modem? I'm assuming that ad retrieval
will use up some of the bandwidth.

2. Does the browser support something similar to security zones in Internet
Explorer?

TIA.
Click to expand...
Whatever Steven Burn says, give Opera a try - it's worth it!
C.
 
1. Does the adware version of Opera 7 give acceptable performance when used
on a dialup connection over a 56K modem? I'm assuming that ad retrieval
will use up some of the bandwidth.

2. Does the browser support something similar to security zones in Internet
Explorer?

TIA.
Click to expand...
Opera does give acceptable perfomance on dial up however contaary to other posters here ive used the ad free version of opera and it it isnt as fast by a long way as myie2 is on my system (i cant speak for other users and thier systems though...you need to try on your system)As for active x i like certain site
s that use it and IE or any of its shell browsers allow you to allow /not allow or prompt when active x is used so personally i dont see a problem and have a choice if i want to use active x.If theres one thing that put me off opera its the fact that it doesnt use active x and doesnt even bother to tell you
taht a site that you may want to view uses it so you click and click away and nothing happens , and you dont know if its a broken link or whatever else.Its a shame opera doesnt use some sort of info pane that says the site uses activex but opera doesnt support it.At least youd know where you were that way.
me
 
1. Does the adware version of Opera 7 give acceptable performance when
used on a dialup connection over a 56K modem? I'm assuming that ad
retrieval will use up some of the bandwidth.
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I'll call your OT and add an OT to it.

Everyone will tell you to use a different browser, the one they use. Opera
is a little like the outside Democratic candidates. The worst thing about
the web is the non respect of standards. When you ask the question on web
developer's sites, they basically say "Opera? What's that?" they(re
kidding of course, but they don't worry about its quirks (all browsers
have quirks) when they design world class sites.

I hate MSIE but it is necessary to use certain important sites. My main
browser is Firebird, based on the Gecko engine that web designers *do*
design for. They worry most about MSIE since it has at least 80% market
share.

Opera has some nice features but it's still the Ralph Nader of browsers,
fragmenting the MSIE/Gekko vote. This is a *freeware* newsgroup; Firebird
is and always has been free and I'm pretty sure it always will be. Select
the extensions you like (there are dozens) or use it lean and mean with
none.

cheers
 
ncc said:
1. Does the adware version of Opera 7 give acceptable performance when
used on a dialup connection over a 56K modem? I'm assuming that ad
retrieval will use up some of the bandwidth.

2. Does the browser support something similar to security zones in
Internet Explorer?

TIA.
Click to expand...

Yes, it performs better than "acceptable" and is in fact the fastest
browser for rendering pages than any other browser I've used and I've
used most all of them.(all well known ones anyway)

I'm not familiar with IE's security zones other than cursory. Opera is
every bit as secure as IE. I've used the last several ver. of Opera and
am now using 7. There is no difference between the ad ver. or paid ver.
with regard to performance, dun or broadband. :)
 
When I've used Opera (which I loved btw), it did use more resources,
according to RAMPage which I was using to monitor and free up memory. It
also seemed slower and some pages didn't like it.

I still try it occasionally...as a matter of fact, since I just made the
move to high speed access...I'll probably download it tonight!
 
services@it- said:
</snip>

First of all, MyIE2 is anything BUT superior to Avant. First of all, it's
slower, secondly, it doesn't support database driven site's very well (such
as my own site's), doesn't support FSO (File System Object) in website's.

As far as the ad's in Opera, thats one of the many things that put me off. I
don't care if they're tiny, or huge..... their ad's and they have no place
being there (especially as they are present on 99% of website's anyway)
Click to expand...

So you're one of those people who is used to getting everything for
free? Opera's ads or non-intrusive, small and take up little bandwidth.
If you want to get rid of the ads, just pay Opera... What's wrong with
that?

Anyway you're missing the essence: Opera is a very decent browser. If
you get over the ad thing, maybe you just have to try it sometime.
You'll find it has a lot moreto offer than buggy ol' IE.

And for your information: MYIE2 and Avantbrowser use the same buggy IE
engine. Why would the rendering results be any different?
</snip>

Opera has major issues with my own site's, and all they are is simple
ASP/VBScript/HTML/Javascript and Access DB's and it is definately not faster
than Avant!.
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If that's the case then you must be doing something wrong. IE is
notorious for not following web standards. If your site only works in
IE, you are shutting out visitors. At least check if your site also
works in Mozilla or Opera, which *do* follow web standards.
</snip>

They definately deserve respect. Mainly for setting the trend in ad-based
browsers!. :o\
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Again they just want to make money *and* you're missing the essence.

I suggest you try the link asasa gave you.

Greets!
 
Opera has major issues with my own site's, and all they are is simple
ASP/VBScript/HTML/Javascript and Access DB's and it is definately not faster
than Avant!.
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Opera doesn't support VBScript. Also, your "JavaScript" may be, at
least partly, MS's proprietary JScript rather than standard-compliant,
cross-browser ECMAScript supported by Opera.

Why doesn't Opera support VBScript (and Active X)? For information,
see


http://www.opera.com/support/search/supsearch.dml?index=415&session=f2cdf107acbbf1037f596161a79f627d
 
Quin Selman said:
Why doesn't Opera support VBScript (and Active X)? For information,
see
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http://www.opera.com/support/search/supsearch.dml?index=415&session=f2cdf107acbbf1037f596161a79f627d
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So that's why I couldn't see anything on his site.
I use Opera and always have active-X, vbscript, etc turned off.

My rule is that I can leave javascript turned on if I have active-x,
vbscript and other things turned off, because the stuff that do bad things
are active-x and vbscript things that often are started by javascript.

We need javascript to be turned on for many websites, and we can afford
that if the other stuff which can be started by javascript are turned off.

Opera also gives good possibilities to limit what javascripts can do,
besides starting such dangerous stuff.

I can use 99% of all websites with my settings, and I don't want to see the
1% I miss this way.

I use Opera7.23 and 7.5, Firebird 0.7, and sometimes IE6 and then with
heavy filtering through Proxomitron.
 
On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 17:33:52 -0000, "Steven Burn"

it is definately not faster than Avant!.
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Now that I do NOT believe. I have yet to find or hear about a browser
that renders as fast as Opera in most cases.

I just installed 7.23 a week or two ago, and it is noticeably faster
even than 7.11, and that was faster than IE, K-Meleon and Mozilla. I
doubt very much that Avant - which is based on the IE rendering engine
- can be faster.
 
Richard Steven Hack said:
On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 17:33:52 -0000, "Steven Burn"



Now that I do NOT believe. I have yet to find or hear about a browser
that renders as fast as Opera in most cases.

I just installed 7.23 a week or two ago, and it is noticeably faster
even than 7.11, and that was faster than IE, K-Meleon and Mozilla. I
doubt very much that Avant - which is based on the IE rendering engine
- can be faster.
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</snip>

It was never faster when I tried it..........

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www.it-mate.co.uk

Keeping it FREE!

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