OT: In 15 years, hard drives will seem as quaint as reel-to-reel tape recorders

[Tommy Grand]

I have a reel-to-reel recorder.

I have a Nagra recorder, which I mainly use for taping my classical
guitar performances. You can really achieve wonderful effects with
this machine, including some tricks you may not have though possible
prior to the era of Pro Tools and pitch correction. If you want
details just ask.

TG

 

[Folkert Rienstra]

Wota wimp, those came later,

Yah, made life a lot easier when that bloody long bootstrap in memory for
magtape, floppy or MegaFile was overwritten once again after a system crash.

some of us

So Rodli, how many of you are in there.

memorised the boot loader

For the teletype reader/punch, no doubt.

and toggled it in thru the front panel switches.

Uhuh. And how did the rest of you do it then. Mind control?

And those diode boards aint magnetics anyway.

Nope, they aren't. You a rocket scientist or sumfin?
The similarity is in the handywork that's involved in programming them.

 

[Roy L. Fuchs]

Fools have been claiming that for decades now.
Hasnt happened and it wont this time either.

You're an idiot. They ARE making it. The thing is that the arrays
are so small they won't be used in the way Tommy states for a LONG
time.

More likely, an optical cube that holds a few TeraBytes will replace
the hard drive for more permanent writes and files.

They read entire multi-megabit pages in a single pass so they will
actually be faster than hard drives as well. Hard drives will still
have their place though, and little laptop drive external models will
be out soon with the perpendicular write methodology hitting the
factories now.

I have already made an audio/video real time DVR that a deck hand
wears on his belt, and he records all deck hand traffic on the deck of
a carrier. The wireless mikes, and lapel cameras are ours as well.

 

[Roy L. Fuchs]

When I read the article I couldn't help thinking about core stores.

Am I showing my age?

Ny old boss used to work with core memory cell arrays.

Cool stuff.

 

[Roy L. Fuchs]

Microcode, actually, it doesnt have an OS.

It doesn't have a Disk Operating System, but even hard coded
firmware can be considered an "OS". Particularly if it is the core of
what makes the product or device function.

 

[Rod Speed]

It doesn't have a Disk Operating System, but even
hard coded firmware can be considered an "OS".

Nope, just like calculators with firmware in rom dont have an OS either.

Particularly if it is the core of what makes the product or device function.

Separate matter entirely to what an OS is.

 

[Rod Speed]

You're an idiot.

We'll see...

They ARE making it.

They made the previous magnetic memory systems too.

Separate matter entirey to WHETHER ALL OPERATING
SYSTEMS WILL EVER BE STORED IN ANY OF THEM tho.

Its MUCH more likely that non magnetic flashram will be used if
we do actually see much storage of OSs in other than hard drives.

The thing is that the arrays are so small they won't
be used in the way Tommy states for a LONG time.

What I said in different words.

More likely, an optical cube that holds a few TeraBytes will
replace the hard drive for more permanent writes and files.

I doubt that will happen either. The short story is that hard
drives are plenty permanent enough and the vastly better
$/GB makes real redundancy very economically viable.

Even just for backup, hard drives leave optical systems for dead
and that isnt likely to change any time soon for various reasons.

They read entire multi-megabit pages in a single pass
so they will actually be faster than hard drives as well.

The same mindless claim has been been made for decades now too.

Hard drives will still have their place though, and little laptop
drive external models will be out soon with the perpendicular
write methodology hitting the factories now.

And with more and more burning up hard drive space like
there is no tomorrow with their PVRs etc, I cant see anything
replacing hard drives any time soon for many applications.

Sure, flashroms have mostly taken over with digital still cameras,
but they havent with video cameras and arent likely to either.

You also see the better ipods etc still using hard drives even now.

I have already made an audio/video real time DVR that a deck hand
wears on his belt, and he records all deck hand traffic on the deck of
a carrier. The wireless mikes, and lapel cameras are ours as well.

And there is plenty of that stuff commercially buyable
too most obviously with ipods and video cameras.

 

[Alexander Grigoriev]

Snake oil, helps to milk venture capitalists.

 

[Alexander Grigoriev]

You're an idiot. They ARE making it. The thing is that the arrays
are so small they won't be used in the way Tommy states for a LONG
time.

They SAY they are making it. Now, who wants a 4Mbit chip if a NAND flash
holds a thousand as much per die?

 

[Al]

Oh bullshit. Plenty of stuff written on paper etc has lasted a hell of a lot
longer
than magnetic tapes ever will. In spades with being able to read it for
centurys.

As alwalys, you hafta know the language. Even though I may have an
illuminated manuscript written by a monk in the 12th century, I still
can't read it!

And all I care about storage is for my lifetime so magnetic tape does it
for me.

Al

 

[Rod Speed]

As alwalys, you hafta know the language.

Someone always does. Even over millennia.

Even though I may have an illuminated manuscript written
by a monk in the 12th century, I still can't read it!

Someone can tho.

And all I care about storage is for my lifetime
so magnetic tape does it for me.

You have always been, and always will be, completely and
utterly irrelevant. What might or might not do it for you in spades.

And you might well have a problem when what you use to read
the tapes is no longer available for what you use computer wise
at a reasonable price. Priced 7 track PC cards lately ?

 

[ehsjr]

Someone always does. Even over millennia.

Not true. For example, until the Rosetta stone was
discovered (1799) and later deciphered (1822, Champollion)
ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics were not understandable, nor
was Demotic Egyptian. As I understand it, there is still
debate over the translations from hieroglyphs to current
language. Heck, there are even different meanings to
the same words in current language spoken in two different
countries.

Ed

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

Not true. For example, until the Rosetta stone was discovered (1799) and later
deciphered (1822, Champollion) ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics were not understandable,
nor was Demotic Egyptian.

They are now tho.

As I understand it, there is still debate over the translations from hieroglyphs to
current language.

Sure, but the bulk of the translation isnt in dispute.

Heck, there are even different meanings to the same words in current language spoken in
two different countries.

And there are different meanings for some words even in the same country.

We have funky things called dictionarys that list those meanings.

 

[Paul Hovnanian P.E.]

Of course they'll be as quaint as reel-to-reel tape recorders. Nothing
can beat that 8-track technology.

;-)

 

[Roy L. Fuchs]

Nope, just like calculators with firmware in rom dont have an OS either.

If the "firmware" is what makes it function as a calculator, it can
be defined as and declared as being an OS.

 

[Roy L. Fuchs]

Separate matter entirely to what an OS is.

Not at all. Perhaps you should re-read the definition.

 

[Roy L. Fuchs]

I doubt that will happen either. The short story is that hard
drives are plenty permanent enough and the vastly better
$/GB makes real redundancy very economically viable.

Even just for backup, hard drives leave optical systems for dead
and that isnt likely to change any time soon for various reasons.


The same mindless claim has been been made for decades now too.

Your shit for brains skull obviously doesn't know a goddamned thing
about optical cube storage.

Hell, these guys even stored data on a roll of shipping tape and
scanned it.

You need to do some catching up, Chuck.

 

[Roy L. Fuchs]

Snake oil, helps to milk venture capitalists.

Top posting retards get ignored in Usenet.

 

[Roy L. Fuchs]

They SAY they are making it. Now, who wants a 4Mbit chip if a NAND flash
holds a thousand as much per die?

NAND flash is SLOW read, and SLOW write.

Got clue?

 

[Roy L. Fuchs]

Not true. For example, until the Rosetta stone was
discovered (1799) and later deciphered (1822, Champollion)
ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics were not understandable, nor
was Demotic Egyptian. As I understand it, there is still
debate over the translations from hieroglyphs to current
language. Heck, there are even different meanings to
the same words in current language spoken in two different
countries.

Ed

Good call. Learn to trim.