OS Debate: Vista vs XP

[Jeffrey S. Sparks]

Everybody keeps talking about DRM issues but NO ONE has actually given a
real life example of a real problem.

Jeff

 

[Steve K.]

Everybody keeps talking about DRM issues but NO ONE has actually
given a real life example of a real problem.

Jeff

Og yes they have. Plenty time in these and other forums there have been
examples. Download purchased music, you ususally end up with something
you can't backup (license), encoded with a lossy codec. Many more
examples relating to this.

Then thers HD DVD and Bluray... first, you must have a HDCP compatible
video card, monitor, and player software. Second, if the player's or HD
optical drive's credentials have bene revoked for whatever reason,
you'll need to get a new one to play new releases thereafter.

If your video card or monitor doesn't support HLCP (HD Content
Protection) it either wont play at all or you'll get severly degraded
play back quality.

Granted it's a matter time before the copy protection gets cracked (as
it partially already has been.. "HDDVDBackup") and we'll be able ot use
HD media as *WE* (the consumer) feels fit, NOT what *THEY* (MPAA, RIAA,
Sony, etc) feels is right.

(MPAA/RIAA/etc + MS)(DRM) = Fair-Use down the toilet...

 

[Jeffrey S. Sparks]

Og yes they have. Plenty time in these and other forums there have been
examples. Download purchased music, you ususally end up with something you
can't backup (license), encoded with a lossy codec. Many more examples
relating to this.

The types of downloads and things your talking about here were going on
before Vista. Those have nothing to do with Vista.

Then thers HD DVD and Bluray... first, you must have a HDCP compatible
video card, monitor, and player software. Second, if the player's or HD
optical drive's credentials have bene revoked for whatever reason, you'll
need to get a new one to play new releases thereafter.

1. Video Cards - I remember when DVD first came out. You used to have to
get a special DVD decoder card until they created Video cards with DVD
decoders builtin.

2. Monitors - If you want to watch a HD movie in High Definition you are
going to want an HD monitor. What would be the point other wise? Should I
expect to see a much better picture if I bought a brand new blu-ray player
and movies but continued to use my same old 10 year old projection screen
TV?

3. Optical Drive's Credentials - I have never heard of this happening to
ANYONE. So i can't comment on this.

Again none of this has anything to do with Vista.

Granted it's a matter time before the copy protection gets cracked (as it
partially already has been.. "HDDVDBackup") and we'll be able ot use HD
media as *WE* (the consumer) feels fit, NOT what *THEY* (MPAA, RIAA, Sony,
etc) feels is right.

(MPAA/RIAA/etc + MS)(DRM) = Fair-Use down the toilet...

The DRM that is built into Vista isn't even in use yet. (and may never be,
who knows...) I don't doubt they will find a way to crack the encryption,
etc... Then they will probably come out with a new way to cut down on
piracy. This is a never ending loop.

Jeff

 

[Steve K.]

The types of downloads and things your talking about here were going
on before Vista. Those have nothing to do with Vista.

Oh yes they do. Vista most certainally taks Content Protection to the
next level, and stomps on Fair-Use even more.

1. Video Cards - I remember when DVD first came out. You used to
have to get a special DVD decoder card until they created Video cards
with DVD decoders builtin.

That is not the same as HLCP.

2. Monitors - If you want to watch a HD movie in High Definition you
are going to want an HD monitor. What would be the point other wise?
Should I expect to see a much better picture if I bought a brand new
blu-ray player and movies but continued to use my same old 10 year
old projection screen TV?

The point that you COMPLETELY missed was many people bought HD monitors
and TVs *BEFORE* HDCP came about so if you did you can't watch HD
DVD/Bluray on them (not via DVI anyways.)

3. Optical Drive's Credentials - I have never heard of this happening
to ANYONE. So i can't comment on this.

May not of happened yet, but the media folks behind it all have made it
quite clear with this system they very well CAN revoke a players or
drive's key, making it unable to play any titles that come out
thereafter.

With this sort of system I cannot blame anyone for using bittorrent, as
this is the sort of thing that's fualing it more than ever.

Again none of this has anything to do with Vista.

Oh yes it does. The whole Content Protection / DRM issue is a central
part of Vista. In Vista things are locked down much MUCH more.

The DRM that is built into Vista isn't even in use yet.

Keep believing that.

I don't doubt they will find a way to crack
the encryption, etc... Then they will probably come out with a new
way to cut down on piracy. This is a never ending loop.

A loop based on attacking a symtom rather then the cause.

Please get a clue.

 

[Alan]

Thank you, Tom. I guess you could tell from my question I'm using XP Home.
:>

Alan

 

[Jeffrey S. Sparks]

Oh yes they do. Vista most certainally taks Content Protection to the next
level, and stomps on Fair-Use even more.

Give me an example. The one I can think of off the top of my head is
Itunes from apple. However, their copy protection technology had nothing to
do with the OS. It was built into the itunes/ipod software.

That is not the same as HLCP.


The point that you COMPLETELY missed was many people bought HD monitors
and TVs *BEFORE* HDCP came about so if you did you can't watch HD
DVD/Bluray on them (not via DVI anyways.)

Ok, I see what your saying now. I will agree it was "kinda" stupid to put
the DRM (hdcp) into vista since it probably won't ever be used in this
version of windows. They are saying they are NOT (and i mean the movie
makers) going to be making any of these types of movies until 2012. By then
we will have gone thru 2 more versions of windows and who knows what kind of
DRM type crap will be in it.

The main question is who to bitch to about this. Microsoft does NOT make
movies. They did NOT create this standard. If the MPIAA and all of the
movie studios get their way and require all TV's and HD-DVD
players/recorders to have this technology in it and actually start producing
movies with HDCP then won't people be pissed off if Microsoft did NOT have
it in windows so they can view it on their computers? Microsoft had to
license the technology (HD and Blu-ray) from their respective makers. They
are the ones that required Microsoft to put this crap into vista. Microsoft
could have said no and then Sony (who created Blu-ray for example) could
have said no to the license then you would not be able to view blu-ray
(future ones with this protection built in anyways) disks.

May not of happened yet, but the media folks behind it all have made it
quite clear with this system they very well CAN revoke a players or
drive's key, making it unable to play any titles that come out thereafter.

I want to see where you read where they can make a player stop working
permanently. They do that and they will have class action lawsuits up the
yin yang.

A loop based on attacking a symtom rather then the cause.

Ok... I always thought they were trying to crack down on pirating? Do you
have a better idea?

Please get a clue.

I'm not the one that created all this DRM crap I was just trying to help
explain some of it. I was trying to be nice, if you can't be then don't
respond...

Jeff