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BillW50 said:
Well, you're wrong. Ubuntu Live CD doesn't install anything on the hard
drive by default, it loads entirely into memory.
Well, you're wrong. Ubuntu Live CD doesn't install anything on the hard
drive by default, it loads entirely into memory.
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BillW50
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better believe.
Yeah I know you think that. And yes, Ubuntu Live isn't really installing
anything per se, but borrows the Windows swapfile for its own use. And
apparently this practice hasn't been beta tested enough. As under some
conditions can render Windows unbootable. And I don't think Ubuntu
should be touching any Windows partition on its own anyway. If it asks
first that would be ok with me, but behind your back isn't okay.
rbetter believe.
Yeah I know you think that. And yes, Ubuntu Live isn't really installing
anything per se, but borrows the Windows swapfile for its own use. And
apparently this practice hasn't been beta tested enough. As under some
conditions can render Windows unbootable. And I don't think Ubuntu
should be touching any Windows partition on its own anyway. If it asks
first that would be ok with me, but behind your back isn't okay.
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Nil
Citation, please.
I don't think you'll find a credible one.
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BillW50 said:
Please show us any credible evidence that any Linux Live CD (not a Linux
hard drive installation) uses the Windows swap file on the hard drive.
The swap file is OS-dependent in the first place, and the Live CDs don't
use the hard drive for anything by default.
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BillW50
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Yes you are right. You probably won't find any citation (except from
archives by me). But if you compile Linux, you should find it. Or do
what I did, turn off the swapfile for XP and run Ubuntu Live and having
US Robotics iband installed on the drive. Then after you run Ubuntu Live
(and actually doing nothing and shutting down Ubuntu) and boot XP, XP
will hang just before the Taskbar should show and will display a window
saying Windows Installer (and nothing else) and just sit there doing
nothing forever. I seem to recall CTRL-ALT-DEL still worked, but useless
to get Windows functioning once again. I do seem to recall a quick fix,
you could rename iband.dll to something else and XP would then boot
normally. But that doesn't matter when only running Ubuntu Live screwed
it up in the first place.
Yes you are right. You probably won't find any citation (except from
archives by me). But if you compile Linux, you should find it. Or do
what I did, turn off the swapfile for XP and run Ubuntu Live and having
US Robotics iband installed on the drive. Then after you run Ubuntu Live
(and actually doing nothing and shutting down Ubuntu) and boot XP, XP
will hang just before the Taskbar should show and will display a window
saying Windows Installer (and nothing else) and just sit there doing
nothing forever. I seem to recall CTRL-ALT-DEL still worked, but useless
to get Windows functioning once again. I do seem to recall a quick fix,
you could rename iband.dll to something else and XP would then boot
normally. But that doesn't matter when only running Ubuntu Live screwed
it up in the first place.
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BillW50
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Yeah I know ignorant people won't believe it no matter what anybody
says. So what is the point? But intelligent people know this to be true.
And one of them found here is Paul. And as far as I know, Paul doesn't
see you as a troll that you are. So just ask him about it. But you
probably won't believe Paul either, so what's the point?
Yeah I know ignorant people won't believe it no matter what anybody
says. So what is the point? But intelligent people know this to be true.
And one of them found here is Paul. And as far as I know, Paul doesn't
see you as a troll that you are. So just ask him about it. But you
probably won't believe Paul either, so what's the point?
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glee
BillW50 said:
So, you don't have any evidence to support the claim, then.
There you go again with your attitude, calling names when you can't back
up a statement. All that proves is your own ignorance.
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BillW50
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Nope, far from it ignorant one. Even Paul knows better. But keep your
head in the sand, who the hell cares what you do?
Nope, far from it ignorant one. Even Paul knows better. But keep your
head in the sand, who the hell cares what you do?
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Robert Macy
No, built-in CD Drive
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Robert Macy
Yes, use 3 1/2 drive A: and a Win98 boot disk, then try all kinds of
things using thekeyboard, appears to be ok.
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BillW50 said:
If you're so effing smart, why can't you give even one citation to back
up your claim? Instead you put it off onto someone who isn't even
involved in the thread and has not made your claim. You made a claim
with nothing to support it (again) and when you are asked to show the
proof of your claim, you start name calling (again), and have nothing to
offer. Pathetic.
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Nil
So, you're the only one in the world reporting this. OK, I suspected as
much. That's usually the case with you.
So, you're saying you compiled your own live Linux boot disk, and it
changed the contents of your hard disk? If so (and I don't believe that
you did) then you obviously chose incorrect options. Otherwise, it's
irrelevant and intellectually dishonest for you to even mention it.
We're talking about Linux Live disks that you download. Nobody has an
issue with it but you. Why is that?
What does US Robotics iband have to do with it? I see no reports of it
interacting with Linux, and since a Linux Live bootup doesn't alter the
hard disk, and you're the only one in the world who has reported such
an issue, I'd say it's some peculiarity or problem with your setup. Or,
more likely, you used the power of the Linux live system to screw up
your hard disk. With great power comes great responsibility. You have
to assume that responsibility, rather than blame everybody else, as is
your usual m.o.
I've used live Linux boot disks many times for many years. I've never
had any such problems with any of them. The worst thing I've had happen
with them is that some don't work because they don't detect my hardware
properly.
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BillW50
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Robert Macy typed:
Oh that could be a huge problem. Did the machine originally have a built
in optical drive? As I was working on a client's Alienware M9700 machine
and it had the restore discs and the internal optical drive was bad. I
was going to replace the drive, but I wanted to install Windows first to
see what else was needed. So I hooked up an external USB drive and tried
to install. And I ran into much of the same problems that you did.
The retail versions of XP require SP2 or SP3 to install from USB.
Earlier builds will not install. Although sadly, not all OEM versions
will work correctly from USB, even if SP2 at least. I had to replace the
internal DVD drive before I could get it to install. And it was XP SP2.
And your problem sounds very much like what I had ran across.
Robert Macy typed:
Oh that could be a huge problem. Did the machine originally have a built
in optical drive? As I was working on a client's Alienware M9700 machine
and it had the restore discs and the internal optical drive was bad. I
was going to replace the drive, but I wanted to install Windows first to
see what else was needed. So I hooked up an external USB drive and tried
to install. And I ran into much of the same problems that you did.
The retail versions of XP require SP2 or SP3 to install from USB.
Earlier builds will not install. Although sadly, not all OEM versions
will work correctly from USB, even if SP2 at least. I had to replace the
internal DVD drive before I could get it to install. And it was XP SP2.
And your problem sounds very much like what I had ran across.
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glee
BillW50 said:
Put your reading glasses on! Robert said "No <COMMA> built-in CD
Drive", meaning No he isn't using a USB optical, he's using an internal
optical.
You are apparently reading it "No built-in CD Drive". Punctuation is
there for a reason. Eats shoots and leaves... Eats, shoots, and
leaves..
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BillW50
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Yeah well I also found a stability problem with OS/2 v3 and nobody
believed me for two years straight either. Then out of the blue, IBM
found it. And it affected all OS/2 systems just like I said it did. Go
figure.
No, I am saying when you compile Linux, it asks you how much memory it
is limited to and if it is okay to use the Windows swapfile and stuff.
Because I find problems that others won't find for years later and I
have proved it over and over again.
No you don't get it. I have proved that Ubuntu does in fact touch your
Windows drive. As I have eliminated all other possible causes.
Yeah I heard that many times. If they don't see it then everybody else
is just nuts. Yes I get it.
Yeah well I also found a stability problem with OS/2 v3 and nobody
believed me for two years straight either. Then out of the blue, IBM
found it. And it affected all OS/2 systems just like I said it did. Go
figure.
No, I am saying when you compile Linux, it asks you how much memory it
is limited to and if it is okay to use the Windows swapfile and stuff.
Because I find problems that others won't find for years later and I
have proved it over and over again.
No you don't get it. I have proved that Ubuntu does in fact touch your
Windows drive. As I have eliminated all other possible causes.
Yeah I heard that many times. If they don't see it then everybody else
is just nuts. Yes I get it.
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Paul
Nil said:
He might be referring to "Wubi", but I can't be sure.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wubi_(Ubuntu_installer)
Most distros I've used, they support various flavors of "install".
Only Gentoo makes usage of actual "compile" as a method of preparing
a copy. And in Gentoo, that process is actually bootstrapped, so
you're not really starting from scratch. There is a small "chroot"
environment, and things are built from there, until the system
is ready to reboot and run native.
Wubi is an installer, and more apt to be copying things from one
place to another.
I've never used Wubi. I've installed Linux to its own partition,
and that doesn't use Wubi. That uses the regular installer, and
Windows would not be running at that time. Or, you can run Linux
from the CD as a LiveCD. A LiveCD doesn't need to install anything,
and distros like Knoppix, don't actually even encourage installation.
Wubi is some kind of in-between option, which is probably why I was never
interested in it.
LiveCDs also support their own flavor of data partition. This
is called a "presistent store". The advantage of that option,
is GRUB is not installed, and no changes are made to any boot.ini.
You boot the read-only portion of the OS from CD or USB key, and
any changes made (like storing a text file in your home directory),
go into the data partition or persistent store. My 1GB USB key
is set up that way, and has a 200MB area on the key for storing
changed files. Which is way too small for the job. Just one
run of Synaptic Package Manager and updating the database for
it, fills the store up.
Paul
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BillW50
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Yes I know ignorant people like yourself won't believe. But I know how
it really happens and are more than willing to show anybody who wants to
learn the same thing. But it is common for ignorant people like yourself
to act this way.
"Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance." ~
Albert Einstein
Yes I know ignorant people like yourself won't believe. But I know how
it really happens and are more than willing to show anybody who wants to
learn the same thing. But it is common for ignorant people like yourself
to act this way.
"Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance." ~
Albert Einstein
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BillW50
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Yeap.
Yeap.
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Nil
If he is, he's talking about something completely different than
everybody else is, even though the subject has been clarified several
times. We've very specific about it being a "Live Linux" bootup disk,
not an install-to-hard-disk situation.
I've got on computer running one of those Wubi installations, and
Unbuntu is presented as a choice by Windows boot manager. This is my
Linux play toy, not something I used day-to-day.
Yes. That's what I've been trying to get across.
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Nil
Yeah, yeah, we know, you're an all-seeing God among we mere mortals. So
you keep telling us.
So freakin' what? That has absolutely nothing at all to do with the
subject. Why would you bring up such irrelevant drivel?
You have proved no such thing, except that you broke your computer, and
you're trying to blame someone else, even though you have no evidence.
Again.