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[james]

that VB.Net was no longer a "RAD" and wouldn't be any benefit to "Task Oriented" developers. In a sense, he was correct in
saying that (when comparing to version 2003). There was no way to make a quick database aware application in the same time
frame that it would take in VB6. I agree with his statements regarding that. Now, keep in mind, I have only seen it for 2 days
now, and not in very heavy use, but Beta 2 of Visual Studio 2005 looks like it fixes a lot of that. Like I said, I haven't had
time to sit down and mess with it a lot yet, but from what I have seen, it's greatly improved in that area. The grid view so
far is excellent, and the ability to just drag and drop your data fields onto a form just made my day. To some people, that
may seem petty. But our one application has literally hundreds of fields in the database that is user updateable. Placing a
form object and then setting all the properties with through code or through the properties windows was a major time waster.
Especially when the product we used previously for this app was one where everything was drag and drop. I will try to get some
more time in this weekend, but we already have decided to convert our app that was in 2003 over to it immediately. (It won't
be officially released for a at least 6 - 12 months anyway, so we can afford to start with it and just finish up with the
release of studio 2005)

Aaron

Aaron, exactly! 2005 Beta 1 of VB was so easy to setup a database. (I'm waiting on Beta2 to arrive)
As for Database creation, 2005, should be as easy to setup as VB6 is. The database wizards in 2005
are much improved over 2003. I am looking forward to the release. And hopefully, there will be a version that I can afford.
( cannot afford the Team Developer stuff, and frankly don't need it)
james

 

[Jim Hubbard]

I'd also like to ad that one of the arguments that Mr.
Hubbard had was


Aaron, exactly! 2005 Beta 1 of VB was so easy to setup a database. (I'm
waiting on Beta2 to arrive)
As for Database creation, 2005, should be as easy to setup as VB6 is. The
database wizards in 2005
are much improved over 2003. I am looking forward to the release. And
hopefully, there will be a version that I can afford. ( cannot afford the
Team Developer stuff, and frankly don't need it)
james

I agree.....VB.Net 2005 is a great improvement over 2003 in the RAD
experience. I hope the final release can live up to the VB6 RAD development
in speed and ease-of-use.

It's no shame to screw something up. Everyone does.....though not as much
as I do. (It's how we learn.) And, although I regret the 2 years that we
have been without the RAD environment of classic VB, I am certainly glad
that Microsoft has seen this error and is working hard to correct it in
VB.Net 2005.

I can't wait to see the finished product.

In fact, the only 2 beefs I have with VB.Net is the not being able to work
on VB6 code as unmanaged code (like they did with C++) and the poor support
for upgrading our VB6 projects to VB.Net. Microsoft got us used to
click-and-upgrade with the previous versions, so there was no reason (and
still isn't in my mind) that we should not have it with VB.Net. (I have
another beef that covers the whole framework, but it would be off-topic
here.)

All in all, VB.Net is an improvement in supporting web apps and XML-driven
data. And, although there are things in VB.Net that need fixing, the breach
of trust that Microsoft has put it's classic Visual Basic followers through
is, by far, the thing that needs fixing most.

Jim Hubbard

 

[james]

I agree.....VB.Net 2005 is a great improvement over 2003 in the RAD experience. I hope the final release can live up to the
VB6 RAD development in speed and ease-of-use.

It's no shame to screw something up. Everyone does.....though not as much as I do. (It's how we learn.) And, although I
regret the 2 years that we have been without the RAD environment of classic VB, I am certainly glad that Microsoft has seen
this error and is working hard to correct it in VB.Net 2005.

I can't wait to see the finished product.

In fact, the only 2 beefs I have with VB.Net is the not being able to work on VB6 code as unmanaged code (like they did with
C++) and the poor support for upgrading our VB6 projects to VB.Net. Microsoft got us used to click-and-upgrade with the
previous versions, so there was no reason (and still isn't in my mind) that we should not have it with VB.Net. (I have
another beef that covers the whole framework, but it would be off-topic here.)

All in all, VB.Net is an improvement in supporting web apps and XML-driven data. And, although there are things in VB.Net
that need fixing, the breach of trust that Microsoft has put it's classic Visual Basic followers through is, by far, the thing
that needs fixing most.

Jim Hubbard

Just the guy I wanted to talk to!
Since you probably received the same email that I did from Real Software regarding the" contest" to see who could get the most
downloads of Real Basic 5.5 Standard, and since the "contest" (and the Free copy & license) promotion ended LAST FRIDAY, April
15th. Have you heard ANYTHING from RS , about
who the TOP 100 people were? I emailed Geoff about it Monday and also posted on the RB newsgroup on Usenet, and have not heard
a single word. No responses to my email or my post. I'm begining to think the whole thing was a joke. They have not even
bothered to post anything about it on their website.
If this is any indication of how they conduct themselves, then maybe, it is better I forget about RB.
Anyhow, just wondering (since you are a Beta tester for them too) if you had heard anything from them about the "contest".
james

(I should have had at least 3 downloads to my credit!! )

 

[Jonathan Johnson]

Just the guy I wanted to talk to!
Since you probably received the same email that I did from Real

Software regarding the" contest" to see who could get the most

downloads of Real Basic 5.5 Standard, and since the "contest" (and

the Free copy & license) promotion ended LAST FRIDAY, April

15th. Have you heard ANYTHING from RS , about
who the TOP 100 people were?

I'm not in any position to say when the results will be posted, but I
can tell you that we haven't forgotten about it.

-Jon

 

[Jim Hubbard]

Software regarding the" contest" to see who could get the most
the Free copy & license) promotion ended LAST FRIDAY, April

I'm not in any position to say when the results will be posted, but I
can tell you that we haven't forgotten about it.

-Jon

It'd be cool to let us all know how many people in total have taken
advantage of the offer too.

Any firm date on REALbasic 2005 yet?

Jim Hubbard

 

[james]

Software regarding the" contest" to see who could get the most
the Free copy & license) promotion ended LAST FRIDAY, April

I'm not in any position to say when the results will be posted, but I
can tell you that we haven't forgotten about it.

-Jon

Thanks for the information Jonathan. I was begining to wonder if I had asked the wrong question.
james

 

[Jonathan Johnson]

It'd be cool to let us all know how many people in total have taken
advantage of the offer too.

I'm pretty sure that this will be included, but I'll remind our PR
person.

Any firm date on REALbasic 2005 yet?

I've been so busy working on RB 2005 that I don't even know! ;-) Your
best bet to get a better response is to talk to Geoff.

-Jon