OEM vs. Retail hard drive

[mm]

Yes, but you need to slipstream SP3 onto a new Win XP CD.

Thanks. I tried various ways, several times each, of slipstreaming a
couple years ago, and it always ended in failure at one of the last
steps before making the CD, the step that runs iirc update.exe .

When I got tired, I was about to try my own method! which constituted
using XXCOPY, or even maybe XCOPY, from the SP3 files to the XP files
(after they were "expanded" whatever onto the hard drive, (in
folder/subfolder format), replacing any file with an earlier date and
time with the file in the SP3 set of files, if there was a file by the
same name in both. Then making a bootable CD from these files, using
the steps that do that from some of the slipstreaming instructions.

Would that work?

 

[Franc Zabkar]

When I got tired, I was about to try my own method! which constituted
using XXCOPY, or even maybe XCOPY, from the SP3 files to the XP files
(after they were "expanded" whatever onto the hard drive, (in
folder/subfolder format), replacing any file with an earlier date and
time with the file in the SP3 set of files, if there was a file by the
same name in both. Then making a bootable CD from these files, using
the steps that do that from some of the slipstreaming instructions.

Would that work?

Sorry, I don't use Win XP.

- Franc Zabkar

 

[Rod Speed]

David Brown wrote

Rod Speed wrote

I have had absolutely zero success installing XP SP2 on a SATA-only drive from an XP+SP2 CD. I know it's possible to
switch over to SATA
mode after installation and installing appropriate drivers, and I know
it's possible if you have a floppy (!) with the drivers for use during
installation. I also understand it can be done by slipstreaming.

But if you know of a simple way to install XP on a SATA drive (not in IDE mode) from an XP+SP2 CD, without a floppy,
I'd be very interested in knowing.

You just do it the same way you do it on an IDE drive, boot off the
distribution CD, tell it to install on the sata drive in the usual way.

 

[Rod Speed]

mm wrote
No you dont.

Thanks. I tried various ways, several times each, of slipstreaming
a couple years ago, and it always ended in failure at one of the last
steps before making the CD, the step that runs iirc update.exe .

autostreamer makes it very easy.

When I got tired, I was about to try my own method! which constituted
using XXCOPY, or even maybe XCOPY, from the SP3 files to the XP files
(after they were "expanded" whatever onto the hard drive, (in
folder/subfolder format), replacing any file with an earlier date and
time with the file in the SP3 set of files, if there was a file by the
same name in both. Then making a bootable CD from these files, using
the steps that do that from some of the slipstreaming instructions.

Would that work?

Nope.

 

[David Brown]

David Brown wrote



You just do it the same way you do it on an IDE drive, boot off the
distribution CD, tell it to install on the sata drive in the usual way.

That's for a SATA drive in IDE mode (technically, it's the controller
that's in IDE mode, not the drive). That's okay, and works - that's
what I currently do when installing XP. But a SATA drive is more
efficient if it is in SATA mode rather than IDE mode - it uses less CPU
power, transfers data a bit faster, and can use newer features like
native command queuing (and trim for SSDs). It doesn't make a huge
difference, so I haven't bothered about it too much. I once went
through the process of installing XP on a drive in IDE mode, the
installing the SATA drivers, messing around in the registry and then
changing the controller to SATA (called "native" or "AHCI") mode in the
BIOS. But it's a lot of effort.

When I install Linux or Win7 on a machine I always put the controller in
true SATA mode. I thought you knew of a way to install XP in native
SATA mode without the hassles of slipstreaming third-party SATA drivers
onto an install CD, but it seems not.

 

[Rod Speed]

David Brown wrote

Rod Speed wrote

That's for a SATA drive in IDE mode
Nope.

(technically, it's the controller that's in IDE mode, not the drive).
Duh.

That's okay, and works - that's what I currently do when installing XP. But a SATA drive is more efficient if it is
in SATA mode rather than IDE mode
Wrong.

- it uses less CPU power,
Wrong.

transfers data a bit faster,
Wrong.

and can use newer features like native command queuing

That works regardless of the mode.

(and trim for SSDs).
Wrong.

It doesn't make a huge difference,

Correct. In fact it doesnt make any difference, but isnt what I do.

so I haven't bothered about it too much. I once went through the process of installing XP on a drive in IDE mode, the
installing the SATA drivers, messing around in the registry and then
changing the controller to SATA (called "native" or "AHCI") mode in the BIOS. But it's a lot of effort.

You dont need to do any of that, just leave the controller in sata mode and install as I said.

When I install Linux or Win7 on a machine I always put the controller in true SATA mode.

I do with XP as well.

I thought you knew of a way to install XP in native SATA mode without the hassles of slipstreaming third-party SATA
drivers onto an install CD,

Yes I do.

but it seems not.

Wrong again.

 

[mm]

mm wrote

No you dont.


autostreamer makes it very easy.

Thanks. Unfortunately I tried autostreamer, at least 6 times, using
more than one copy. Each time it made it through all the steps but
its last one.

Then it would stop and there would be no output file iirc. It's been
two yeasr. I don't even remember if there was an error message or not.

I think maybe in that last step it applies the updeate.exe that it
finds in one of the input files sets, because that is the last step in
the "manual" instructions, for those not using autostreamer. Or maybe
it wasn't using update.exe.

Because it does everything for you, I couldn't really see what it
wasn't successfully doing.

I'll try some more soon.

Nope.

What is it that slipstreaming does, if not add totally new files and
replace old files with newer replacements?


Thanks.

 

[Rod Speed]

mm wrote

Thanks. Unfortunately I tried autostreamer, at least 6 times, using
more than one copy. Each time it made it through all the steps but
its last one.

When you cant make it work with a variety of attempts to slipstream,
including that one which automates everything for you, the most likely
explanation is that there is some problem with the config of that PC.

Try autostreamer on a different PC, it will work fine on.

Then it would stop and there would be no output file iirc. It's been
two yeasr. I don't even remember if there was an error message or not.

I think maybe in that last step it applies the updeate.exe that it
finds in one of the input files sets, because that is the last step in
the "manual" instructions, for those not using autostreamer.
Or maybe it wasn't using update.exe.

Because it does everything for you, I couldn't really see what it
wasn't successfully doing.

I'll try some more soon.

What is it that slipstreaming does, if not add totally new
files and replace old files with newer replacements?

It does a lot more than just replace files.

 

[mm]

mm wrote


When you cant make it work with a variety of attempts to slipstream,
including that one which automates everything for you, the most likely
explanation is that there is some problem with the config of that PC.

Try autostreamer on a different PC, it will work fine on.

Okay, I'll try that too.