OEM vs refill

[measekite]

If you say so.




Again you miss the point. Even IF we agree with you that OEM is better, the
two printer set up demonstrates how it STILL makes sense to use refill ink
in one of them. You won't save as much money but you get OEM quality when
you need it and refill cost savings when you don't.

if you want to do that then get a laser for the text documents anduse
the OEM inkjet when you want to print color photos and other good stuff
that favors an inkjet.

 

[measekite]

So you admit that sometimes you do not need the best quality you OEM inks
can provide?

i have said that for code and printing some stuff from the internet i
use my HP on draft mode. this, while being the lowest HP quality, is
almost as good as standard mode on other printers.

 

[Taliesyn]

I wouldn't call a grand nothing. And since the nature of his work doesn't
lead to fading conditions, and he has claimed no clogs or ink related
failures, that is a lie.

Of course it's a lie. A grand in Canada is huge sum of money - enough to
buy almost 9 iP4200 printers here in Canada. Measekite cannot stand to
hear someone with a success story using aftermarket ink. He turns
magenta. Yeah, so I'm paying about 1/20th OEM ink price. If the
quality of OEM ink was also 20 times better, it might negate my use of
refill ink. However, as I see it, such is not the case. The differences
in quality are too small to notice. Any time ink costs as much or more
than the printer is a clear indication that OEM ink is vastly overpriced
for the average user. Even though I do high quality graphics and some
photos I have absolutely no need for OEM ink. Clogging and fading have
never been an issue for me, regardless of how infrequently I print this
ear.

-Taliesyn

 

[Richard Steinfeld]

Of course it's a lie. A grand in Canada is huge sum of money - enough to
buy almost 9 iP4200 printers here in Canada. Measekite cannot stand to
hear someone with a success story using aftermarket ink. He turns
magenta. Yeah, so I'm paying about 1/20th OEM ink price. If the
quality of OEM ink was also 20 times better, it might negate my use of
refill ink. However, as I see it, such is not the case. The differences
in quality are too small to notice. Any time ink costs as much or more
than the printer is a clear indication that OEM ink is vastly overpriced
for the average user. Even though I do high quality graphics and some
photos I have absolutely no need for OEM ink. Clogging and fading have
never been an issue for me, regardless of how infrequently I print this
ear.

80% of Hewlett-Packard's corporate profit comes from the sale of printer
consumables. I've decided to take all my photo printing business -- the
snapshot stuff -- to Costco at 17 cents per print (US). I'll print
less-than-optimum color matching on my old HP printers with aftermarket
inks. For art prints, I'll go some other route. I can do much more with
that 80% myself than pay for the HP board's latest follies.

Note that I'd rather buy OEM ink myself; I'd be honored to pay into Bob
Headrick's retirement fund this way; but the company must be honest and
do business honestly. Bob's been a wonderful participant in this
newsgroup, generous, thoughful, and a great contributor. Yet, I don't
want to treat myself as a hostage in order to do this.

Honest, genuine competition is healthy in a capatalist economy, yet so
many corporations behave in a dog-eat-dog manner to try to obtain a
de-facto monopoly, or at least, to create an ink cartel as we have now.
That ain't good for us. I won't play.

Argggh.

Richard

 

[Taliesyn]

80% of Hewlett-Packard's corporate profit comes from the sale of printer
consumables. I've decided to take all my photo printing business -- the
snapshot stuff -- to Costco at 17 cents per print (US). I'll print
less-than-optimum color matching on my old HP printers with aftermarket
inks. For art prints, I'll go some other route. I can do much more with
that 80% myself than pay for the HP board's latest follies.

Yes, I can tweak color if need be (though I rarely do so), it's not
rocket science - just slide the color levers in the properties box.

Note that I'd rather buy OEM ink myself; I'd be honored to pay into Bob
Headrick's retirement fund this way; but the company must be honest and
do business honestly.

It can't be an "honest business" if OEM ink cost exceeds the value of
the printer, which in a lot of cases is occurring.

Bob's been a wonderful participant in this newsgroup, generous, thoughful,
and a great contributor. Yet, I don't want to treat myself as a hostage in
order to do this.

Yes, I have nothing but respect for Bob Headrick (who doesn't set the
price of HP ink)!

Honest, genuine competition is healthy in a capatalist economy, yet so
many corporations behave in a dog-eat-dog manner to try to obtain a
de-facto monopoly, or at least, to create an ink cartel as we have now.
That ain't good for us. I won't play.

Just think how rich US auto makers would be if they were permitted to
sell exclusive fuel for their cars that would cost the equivalent of a
new car every time you filled up. We'd be screaming mad, wouldn't we.
Yet printer makers do that now with their inks - and so far have gotten
away with it!... Well, not if I'm paying ... ;-) I'd rather pay the
little businessman who prices his ink COMPETITIVELY, takes only a very
small share for himself, so that I may keep most of money in my own
pocket.

-Taliesyn

 

[measekite]

Of course it's a lie. A grand in Canada is huge sum of money - enough to
buy almost 9 iP4200 printers here in Canada. Measekite cannot stand to
hear someone with a success story using aftermarket ink. He turns
magenta. Yeah, so I'm paying about 1/20th OEM ink price. If the
quality of OEM ink was also 20 times better, it might negate my use of
refill ink

Ron tried the junk and had the opposite experience. Since he is a
professional photographer that sells his work I tend to believe him.

. However, as I see it, such is not the case. The differences
in quality are too small to notice.

Only in your eyes but not professional people and serious ametaeus.

Any time ink costs as much or more
than the printer is a clear indication that OEM ink is vastly overpriced

No argument there. It is overpriced but unfortunately there is no
alternative.

for the average user. Even though I do high quality graphics and some
photos I have absolutely no need for OEM ink. Clogging and fading have
never been an issue for me, regardless of how infrequently I print this
ear.

I thought you print with a printer. How do you print with an ear?

 

[Taliesyn]

Ron tried the junk and had the opposite experience.

Ron is of no consequence to anyone here. My proof is hanging on my walls
before me in splendid color photos, dazzling CD/DVD graphics on my
shelves, stunning 96 page booklets, and mind blowing greetings cards.
The proof is what I print and not secondhand hearsay from anonymous
sources and newsnet trolls.

No argument there. It is overpriced but unfortunately there is no
alternative.

Naturally, since you have to tow the company line there is no
alternative for you. I, on the other hand, work for no one, so there IS
an alternative and I'm using it. Too bad for you (no alternative), I'm
having a ball saving money. I've saved so much over the last two years
my next 10 printers are free.

-Taliesyn

 

[measekite]

Ron is of no consequence to anyone here.

It appears that a professional that has fully tested the relabeled inks
and expresses a professional opinion that is quite contrary to yours is
of no consequence. Who are reasonable people going to believe, a
professional photographer that did adequate testing or a high school kid
that is constantly broke and will compromise reality for money.

My proof is hanging on my walls
before me in splendid color photos, dazzling CD/DVD graphics on my
shelves, stunning 96 page booklets, and mind blowing greetings cards.
The proof is what I print and not secondhand hearsay from anonymous
sources and newsnet trolls.

You should not refer to yourself in that manner.

 

[Frank]

Ron is of no consequence to anyone here. My proof is hanging on my walls
before me in splendid color photos, dazzling CD/DVD graphics on my
shelves, stunning 96 page booklets, and mind blowing greetings cards.
The proof is what I print and not secondhand hearsay from anonymous
sources and newsnet trolls.

Exactly! Always believe what you yourself have printed, regardless of
what some so-called "professional" says.
In printing, believe what you see, cause that's all that matters.
Frank

 

[Taliesyn]

It appears that a professional that has fully tested the relabeled inks
and expresses a professional opinion that is quite contrary to yours is
of no consequence.

Yeah, that's right; no consequence to me at all. I'm paying about $5 to
refill a set of cartridges instead of $100 Canadian for OEM. I don't see
any problem with a person saving $95 every refill and being happy with
the color, fade resistance, lack of clogging and ridiculous ease of
refill. Go bark up another tree. I have more affordable ink than I know
what to do with.

-Taliesyn

 

[measekite]

Yeah, that's right; no consequence to me at all. I'm paying about $5 to
refill a set of cartridges instead of $100 Canadian for OEM. I don't see
any problem with a person saving $95 every refill and being happy with
the color, fade resistance, lack of clogging and ridiculous ease of
refill.

So you spend less and according to any reviewer that is respected and
meaningful you get less. The fact that you are chosing to be satisfied
with less is your choice.

 

[Taliesyn]

So you spend less

Spend less????

I'm getting it almost for "free" - $5 for a refill versus $100 Canadian
for OEM ink. You see... $100 - $5 = $95 in my pocket. Thank you very
much. It's like getting a free printer every time I refill! Nice to
have alternative, affordable choices to the "ink cartel" Measekite so
diligently promotes on a daily basis here. Obviously it isn't working on
intelligent people who have found their way around the Big Brother ink
monopoly ;-)

-Taliesyn

 

[CWatters]

It appears that a professional that has fully tested the relabeled inks
and expresses a professional opinion that is quite contrary to yours is
of no consequence. Who are reasonable people going to believe,

They don't have to believe anyone. They can try it for themselves.

 

[frank]

They don't have to believe anyone. They can try it for themselves.

Meashershithead says "fully tested". I don't think so. Not even close.
That idiot thinks all after market inks come out of the same back room vat.
His "professional" didn't test the ink I use.
Moron!
Frank

 

[Taliesyn]

They don't have to believe anyone. They can try it for themselves.

Measekite is unable to test any inks for himself for fear he'll scrap
his obsolete printer. He mentioned in another newsgroup he was "cheap".
Thus you understand where he's coming from and his predicament. He has
to rely on "Rons", "Wilhelms", "Taliesyns", "Burts", "Tonys", "Arthurs"
and "Headricks" to do his thinking for him. It's a thankless job, I
know. . . ;-)

-Taliesyn

 

[measekite]

Measekite is unable to test any inks for himself for fear he'll scrap
his obsolete printer. He mentioned in another newsgroup he was
"cheap". Thus you understand where he's coming from and his
predicament. He has
to rely on "Rons", "Wilhelms", "Taliesyns", "Burts", "Tonys",
"Arthurs" and "Headricks" to do his thinking for him. It's a thankless
job, I know. . . ;-)

I rely on myself and intilligent people like Ron and Wilhelm. The
remainder of your list is in your class plus 50 or so years.