OEM OS

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I am now convinced, thanks to you folks, to get an OEM OS. For Win XP Pro,
what is the latest version in terms of SP? I saw a site selling with SP1a...is
this the latest?

Also, how is the service pack included..is it on an additional disc or already
inegrated into the OS? If on another disc do you just slip it into the CD ROM
and it automatically applies itself ina self explanatory way? In terms of ease
applying the SP, is the OEM exactly the same as the retail?

Thanks.

Howard
 
SP1a is latest.
Service pack is already integrated into the installation.
After setup, you have a Windows XP w/Service Pack 1a machine.

John S.

HMSDOC said:
Ok, after the help you folks gave me I am comfortable with the idea of Windows
XP Pro purchased as an OEM edition. What is the latest version that would have
the most integration in terms of service packs etc..I found one that says with
SP1a, but don't know if this is the latest. I do assume that this means that
either the SP is already integrated or at least comes on a disc that you can
add right in, is this correct? If it is on a separate disc, how is it added
...by just putting it into the CD ROM after the OS installs and then it is self
explanatory, or is there any OEM issues with this.

Thanks.

Howard

Thanks very much John.

Howard
 
I would consider trying to find an OEM version of XP, without SP1a included.
Reason: SP1a does not include MS Java, because of the ongoing legal problems
with Sun Java. Download the 133 MB version of SP1 (minus the "a") which does
have MS Java, and load it (you won't find it on the MS site, but a "Google"
will get it for you). When you do the Update from the website, it will
recognize that you already have the Java program and update it.

My understanding is that is the only major difference between SP1 and SP1a,
and it doesn't work in your favor. I'm sure others will correct me if I'm
wrong.

Fitz
 
Fitz said:
I would consider trying to find an OEM version of XP, without SP1a included.
Reason: SP1a does not include MS Java, because of the ongoing legal problems
with Sun Java. Download the 133 MB version of SP1 (minus the "a") which does
have MS Java, and load it (you won't find it on the MS site, but a "Google"
will get it for you). When you do the Update from the website, it will
recognize that you already have the Java program and update it.


Why would anybody *want* the MS version of Java? It's a bastardized
release of a 5 year old Java version.

It's not that hard to install the latest version of Java2 from
www.javasoft.com (sun)


-WD
 
Howdy!

Fitz said:
I would consider trying to find an OEM version of XP, without SP1a included.
Reason: SP1a does not include MS Java, because of the ongoing legal problems
with Sun Java. Download the 133 MB version of SP1 (minus the "a") which does
have MS Java, and load it (you won't find it on the MS site, but a "Google"
will get it for you). When you do the Update from the website, it will
recognize that you already have the Java program and update it.

My understanding is that is the only major difference between SP1 and SP1a,
and it doesn't work in your favor. I'm sure others will correct me if I'm
wrong.

<blink> And what's wrong with the Sun Java Runtime Environment
(from http://www.java.com )?

RwP
 
See, told you someone would correct me!
The last time I downloaded the Sun Java program ( a couple years ago), I had
problems with it. I've since been content with the MS Java program.

Fitz
 
I thoght I'd killfiled you. Nevermind. I'll fix that, right now.

-
Conor Turton stood up at show-n-tell, in
(e-mail address removed), and said:
Doesn't here...

--
Strontium

"You were the first thing, that I thought of. When, I thought
I'd drank you, off my mind. When I get lost, in the liquor, you're
the only one I find. If I did the thangs, I oughtta', you still would
not be mine. So, I keep a tight grip on the bottle...Gettin' loose
and, killin' time..." - Clint Black
 
See, told you someone would correct me!
The last time I downloaded the Sun Java program ( a couple years ago), I had
problems with it. I've since been content with the MS Java program.

_________________________________________________________

Newbie question. Do I understand that I need only ONE Java program
installed to run any Java Script? Or are there different flavors of
Java Script?
 
Whereas On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:29:21 -0700, W7TI <[email protected]>
scribbled:
, I thus relpy:
_________________________________________________________

Newbie question. Do I understand that I need only ONE Java program
installed to run any Java Script? Or are there different flavors of
Java Script?

Just one, but Sun and M$ do it differently, and according to Fitz, M$
is better at it.
 
Howdy!

Strontium said:
-
Ralph Wade Phillips stood up at show-n-tell, in
[email protected], and said:

Ummm.... they programmed it to crash, repeatedly, on WinOS?

They did? News to me ... I've not had a single system crash on the
ten machines I put OpenOffice 1.1RC on, in over a month now.

(No, I don't think the Sun JRE is magically stabilizing a bad
machine - but they didn't crash BEFORE I did that, either.)

RwP
 
_________________________________________________________

Newbie question. Do I understand that I need only ONE Java program
installed to run any Java Script? Or are there different flavors of
Java Script?

First of all: 'Java Script' is not 'Java'! They're not even remotely
related, and have no similarities at all!
'Java Script' is a scriptlanguage used to control and automate an
application. The applications in question are Navigator and Internet
Explorer. Java Script was created by Netscape as Navigators
scriptlanguage. It is used to control your browser. Like opening new
windows and consoles for commersials. You cannot use any 'J'/Java
virtual machine to execute 'Java Scripts'. These work directly on the
browsers own active functions.

'Java' is a platform independent, 100% object oriented programming
language developed by Sun.
It is used to write software 'objects'. There are two kinds of Java
objects that are executable. 'Applet' and 'Application'. These then
use other Java objects when they are running.

'Applet' is a HTML component. It is launched by a HTML page and is run
on the browser. The browser must provide the 'machine' that executes
the Applet.
An Applet cannot touch your computer or access any resources on it. It
is an 'intelligent', interactive part of a HTML document. Like a
program on a webpage.
It serves exactly the same purpose as 'Active-X'. With the important
distinction that 'Active-X' is MS only. - AND has FULL access to your
computer.

'Application' is just like any other application, a program running on
your computer, With full access to files, hardware, network and
internet.

I haven't kept update on this, but MS J*ava* is not Java. It's an
intentionally corrupted variation. And I think they are forbidden to
call it Java. Isn't it just called MS J nowdays?
Java is platform independent. MS J isn't, it's MS Windows only.
'J' objects developed on MS tools often don't work properly on a real
Java VM. That is why 'useful idiots' use MS JVM instead of Sun, so
that other 'useful idiots' can use MS J++ development tools, and so
on...

This is all fully intentional. MS is not interested in Java. The
software technology pushed by MS to fulfill the same role as Java is
the 'dot.net' platform and the 'C#' (C-step) programming language. The
big difference is that Java is platform independent and 'dot.net' is
guaranteed to be fully MS-dependent!

The reason MS is f***ng about with J is to destroy the universal
usefulness of Java. And they have succeeded pretty well, I think.

....As for evidence, internal MS documents, surfacing during DOJ
antitrust case against MS, explicitly spells out MS strategy against
Sun and Java. But everybody but the very clueless already knew all
this all along...


ancra
 
First of all: 'Java Script' is not 'Java'! They're not even remotely
related, and have no similarities at all!
<snip>

_________________________________________________________

Great explanation. Thanks very much.
 
Great quote. TYVM. Love how someone reading would never know WTH the
person you replied to, was talking about. WAIT! I'm turning into the nazi
that I purport to stand against!

-
W7TI stood up, at show-n-tell, and said:
<snip>

_________________________________________________________
<TRIM>
 
-
Ralph Wade Phillips stood up, at show-n-tell, and said:
Howdy!



They did? News to me ... I've not had a single system crash
on the ten machines I put OpenOffice 1.1RC on, in over a month now.

I never said one IOTA about *nix.
 
Howdy!

Strontium said:
-
Ralph Wade Phillips stood up, at show-n-tell, and said:


I never said one IOTA about *nix.

Neither did I.

Or did I? If I did, where did I?

They happen to be Win2K machines, BTW.

RwP
 
-
Ralph Wade Phillips stood up at show-n-tell, in
[email protected], and said:
Howdy!



Neither did I.

Or did I? If I did, where did I?

They happen to be Win2K machines, BTW.

Ok, you caught me! I wasn't reading. I'm still convinced of the conspiracy
theory, though! I don't use OpenOffice, and I'm not sure what that has to
do with Sun's version of Java...


--
Strontium

"You were the first thing, that I thought of. When, I thought
I'd drank you, off my mind. When I get lost, in the liquor, you're
the only one I find. If I did the thangs, I oughtta', you still would
not be mine. So, I keep a tight grip on the bottle...Gettin' loose
and, killin' time..." - Clint Black
 
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