The only allies we didn't have "on-board" were the French
and Germans, their leaders were in the pocket of Iraq for
millions of personal dollars, they still want their stolen
money.
One rule of street fighting or warfare, if you wait until
you have perfect knowledge, you're dead.
Rocket motors are on the list of banned weapons and are part
of the WMD system. The Sarin gas shell was of a type not
listed with the UN before the inspectors were kicked out of
Iraq. You don't make just one artillery shell. 20,000
liters of chemicals can kill millions of people and be
hidden in two or three trucks in a cave. Or it could be
dispersed and hidden in sewers, parks, private homes.
Anyway, in three weeks Iraq will have their fate back in
their own hands, let's see how it plays out. I have the
expectation it will be fine.
--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
"Michael Solomon (MS-MVP Windows Shell/User)"
| I heard about the rocket motors, still no WMDs but they
found out Saddam was
| pushing his staff to purchase WMDs and couldn't understand
why they didn't
| have them given all the money he had to offer. That would
indicate he
| didn't have them.
|
| However, it justifies my support of the war as I thought
if he didn't have
| them he was trying to get them. I don't have to justify
it though, I'm not
| the president and I didn't tell the nation he had them nor
would I have done
| so without proof. Further, I and many others who
supported this, also
| suggested we get our allies on board before going in
because we'd need them
| when the war was over and now we do.
|
| It's not a question of needing permission to defend
ourselves, we don't but
| if you want the help of the world down the road, you can't
start out by
| ignoring your allies. It was a diplomatic blunder and we
could be paying
| for it for years.
|
| --
| Michael Solomon
|
in message
| | > You should listen to the news about the rocket motors
found
| > in Syria and other places.
| >
| >
| > "Michael Solomon (MS-MVP Windows Shell/User)"
| > | > | Hmm, you may need to find a different news source,
Jim.
| > At President Bush's
| > | news conference yesterday or today, when asked
directly
| > about weapons of
| > | mass destruction his response was, "We know he had the
| > means to produce
| > | them."
| > |
| > | --
| > | Michael Solomon
| > |
| > | "Jim Macklin" <p51mustang[threeX12]@xxxhotmail.calm>
wrote
| > in message
| > | | > | > Gee, if you listen to the news, you'll hear about
the
| > | > weapons they are finding.
| > | >
| > | > You must not live anywhere near where I do, within
1/4
| > mile
| > | > there are people of just about all nationalities and
| > races.
| > | > I live in an area of 4-plexs and apartments, my
| > neighbors
| > | > are black, Asian, Hispanic black, Hispanic white and
| > | > Hispanic Indian.
| > | >
| > | > Only in America can an immigrant become a native.
You
| > have
| > | > a jaded view of the world put forth by the
anti-American
| > | > propagandists.
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > "Ted" <&&&&&&&&&&&> wrote in message
| > | >
| >
| > | > |
| > | > | "Jim Macklin"
<p51mustang[threeX12]@xxxhotmail.calm>
| > wrote
| > | > in message
| > | > | | > | > | > I have a lot more faith in the moral position of
the
| > | > USA.
| > | > | > The Nazi submarines were sent out in teams they
| > called
| > | > wolf
| > | > | > packs for exactly the reason stated.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > You will recall that the World Trade Center was
| > attacked
| > | > | > before Iraq was liberated. Poor political and
| > military
| > | > | > actions in VN and later in Somalia have led some
to
| > | > think
| > | > | > the USA is an easy target. Do I think we are
doing
| > the
| > | > job
| > | > | > as I would do it were I President, No! Just
read
| > and
| > | > | > understand my sig...
| > | > | >
| > | > | > --
| > | > | > The people think the Constitution protects their
| > rights;
| > | > | > But government sees it as an obstacle to be
| > overcome.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > I think there are many targets in the USA that
could
| > be
| > | > | > attacked and would do great harm to the nation.
I
| > have
| > | > told
| > | > | > my Congressman and the FBI what I see as
targets. I
| > | > also
| > | > | > think that the bureaucrats are using "the war on
| > | > terrorism"
| > | > | > as a lever to expand government. The TSA has
been
| > very
| > | > slow
| > | > | > in compliance with the law requiring that
airline
| > pilots
| > | > be
| > | > | > armed.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Your trying to claim that the current USA is a
Nazi
| > | > | > operation is offensive and wrong headed in my
| > opinion.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Since you seem to think that the defeat of the
USA
| > would
| > | > be
| > | > | > a "good thing" and that the fact that 25 years
ago
| > the
| > | > | > communists controlled most of Asia, much of
Europe,
| > | > Africa
| > | > | > and South/Central America and today, due mostly
to
| > the
| > | > USA
| > | > | > and Ronald Reagan's policies (with some
communist
| > | > resurgence
| > | > | > due to the pervert named Clinton) most of the
| > world's
| > | > | > people live in freedom from communism, even
China
| > may
| > | > become
| > | > | > free within 20 years if we don't get the end of
the
| > | > world
| > | > | > they keep talking about in 2012 on Coast 2 Coast
| > (Art
| > | > Bell,
| > | > | > the same guy who wrote that comedy THE DAY AFTER
| > | > TOMORROW.
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | > "Ted" <&&&&&&&&&&&> wrote in message
| > | > | >
| > | >
| >
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | "Jim Macklin"
| > <p51mustang[threeX12]@xxxhotmail.calm>
| > | > wrote
| > | > | > in message
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | > The best way to have peace is to be strong
| > enough to
| > | > win
| > | > | > any
| > | > | > | > war and known to be willing to win the war.
As
| > the
| > | > Fonz
| > | > | > | > said to Ritchie, (slightly paraphrased) You
have
| > to
| > | > have
| > | > | > hit
| > | > | > | > somebody before and repeat as needed. Or
Ben
| > | > Franklin,
| > | > | > "The
| > | > | > | > tree of liberty must be refreshed with the
blood
| > of
| > | > | > | > patriots."
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > Weakness encourages attack, just watch a
pack of
| > | > wolves
| > | > | > | > after the caribou.
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | That is a poor anaolgy, unless you're
suggesting
| > that
| > | > this
| > | > | > current Reich
| > | > | > | acts on the same instinctive biological
functions
| > to
| > | > that
| > | > | > of wolfpacks (also
| > | > | > | a nom de plume given to certain nazi fighting
| > | > groups!). If
| > | > | > so, then I can
| > | > | > | accept that, since the power of reasoning is
an
| > | > inherent
| > | > | > particular to
| > | > | > | humans more so than instinct, with the former
not
| > | > easily
| > | > | > exhibited from the
| > | > | > | current ameriKKKan Reichstag.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > | You put words in my mouth, as I didn't hint that a
| > defeat
| > | > of the USA would
| > | > | be a good thing. This how poor arguments ensue, by
| > making
| > | > cases that don't
| > | > | exist to favor your position. The USA doesn't look
out
| > for
| > | > the democracies
| > | > | of other countries, let alone their own. they
| > represent
| > | > how a real democracy
| > | > | shouldn't work.
| > | > |
| > | > | In one example, they dismount the Taliban regime
in
| > | > Afghanistan, which is OK
| > | > | by me, because the rest of the world was behind
this,
| > and
| > | > gave support; they
| > | > | didn't do this in Iraq. They lied about WMD, now
they
| > | > admit it, but use the
| > | > | reasoning that they removed a tyrant, OK!
| > | > |
| > | > | If they are for creating democracies by removing
| > tyrants
| > | > (though Bush in his
| > | > | last campaign stated that he isn't in the business
of
| > | > nation building), then
| > | > | why doesn't he go after the other brutal
governments
| > in
| > | > the world, if that
| > | > | is the new reasoning. Also, this administration
uses
| > the
| > | > bases in former
| > | > | Soviet republics to perform their activities in
| > | > Afghanistan that is as
| > | > | brutal as was the Taliban.
| > | > |
| > | > | Good thinking and consistent for promoting what
the
| > USA
| > | > thinks is right for
| > | > | other nations. Use the military installations of
those
| > | > countries that commit
| > | > | crimes against their own people, to remove a
regime
| > that
| > | > committed crimes
| > | > | against its own people, in return for economic and
| > | > military aid! Where's the
| > | > | democracy in this? Where looking out for "all"
people?
| > | > |
| > | > | Why is it when you go to most other democracies in
the
| > | > world, all people in
| > | > | those countries live among each other, yet in the
USA,
| > | > they have distinct,
| > | > | and relatively poor minority areas that have
blacks,
| > | > Hispanics, etals other
| > | > | than whites, living in areas of their own. They
are
| > | > typically poor, and
| > | > | their is still rampant discrimination there, where
is
| > the
| > | > democracy, where
| > | > | is the unity?
| > | > |
| > | > | The USA should not try to democratize other
nations
| > (they
| > | > should try their
| > | > | own first) that may not want their style of
democracy,
| > and
| > | > why they are the
| > | > | only one nation that does this, should be
testament to
| > why
| > | > they shouldn't.
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
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