Not getting Vista as standard on new systsem

[Andy]

That is a very very short sighted reply.

We use XP exclusively at work. We're not large enough to warrant
purchasing through volume licensing with software assurance (so no rights
to downgrade the OS). Some tools we use will never work on Vista. We're
now having to consider the issue that when we buy our next PC we'll be
getting (and paying for) Vista, even though we don't want it.

D

Its not fair in a way - there should be a choice, with maybe a free upgrade
to Vista operating system at a later date if you wish to.

 

[Andy]

No, it's more than just that. It's because a lot of specialized software
used by a lot of businesses is not Vista-ready. It's because businesses
with smart IT people won't move to a new operating system without a lot of
testing first. Even if a business's niche/bespoke software does work with
Vista, smart IT people will wait at least 6 months-1 year or even until
after the first Service Pack to change. The same thing happened with the
move from NT to Win2k to XP. This is nothing new.


Malke
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MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User

And they are quite right to do so as well. - just because something is new
anyway it doesn't necessarily go in hand that its better than the last thing
to come out. Look at the home users Windows Millennium after Windows 98! -
what was the best operating system out of them 2?

 

[Alias]

And they are quite right to do so as well. - just because something is new
anyway it doesn't necessarily go in hand that its better than the last thing
to come out. Look at the home users Windows Millennium after Windows 98! -
what was the best operating system out of them 2?

Anyone except a repair tech is being very foolish by installing Vista
before it hits prime time. Personally, I just bought another copy of XP Pro.

Alias

 

[Andy]

Anyone except a repair tech is being very foolish by installing Vista
before it hits prime time. Personally, I just bought another copy of XP
Pro.

Alias

Its like a new car/automobile isn't it, a new model that comes out - you
can have loads of teething problems and over an amount of time these are
eventually ironed out by the manufacturers until eventually its safe to buy
because all the problems or nearly all the problems have been sorted.

 

[Nemo MS MVXPshelluser]

Its like a new car/automobile isn't it, a new model that comes out - you
can have loads of teething problems and over an amount of time these are
eventually ironed out by the manufacturers until eventually its safe to
buy because all the problems or nearly all the problems have been sorted.

Not really Andy, Vista is nothing compared to my new Toyota. My car is
flawless, doesn't need to be shut down and restarted to work right, starts
in a couple of seconds, doesn't need a service pack, I am the only driver it
needs, and I don't need updating. The car manufacturers are way ahead of
the computer manufacturers insofar as reliablity and functionality are
concerned.


A word to the wise:
Make your choice now - the vast right-wing, or the half-vast left-wing. Say
half-vast again and again until you get it...

 

[Andy]

Not really Andy, Vista is nothing compared to my new Toyota. My car is
flawless, doesn't need to be shut down and restarted to work right, starts
in a couple of seconds, doesn't need a service pack, I am the only driver
it needs, and I don't need updating. The car manufacturers are way ahead
of the computer manufacturers insofar as reliablity and functionality are
concerned.


A word to the wise:
Make your choice now - the vast right-wing, or the half-vast left-wing.
Say half-vast again and again until you get it...

You touched lucky. I had a brand new car once that was giving trouble and
parts had to be 'revised' and modified and had a recall but after those
things were sorted out it was ok - I did say that after that I would
question ever buying a brand spanking new car again rather a 6 month to a
year old (looked after well) so that the previous owner can have the
teething troubles and the headaches!

So I should have really said *some* cars can have problems from new.....

 

[cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)]

Anyone except a repair tech is being very foolish by installing Vista
before it hits prime time. Personally, I just bought another copy of XP Pro.

I wouldn't upgrade a PC that's nicely set up in XP, but I would want
Vista rather than XP on a new PC - else the PC's immediately
depreciated by a year or more.

In a few years down the line, PCs will either be on Vista and usable,
or pre-Vista and getting less useful all the time. Vista's built for
the next 5 years of hardware and usage, so it's a better long-haul
bet, even if the first few months are a bit dull and finicky.

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Saws are too hard to use.
Be easier to use!

 

[Frankster]

I wouldn't upgrade a PC that's nicely set up in XP, but I would want
Vista rather than XP on a new PC - else the PC's immediately
depreciated by a year or more.

In a few years down the line, PCs will either be on Vista and usable,
or pre-Vista and getting less useful all the time. Vista's built for
the next 5 years of hardware and usage, so it's a better long-haul
bet, even if the first few months are a bit dull and finicky.

Agree. That's exactly what I tell my clients. Vista for new, but don't
bother upgrading existing hardware (in all but unusual circumstances). I
also tell them that my view of any off-the-shelf software (MS OSs included)
is... upgrade or perish. Eventually, you just gotta do it. Hopefully before
you start running into compatibility issues. But you don't gotta do it right
away!

-Frank

 

[Alias]

I wouldn't upgrade a PC that's nicely set up in XP, but I would want
Vista rather than XP on a new PC - else the PC's immediately
depreciated by a year or more.

In a few years down the line, PCs will either be on Vista and usable,
or pre-Vista and getting less useful all the time.

Or Linux or Mac.

Vista's built for
the next 5 years of hardware and usage, so it's a better long-haul
bet, even if the first few months are a bit dull and finicky.

In a one, maybe two years time, Vista will be ready for prime time. Now
it's still being tested by the naive masses and techies like you.

Alias

 

[cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)]

On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 15:37:48 +0100, Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.es>
In a few years down the line, PCs will either be on Vista and usable,
or pre-Vista and getting less useful all the time.

[/QUOTE]

Or Linux or Mac.

Both of those have their version waypoints too. Apple have changed
processors twice, whereas ye olde PC processor can still run stuff
from the 1980s (I run a program that old every day <g> )

But yes, your point is valid in that when there's a big shift, it's an
opportunity to change. For example, going from MS Office 2003 or
older to MS Office 2007 needs learning a new UI, which matches the
impact of switching to Open Office instead.

One thing the PC has taught me, is that even the ugliest design can
hold its own if it has enough folks using and developing it. Apple's
hoping to get the best of both worlds; piggy-back on the mass
processor, graphics and expansion card development of the PC while
still locking MacOS users into their own brand of hardware. It will
be done by artificially preventing Windows from running on Apple PCs,
and preventing MacOS from running on generic PCs.

What a waste of effort... :-/

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Saws are too hard to use.
Be easier to use!