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* * Chas said:
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Extreme bloatware. I ran NAV among others from 1995 until about a year
and a half ago. When I uninstalled NAV 2002 from the last system I was
running it on, I freed up 400MB of disk space! That's bloatware!!!

NAV installs a lot of files in the Windows folders. NOD32 is less than
30MB.

Chas.
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I stopped using it at NAV 2002. About a year ago I was checking out my
father's machine: he had NAV2003 on Windows 9x. At least half a dozen Norton
entries in the Startup axis and the machine would boot up with something
like 55% resources. Whether NAV is any good on XP, I don't know, but it's
painfully obvious Symantec figure if a user still has Win 98 or Win ME they
can go screw themselves.

They also - despite the intellectually-challenged recommendations to use
earlier versions of NAV, you see on this ng - made it impossible to
re-install all program updates (as opposed to definitions) on 2001/2002, via
Live Update or their ftp site if you happen to, for whatever reason,
uninstall it, so obviously figure customers can go screw themselves that
way, too.

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Shane said:
despite the intellectually-challenged recommendations to use
earlier versions of NAV you see on this ng
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You should become more informed before you make such a statement.
It's been shown that the updates that come down the pipe from
LiveUpdate for older versions of NAV (like NAV 2002) include the most
recent version of not only the viral defn patterns but the detection
engine as well.
They also made it impossible to re-install all program
updates (as opposed to definitions) on 2001/2002, via
Live Update or their ftp site
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I don't use the FTP site, but in general you're wrong that you can't
reinstall NAV 2001/2002 today and then update it. I just re-installed
NAV 2002 last week on one computer, and using live update I was able
to bring it completely up-to-date (program and defn files) and it's
"subscription" to LiveUpdate won't expire now until Jan 2007.
if you happen to, for whatever reason, uninstall it, so
obviously figure customers can go screw themselves that
way, too.
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The bloat for NAV started IMO in version 2003. As I don't use that
version, I don't know how hard it is to re-install it to obtain
another year's worth of free updating. The general consensus is that
NAV 2003 - 2004 - 2005 has become increasingly sophisticated in
preventing re-installation to obtain continued free access to
LiveUpdate.

It's probably the case that the performance "bloat" that started for
NAV 2003 coincides with the appearance of XP in home computers
(arguably Norton's largest target market). It probably takes more
bloat (ie more hooks, more processes, more processor time) to
continuously monitor a computer running XP to check for a malware
process that springs up in time to kill it before it de-activates AV
software and executes it's payload.

A good hosts file, combined with AdAware and Spybot (and not using
Java, and using FireFox as a primary browser) probably make for a
better first line of defence for your typical home or small office
computer vs any piece of AV software these days.
 
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