K
kim
question what does not non-chipped mean ??
B
BD
kim said:
In newer printers, there's a small bit of circuitry embedded on the
print cartridge - it communicates with the printer, in effect.
It's 'touted' purpose is to protect the user, by better informing them
of the state of the carts - ink levels etc. BUT, in my opinion, it's a
vaguely disguised cash grab, as the chipping makes it more challenging
for people to refill the carts with cheaper after-market ink.
The manufacturers _have_ been burned in the past, by people who've
buggered up their printers in the process of refilling them, and then
taken them back for warranty replacement. These carts with the chips
will warn you about warranty violation if you're refilling them, and
then do wacky stuff like stop reporting ink levels after a few refills.
non-chipped means that users can refill the carts to their hearts'
content, without the printer being the wiser.
B
Burt
(snip)>
BD - While that may so in some cases, my experience and that of other users
of quality bulk refill inks is that the printers work just the same as with
OEM inks. Some aftermarket inks may be garbage, but they don't all cause
damage to printers. In addition, OEM ink users also have issues with
clogging and warranty replacement. The inkjet printer manufacturers didn't
put cleaning cycles in their software for aftermarket ink users. They
recognize that heads also clog with OEM inks.
BD - While that may so in some cases, my experience and that of other users
of quality bulk refill inks is that the printers work just the same as with
OEM inks. Some aftermarket inks may be garbage, but they don't all cause
damage to printers. In addition, OEM ink users also have issues with
clogging and warranty replacement. The inkjet printer manufacturers didn't
put cleaning cycles in their software for aftermarket ink users. They
recognize that heads also clog with OEM inks.
B
BD
Yup, I agree - I only wish the aftermarket ink was more similar to OEM.
I just tried my first refill of a Canon Pixma, using Hobbicolors. Sadly
unimpressed.
I haven't given up yet, but I'm not hopeful. I'll try other
formulations, and see what I can do about generating a new icc profile,
before I throw in the towel.
M
milou
Which inks are known to actually damage printers?
B
Burt
milou said:
I don't know - the ones I've used have been OK in my Canon printers. MIS,
Computer Friends. Others have reported the use of Formulabs and Hobbicolors
without harm to their printers. When people complain about inks that damage
their printers they should be specific about brand of ink, printer, etc.
M
milou
My feeling too.
I've used many Epson and Canon printers at work and at home, always
used all sorts of compatible inks and never had a printed damaged
because of ink.
We have had several printers damaged by clumsy / careless / stupid
users, though!
T
Tony
milou said:
I have never seen a compatible ink damage a printer. There are reports of some
generic inks doing so, whilst I haven't seen this I can believe it because
generic inks (not formulated for your printer) could be entirely inappropriate
for the printhead causing clogging, failing to properly cool (too viscous) etc.
Most of the manufacturers discussed here provide compatible inks, very few of
them are generic suppliers and I strongly advise against the use of anything
that purports to be generic (applies to toner too but to a lesser extent).
Tony
A
Arthur Entlich
I assume it means chipped. A double negative?
Art
Art
B
Burt
non-chipped = without a chip. bci-6 and bci-3 carts are non-chipped. The
newest canon carts are chipped.
newest canon carts are chipped.
A
Arthur Entlich
So, reading the earlier posting:
"What does NOT non-chipped mean?"
if non-chipped means without a chip, then NOT non-chipped, means NOT
without a chip, or, WITH a chip...
Art
"What does NOT non-chipped mean?"
if non-chipped means without a chip, then NOT non-chipped, means NOT
without a chip, or, WITH a chip...
Art
B
Burt
Arthur Entlich said:
OOPs - I didn't see the earlier posting - only the one that you responded to
with the original message removed.
The exception would be with some languages other than English where double
negatives are correct language construction (i.e.German) and the double
negative does not equal a positive. Ich habe nicht kein gelt. Literal
translation is "I have not no money" but it translates to "I have no money"
in English.
Also, using an American idiomatic phrase that is somewhat peculiar on the
face of it - when approaching a clerk at a store to see if they have an item
in stock it goes something like this: "you don't happen to have the item I
wish to purchase, do you?" In the US (and probably Canada as well) the
clerk would answer "no" indicating that they don't have the item or "yes",
indicating that they do have it in stock. In Japan if you asked a clerk,
whose first language is Japanese but speaks English, that question he would
respond "yes" meaning "yes I DON'T have the item - a literal and correct
response to a negative question.
G
George E. Cawthon
Double negative for emphasis are common in EnglishBurt said:
also. We are just a few hundred years late,
unless one is uneducated and then anything goes.
B
Burt
George E. Cawthon said:
George - are you making reference to the "I ain't got no..." sort of phrase?
As you suggesst, uneducated at best. I'm not sure what double negative you
are thinking about that is in common use for emphasis. The German example I
mentioned is correct grammer and not idiomatic or regional German. The
Japanese/English example displays the Japanese respondant's understanding of
English grammer that is gramatically correct, although the questioner
expects the opposite answer which violates the rule about double negatives.
G
George E. Cawthon
Burt said:
The comment I made (twisted for emphasis) is that
double negatives were common and commonly accepted
in English but that was at least 300 years ago.
Not common now, that is why I said we are late.
Not limited to the "ain't got no" phrase you gave.
Note also that "ain't" was at one time the
preferred polite form.
I take exception to your conclusion on the
Japanese/American example. The, "you don't -----,
do you?" question is certainly commonly heard in
American English. Americans are often confused
about how to answer the question. The proof is
that a stranger asks this type of question of a
group of 5-6 people, one person answers, the
stranger walks away, and then a debate begins in
the group about whether the answering person gave
the correct answer even though everyone in the
group is aware of the facts. The only correct
response is "What do you mean?" because there is
no correct answer since the questions asks a
negative and a positive at the same time.
I have been in literally hundreds of debates on
whether the answer to such a question should have
been yes or no.
Z
zakezuke
George E. Cawthon wrote:
The, "you don't -----,
Question: You do not, do you? [You do not? You do?]
Answer one: I do not.
Answer two: I do.
Example.
You do not have any aardvarks, do you?
1: I do not (have any aadvarks)
2: I do (have any aardvarks)
It's not a double negative but rather a question whether you do or do
not have, to be clear, we can add -or-
Example: You do not know, or do you? [Do you not know, or do you
know].
You see you can't answer yes or no to an -or- type question.
Example: Would you like soup or salad? [You do soup, do you salad?]
The, "you don't -----,
Question: You do not, do you? [You do not? You do?]
Answer one: I do not.
Answer two: I do.
Example.
You do not have any aardvarks, do you?
1: I do not (have any aadvarks)
2: I do (have any aardvarks)
It's not a double negative but rather a question whether you do or do
not have, to be clear, we can add -or-
Example: You do not know, or do you? [Do you not know, or do you
know].
You see you can't answer yes or no to an -or- type question.
Example: Would you like soup or salad? [You do soup, do you salad?]
A
Arthur Entlich
The exception would be with some languages other than English where
double
Probably the non-literal translation would be "I have not any money",
(or, I don't have any money) which we would probably understand meant he
had no money.
I must have Japanese roots, because I tend to answer the same way they
would. When people ask me "Do you mind if I move this chair", I usually
say "No", which gives them pause. I now tend to say "No, please move
it", or "NO, i don't mind". Many people tend to say, "yes, go right ahead".
Art
double
Probably the non-literal translation would be "I have not any money",
(or, I don't have any money) which we would probably understand meant he
had no money.
I must have Japanese roots, because I tend to answer the same way they
would. When people ask me "Do you mind if I move this chair", I usually
say "No", which gives them pause. I now tend to say "No, please move
it", or "NO, i don't mind". Many people tend to say, "yes, go right ahead".
Art
A
Arthur Entlich
zakezuke wrote:
Yes?
;-)
Art
Yes?
;-)
Art
Z
zakezuke
Arthur said:
"mind" as a verb is an odd one.
Question: Would you "think about it" if I moved the chair
[would you *even care* if I moved the chair]
Answer 1: "I would not "think about it"
[I would "not even care"]
Answer 2: "I'd would *think about it* and *think* it's a bad idea.
[I would *care*, my feelings would be negative]
Answer 3: "I would *think about it* and *think* it's a good idea
[I would *care*, my feelings would be most positive].
Alternative -
Would you yell if I moved the chair?
Would you dance for joy if I moved the chair?
Would you give a shit if I moved the chair?
Would you shit bricks if I moved the chair?
M
me
In message said:
To which the answer could quite easily be yes or no.
Yes - I would like one or the other
Yes - I would like both
No - I would like neither soup nor salad.
Or a quiz show type question:
Q: Is Jupiter or Saturn the biggest planet in the solar system?
A: Yes (one of them is the biggest planet in the solar system)