NIC Replacement in Windows 2000?

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Yes, you can. To display hidden devices, non-Plug and Play devices, and
devices not attached to the computer (commonly known as "ghosted" or
"phantom" devices) From a command prompt;

set DEVMGR_SHOW_NONPRESENT_DEVICES=1

then also from the command prompt;
start devmgmt.msc

Then, use Device Manager to remove or reconfigure these devices. Do not edit
the registry.

--
Regards,

Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect

:
| So do you recommend the removal of Hidden Devices in DevMgr after
| uninstalling and unplugging the card?
 
I'd tried this via View.Show Hidden Devices. Is this not the same thing?

When I did so, nonetheless, all I saw was the NIC, and the following:
Direct Parallel
WAN Miniport (IP)
WAN Miniport (L2TP)
WAN Miniport (PPTP)

I had previously used DM to remove/uninstall the previous NIC but still had
absolutely no satisfaction with any of the methods to that point. When I
changed the slot the new NIC was in, it was now called the same with "#2"
appended at the end, and refused to allow me to assign the original IP
address, saying that it was in use by the old NIC that I thought Windows had
uninstalled.

When I uninstalled the new NIC and replaced the old one, it popped up
despite being a Pre-PnP card and took on the original IP immediately, as
well as the other settings I'd uninstalled and/or removed. It was now more
than evident that settings left over from the previous card, which was in
place when Win 2000 was scratch-installed (and that was the only time a
complete install had been done), were still somewhere and being used despite
my removal of them via conventional means.

I thought to myself at the time, "By this time I could have built the PC
from scratch hardware AND software-wise."

And so I backed up my account settings, messages, etc., uninstalled the old
card, shutdown, plugged in the new NIC, powered-up, and wiped the install,
doing a clean install from relative scratch via the CD.

Without anything beyond the regular I was online in an hour, and happily
downloading updates through a 100Mb/s card in much less time than I'd spent
trying to troubleshoot the problem before.

The 3c509 Combo was around well before PnP was - and it was a major item in
configurations for some time. Perhaps non-PnP cards such as this are more
difficult to absolutely remove, as opposed to PnP-compliant ones. Of course
I have no validation of such an idea beyond my experience here.
Unfortunately I have to upgrade the NIC in the other PC here - and hope it's
better-behaved than my own.

By theory though, it should be as simple as:

1. Network & Dial-up Connections:
Uninstall TCP/IP as protocol from Connectoid;
2. Device Manager:
Uninstall the old NIC;
3. Device Manager (View Hidden):
Check for other NIC signatures and remove?
4. Shutdown
5. Install new NIC (probably in different slot than old NIC?);
6. Boot and startup;
7. Point to drivers when Add New Hardware wizard runs;
8. Install TCP/IP and assign IP values;
9. Restart.

Right? Thanks.


Dave Patrick said:
Yes, you can. To display hidden devices, non-Plug and Play devices, and
devices not attached to the computer (commonly known as "ghosted" or
"phantom" devices) From a command prompt;

set DEVMGR_SHOW_NONPRESENT_DEVICES=1

then also from the command prompt;
start devmgmt.msc

Then, use Device Manager to remove or reconfigure these devices. Do not edit
the registry.

--
Regards,

Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect

:
| So do you recommend the removal of Hidden Devices in DevMgr after
| uninstalling and unplugging the card?
Click to expand...
 
Aha, I put the two SET and START commands in a batch file for the 2nd
machine, which, being my wife's (or rather not being mine) has not been the
subject of multiple experiments in the past. When the TCP/IP and old NIC
were uninstalled, and the NIC replaced, upon startup Windows persisted in
labelling the card "#2" despite no other NIC being present. I did the batch
file and chose View Hidden Devices and lo! There was a shadow NIC with the
original name. I uninstalled IT and restarted, funnily enough TCP/IP was
re-added to the new connectoid without my asking it to -- and after IP setup
and another reboot, all was well.

We've got two copies of XP coming next week. No, I'm not thinking of
touching SP2 with a ten-foot cattle prod as yet. :)

S.P. Goodman said:
I'd tried this via View.Show Hidden Devices. Is this not the same thing?

When I did so, nonetheless, all I saw was the NIC, and the following:
Direct Parallel
WAN Miniport (IP)
WAN Miniport (L2TP)
WAN Miniport (PPTP)

I had previously used DM to remove/uninstall the previous NIC but still had
absolutely no satisfaction with any of the methods to that point. When I
changed the slot the new NIC was in, it was now called the same with "#2"
appended at the end, and refused to allow me to assign the original IP
address, saying that it was in use by the old NIC that I thought Windows had
uninstalled.

When I uninstalled the new NIC and replaced the old one, it popped up
despite being a Pre-PnP card and took on the original IP immediately, as
well as the other settings I'd uninstalled and/or removed. It was now more
than evident that settings left over from the previous card, which was in
place when Win 2000 was scratch-installed (and that was the only time a
complete install had been done), were still somewhere and being used despite
my removal of them via conventional means.

I thought to myself at the time, "By this time I could have built the PC
from scratch hardware AND software-wise."

And so I backed up my account settings, messages, etc., uninstalled the old
card, shutdown, plugged in the new NIC, powered-up, and wiped the install,
doing a clean install from relative scratch via the CD.

Without anything beyond the regular I was online in an hour, and happily
downloading updates through a 100Mb/s card in much less time than I'd spent
trying to troubleshoot the problem before.

The 3c509 Combo was around well before PnP was - and it was a major item in
configurations for some time. Perhaps non-PnP cards such as this are more
difficult to absolutely remove, as opposed to PnP-compliant ones. Of course
I have no validation of such an idea beyond my experience here.
Unfortunately I have to upgrade the NIC in the other PC here - and hope it's
better-behaved than my own.

By theory though, it should be as simple as:

1. Network & Dial-up Connections:
Uninstall TCP/IP as protocol from Connectoid;
2. Device Manager:
Uninstall the old NIC;
3. Device Manager (View Hidden):
Check for other NIC signatures and remove?
4. Shutdown
5. Install new NIC (probably in different slot than old NIC?);
6. Boot and startup;
7. Point to drivers when Add New Hardware wizard runs;
8. Install TCP/IP and assign IP values;
9. Restart.

Right? Thanks.


Dave Patrick said:
Yes, you can. To display hidden devices, non-Plug and Play devices, and
devices not attached to the computer (commonly known as "ghosted" or
"phantom" devices) From a command prompt;

set DEVMGR_SHOW_NONPRESENT_DEVICES=1

then also from the command prompt;
start devmgmt.msc

Then, use Device Manager to remove or reconfigure these devices. Do not edit
the registry.

--
Regards,

Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect

:
| So do you recommend the removal of Hidden Devices in DevMgr after
| uninstalling and unplugging the card?
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
S.P. Goodman said:
Aha, I put the two SET and START commands in a batch file for the 2nd
machine, which, being my wife's (or rather not being mine) has not been the
subject of multiple experiments in the past. When the TCP/IP and old NIC
were uninstalled, and the NIC replaced, upon startup Windows persisted in
labelling the card "#2" despite no other NIC being present. I did the batch
file and chose View Hidden Devices and lo! There was a shadow NIC with the
original name. I uninstalled IT and restarted, funnily enough TCP/IP was
re-added to the new connectoid without my asking it to -- and after IP setup
and another reboot, all was well.
Click to expand...

Hence my earlier comment about PnP. Sometimes it "works",
or rather half works, even when it's not supposed to. And
what's worse is that it will use previously stored configuration
info, which may or may not be correct.

Rick
We've got two copies of XP coming next week. No, I'm not thinking of
touching SP2 with a ten-foot cattle prod as yet. :)

S.P. Goodman said:
I'd tried this via View.Show Hidden Devices. Is this not the same thing?

When I did so, nonetheless, all I saw was the NIC, and the following:
Direct Parallel
WAN Miniport (IP)
WAN Miniport (L2TP)
WAN Miniport (PPTP)

I had previously used DM to remove/uninstall the previous NIC but still had
absolutely no satisfaction with any of the methods to that point. When I
changed the slot the new NIC was in, it was now called the same with "#2"
appended at the end, and refused to allow me to assign the original IP
address, saying that it was in use by the old NIC that I thought Windows had
uninstalled.

When I uninstalled the new NIC and replaced the old one, it popped up
despite being a Pre-PnP card and took on the original IP immediately, as
well as the other settings I'd uninstalled and/or removed. It was now more
than evident that settings left over from the previous card, which was in
place when Win 2000 was scratch-installed (and that was the only time a
complete install had been done), were still somewhere and being used despite
my removal of them via conventional means.

I thought to myself at the time, "By this time I could have built the PC
from scratch hardware AND software-wise."

And so I backed up my account settings, messages, etc., uninstalled the old
card, shutdown, plugged in the new NIC, powered-up, and wiped the install,
doing a clean install from relative scratch via the CD.

Without anything beyond the regular I was online in an hour, and happily
downloading updates through a 100Mb/s card in much less time than I'd spent
trying to troubleshoot the problem before.

The 3c509 Combo was around well before PnP was - and it was a major item in
configurations for some time. Perhaps non-PnP cards such as this are more
difficult to absolutely remove, as opposed to PnP-compliant ones. Of course
I have no validation of such an idea beyond my experience here.
Unfortunately I have to upgrade the NIC in the other PC here - and hope it's
better-behaved than my own.

By theory though, it should be as simple as:

1. Network & Dial-up Connections:
Uninstall TCP/IP as protocol from Connectoid;
2. Device Manager:
Uninstall the old NIC;
3. Device Manager (View Hidden):
Check for other NIC signatures and remove?
4. Shutdown
5. Install new NIC (probably in different slot than old NIC?);
6. Boot and startup;
7. Point to drivers when Add New Hardware wizard runs;
8. Install TCP/IP and assign IP values;
9. Restart.

Right? Thanks.


Dave Patrick said:
Yes, you can. To display hidden devices, non-Plug and Play devices, and
devices not attached to the computer (commonly known as "ghosted" or
"phantom" devices) From a command prompt;

set DEVMGR_SHOW_NONPRESENT_DEVICES=1

then also from the command prompt;
start devmgmt.msc

Then, use Device Manager to remove or reconfigure these devices. Do not edit
the registry.

--
Regards,

Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect

:
| So do you recommend the removal of Hidden Devices in DevMgr after
| uninstalling and unplugging the card?
Click to expand...
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