NIC Replacement in Windows 2000?

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S.P. Goodman

Greetings,

I recently got a pair of new 3Com 3C905CX-TX-M NICs to upgrade a pair of old
3C59X Ethernet III PCI adapters - so to not only get better device support
(the 3c59x's are nearly 10 years old and the drivers show it) but also use
ADSL with 100Mbs instead of 10Mbs. The 3c590 Combo's were the NICs
installed when Windows 2000 was installed.

1. I uninstalled TCP/IP and uninstalled the card via Add-Remove Hardware;
the Device Manager showed this to be uninstalled and ready to remove.

2. I Shut Down and removed the card, then booted up to make sure there were
no lingering residuals left over from the card. I ran 3Com's
"Pre-installation" program and shut down again.

3. I installed the 3c905cx-tx-m, and booted up. Windows 2000 recognized
the card immediately and as I had downloaded 3Com's latest drivers for the
it, I was able to install them easily.

4. Diagnostics for the NIC show that all is functioning correctly. The
ADSL router (Solwise 715x) also shows a 100Mbs connection, as do the LEDs on
the back plane of the NIC.

5. I reinstall TCP/IP and setup the static IP, gateway, and DNS entries,
and they're accepted. No network connection results, though, according to
Windows. Can't PING the router (192.168.7.1) or anything outside the
machine.

6. After tearing my hair out I uninstall TCP/IP and subsequently the NIC,
and replace it with the other 3C905CX-TX-M NIC. Same non-results.

7. I uninstall TCP/IP and the 2nd new NIC and restart, shut down, replace
old NIC (3c590 Combo).

8. Restarting machine, reinstall TCP/IP and the settings are already there,
despite my having uninstalled. Everything works fine except that it's the
old card I wanted to replace!

I have an impression that there is something I'm not doing in the process of
removing software that attaches to the card.

What then is the correct sequence for replacing the NIC in Windows 2000?
Thanks.
 
Don't uninstall any networking services and or protocols. Only uninstall the
hardware from Device Manager, shutdown, install new hardware, then at
startup when the new hardware is detected choose 'Have Disk' and point to
the newly downloaded driver location.

--
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Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect

:
| Greetings,
|
| I recently got a pair of new 3Com 3C905CX-TX-M NICs to upgrade a pair of
old
| 3C59X Ethernet III PCI adapters - so to not only get better device support
| (the 3c59x's are nearly 10 years old and the drivers show it) but also use
| ADSL with 100Mbs instead of 10Mbs. The 3c590 Combo's were the NICs
| installed when Windows 2000 was installed.
|
| 1. I uninstalled TCP/IP and uninstalled the card via Add-Remove Hardware;
| the Device Manager showed this to be uninstalled and ready to remove.
|
| 2. I Shut Down and removed the card, then booted up to make sure there
were
| no lingering residuals left over from the card. I ran 3Com's
| "Pre-installation" program and shut down again.
|
| 3. I installed the 3c905cx-tx-m, and booted up. Windows 2000 recognized
| the card immediately and as I had downloaded 3Com's latest drivers for the
| it, I was able to install them easily.
|
| 4. Diagnostics for the NIC show that all is functioning correctly. The
| ADSL router (Solwise 715x) also shows a 100Mbs connection, as do the LEDs
on
| the back plane of the NIC.
|
| 5. I reinstall TCP/IP and setup the static IP, gateway, and DNS entries,
| and they're accepted. No network connection results, though, according to
| Windows. Can't PING the router (192.168.7.1) or anything outside the
| machine.
|
| 6. After tearing my hair out I uninstall TCP/IP and subsequently the NIC,
| and replace it with the other 3C905CX-TX-M NIC. Same non-results.
|
| 7. I uninstall TCP/IP and the 2nd new NIC and restart, shut down, replace
| old NIC (3c590 Combo).
|
| 8. Restarting machine, reinstall TCP/IP and the settings are already
there,
| despite my having uninstalled. Everything works fine except that it's the
| old card I wanted to replace!
|
| I have an impression that there is something I'm not doing in the process
of
| removing software that attaches to the card.
|
| What then is the correct sequence for replacing the NIC in Windows 2000?
| Thanks.
|
|
| --
| Stephen Goodman
| *
| * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff
| * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack
|
|
|
 
Hi Dave,

That's what I tried BEFORE I did the below routines. I had thought that it
would be sufficient to uninstall the card, remove it, and put the new one
in, then make sure all client/protocol stuff had re-bound themselves to the
new card. I have the impression that there is some residual ID and/or
setting for the card that remains after the uninstallation - and that blocks
the proper resolution of DNS for instance.

Dave Patrick said:
Don't uninstall any networking services and or protocols. Only uninstall the
hardware from Device Manager, shutdown, install new hardware, then at
startup when the new hardware is detected choose 'Have Disk' and point to
the newly downloaded driver location.

--
Regards,

Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect

:
| Greetings,
|
| I recently got a pair of new 3Com 3C905CX-TX-M NICs to upgrade a pair of
old
| 3C59X Ethernet III PCI adapters - so to not only get better device support
| (the 3c59x's are nearly 10 years old and the drivers show it) but also use
| ADSL with 100Mbs instead of 10Mbs. The 3c590 Combo's were the NICs
| installed when Windows 2000 was installed.
|
| 1. I uninstalled TCP/IP and uninstalled the card via Add-Remove Hardware;
| the Device Manager showed this to be uninstalled and ready to remove.
|
| 2. I Shut Down and removed the card, then booted up to make sure there
were
| no lingering residuals left over from the card. I ran 3Com's
| "Pre-installation" program and shut down again.
|
| 3. I installed the 3c905cx-tx-m, and booted up. Windows 2000 recognized
| the card immediately and as I had downloaded 3Com's latest drivers for the
| it, I was able to install them easily.
|
| 4. Diagnostics for the NIC show that all is functioning correctly. The
| ADSL router (Solwise 715x) also shows a 100Mbs connection, as do the LEDs
on
| the back plane of the NIC.
|
| 5. I reinstall TCP/IP and setup the static IP, gateway, and DNS entries,
| and they're accepted. No network connection results, though, according to
| Windows. Can't PING the router (192.168.7.1) or anything outside the
| machine.
|
| 6. After tearing my hair out I uninstall TCP/IP and subsequently the NIC,
| and replace it with the other 3C905CX-TX-M NIC. Same non-results.
|
| 7. I uninstall TCP/IP and the 2nd new NIC and restart, shut down, replace
| old NIC (3c590 Combo).
|
| 8. Restarting machine, reinstall TCP/IP and the settings are already
there,
| despite my having uninstalled. Everything works fine except that it's the
| old card I wanted to replace!
|
| I have an impression that there is something I'm not doing in the process
of
| removing software that attaches to the card.
|
| What then is the correct sequence for replacing the NIC in Windows 2000?
| Thanks.
|
|
| --
| Stephen Goodman
| *
| * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff
| * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack
|
|
|
Click to expand...
 
From a command prompt;
ipconfig /all
is everything correct and as it was before?

--
Regards,

Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect

:
| Hi Dave,
|
| That's what I tried BEFORE I did the below routines. I had thought that
it
| would be sufficient to uninstall the card, remove it, and put the new one
| in, then make sure all client/protocol stuff had re-bound themselves to
the
| new card. I have the impression that there is some residual ID and/or
| setting for the card that remains after the uninstallation - and that
blocks
| the proper resolution of DNS for instance.
 
Yep, it just won't ping anything outside the box. And no, I'm not using
more than one identity.
 
What does Device Manager have to say about it? Any Event Viewer errors?
Sounds like corrupt and or incorrect driver.

--
Regards,

Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect

:
| Yep, it just won't ping anything outside the box. And no, I'm not using
| more than one identity.
 
Having cleared events out after finishing up with this in anticipation of
starting all over again after getting advice I can't tell you beyond an
absence of driver errors - mostly DNS-related failures (dns browser errors
that I'll have to no doubt recreate).

I should mention that first I downloaded the driver set for the 3C905CX-TX-M
from 3Com's site; and I got the same non-results with a second identical
card.
 
Stephen,
Appears your reply to this thread level was deleted so I never saw your
reply only the deleted header.

--
Regards,

Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect
 
Having cleared events out after finishing up with this in anticipation of
starting all over again after getting advice I can't tell you beyond an
absence of driver errors - mostly DNS-related failures (dns browser errors
that I'll have to no doubt recreate).

I should mention that first I downloaded the driver set for the 3C905CX-TX-M
from 3Com's site; and I got the same non-results with a second identical
card.
 
In Device Manager, click on View and select Show hidden devices.
One of your hidden devices should be (3C905-TX) #1, 2, 3, etc.
Right click and Uninstall them all, one by one. If prompted for a
reboot between uninstalls, ignore the prompt.

After all entries have been removed, shut down, pull both nics and
restart. Check for and uninstall any remaining nic entries in Device
Manger. Shut down again, and install/configure the two nics, one
at a time.

Rick

S.P. Goodman said:
Having cleared events out after finishing up with this in anticipation of
starting all over again after getting advice I can't tell you beyond an
absence of driver errors - mostly DNS-related failures (dns browser errors
that I'll have to no doubt recreate).

I should mention that first I downloaded the driver set for the 3C905CX-TX-M
from 3Com's site; and I got the same non-results with a second identical
card.

Dave Patrick said:
What does Device Manager have to say about it? Any Event Viewer errors?
Sounds like corrupt and or incorrect driver.

--
Regards,

Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect

:
| Yep, it just won't ping anything outside the box. And no, I'm not using
| more than one identity.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
You didn't mention what Device Manager has to say about it but you might try
downloading the driver again. Failing that you may need to submit a service
request. http://emea.3com.com/support/help/warranty_in.html

--
Regards,

Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect

:
| Having cleared events out after finishing up with this in anticipation of
| starting all over again after getting advice I can't tell you beyond an
| absence of driver errors - mostly DNS-related failures (dns browser errors
| that I'll have to no doubt recreate).
|
| I should mention that first I downloaded the driver set for the
3C905CX-TX-M
| from 3Com's site; and I got the same non-results with a second identical
| card.
 
Hi Rick,

Having already removed the new card and replaced the old one - thus my
presence here! - I will tell you that there don't seem to be any residuals
as described below in Device Manager, with Show Hidden Devices set. (Note:
While I have two new NICs they're replacing two old ones in two separate
machines.)

Shall I go through the routine after uninstalling the old one, prior to
installing the new one? Thx.

Rick said:
In Device Manager, click on View and select Show hidden devices.
One of your hidden devices should be (3C905-TX) #1, 2, 3, etc.
Right click and Uninstall them all, one by one. If prompted for a
reboot between uninstalls, ignore the prompt.

After all entries have been removed, shut down, pull both nics and
restart. Check for and uninstall any remaining nic entries in Device
Manger. Shut down again, and install/configure the two nics, one
at a time.

Rick

Having cleared events out after finishing up with this in anticipation of
starting all over again after getting advice I can't tell you beyond an
absence of driver errors - mostly DNS-related failures (dns browser errors
that I'll have to no doubt recreate).

I should mention that first I downloaded the driver set for the 3C905CX-TX-M
from 3Com's site; and I got the same non-results with a second identical
card.

Dave Patrick said:
What does Device Manager have to say about it? Any Event Viewer errors?
Sounds like corrupt and or incorrect driver.

--
Regards,

Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect

:
| Yep, it just won't ping anything outside the box. And no, I'm not using
| more than one identity.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
During the period the card was in the PC there was no indicator that the
card/drivers/etc were having a problem in Device Mgr. - but then I hadn't
checked View Hidden Devices. Other than the inability to get outside the
machine, everything seemed fine.
 
S.P. Goodman said:
Hi Rick,

Having already removed the new card and replaced the old one - thus my
presence here! - I will tell you that there don't seem to be any residuals
as described below in Device Manager, with Show Hidden Devices set. (Note:
While I have two new NICs they're replacing two old ones in two separate
machines.)

Shall I go through the routine after uninstalling the old one, prior to
installing the new one? Thx.
Click to expand...

Yes. From the symptoms you're having it sounds like a
problem with PnP. Windows retains these (in your case
incorrect) configuration settings even though the 3C509
hardware is no longer present in your system. You'll need
to go through the uninstall routine outlined below (or
manually edit the registry and remove the entries for the
3C509's in HKLM\Ssystem\CurrentControlSet\Enum).
I've even seen cases where simply booting in Safe Mode
causes otherwise invisible nic entries in Device Manager
to appear.

Rick
Rick said:
In Device Manager, click on View and select Show hidden devices.
One of your hidden devices should be (3C905-TX) #1, 2, 3, etc.
Right click and Uninstall them all, one by one. If prompted for a
reboot between uninstalls, ignore the prompt.

After all entries have been removed, shut down, pull both nics and
restart. Check for and uninstall any remaining nic entries in Device
Manger. Shut down again, and install/configure the two nics, one
at a time.

Rick

Having cleared events out after finishing up with this in anticipation of
starting all over again after getting advice I can't tell you beyond an
absence of driver errors - mostly DNS-related failures (dns browser errors
that I'll have to no doubt recreate).

I should mention that first I downloaded the driver set for the 3C905CX-TX-M
from 3Com's site; and I got the same non-results with a second identical
card.

What does Device Manager have to say about it? Any Event Viewer errors?
Sounds like corrupt and or incorrect driver.

--
Regards,

Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect

:
| Yep, it just won't ping anything outside the box. And no, I'm not using
| more than one identity.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
Rick said:
Yes. From the symptoms you're having it sounds like a
problem with PnP. Windows retains these (in your case
incorrect) configuration settings even though the 3C509
hardware is no longer present in your system. You'll need
to go through the uninstall routine outlined below (or
manually edit the registry and remove the entries for the
3C509's in HKLM\Ssystem\CurrentControlSet\Enum).
I've even seen cases where simply booting in Safe Mode
causes otherwise invisible nic entries in Device Manager
to appear.
Click to expand...

Aha, I thought it was something like this but didn't know how deep it went.
The 3C509 Combo is PPnP (Pre-Plug-n-Pray), and was in the machine when Win2k
was initially clean-installed.

I've found a thread on this ng via Google from 2003 regarding "Nic
Properties Not setting", involving the complete removal of TCP/IP from Win2k
(auth: Jack Xu), including the following registry entries to remove. I've
noted which ones are not present in this currently working setup with an
(x). In my going through the registry I've also found two separate
CurrentControlSet branches (1 and 2) that would indicate the duality of
having a ghost NIC trying to cohabitate with a newly-installed one; and
three IDs which may correlate to the three NICs that have been in this
machine in the past 48 hours.

HKLM\Software\Microsoft:
DhcpMibAgent (x)
DhcpServer (x)
FTPSVC (x)
LDPSVC (x)
NetBT (x)
RFC1156Agent
SNMP (x)
SimpTcp (x)
Tcpip
TcpipCU (x)
TcpPrint (x)
Wins (x)
WinsMibAgent (x)

HKLM\SYSTEM\CCS\Services:
DHCP
DhcpServer (x)
FTPSVC (x)
Lmhosts (x)
LPDSVC (x)
NetBT
SimpTcp (x)
SNMP
Tcpip
Wins (x)
WinSock
WinSock2
EL59X

It's also noted that in event of difficulty the following may be removed as
well:

HKLM\SYSTEM\CCS\Enum\Root:
Legacy_DHCP
Legacy_Lmhosts
Legacy_LPDSVC (x)
Legacy_NetBT
Legacy_TCPIP

HKLM\SYSTEM\CCS\Services:
LanManServer\Linkage\Bind
LamManWorkStation\Linkage\Bind

Would the above then be my laundry list for gutting the card's presence on
this PC, before installing the new one? Thanks for the ongoing help.
Rick said:
In Device Manager, click on View and select Show hidden devices.
One of your hidden devices should be (3C905-TX) #1, 2, 3, etc.
Right click and Uninstall them all, one by one. If prompted for a
reboot between uninstalls, ignore the prompt.

After all entries have been removed, shut down, pull both nics and
restart. Check for and uninstall any remaining nic entries in Device
Manger. Shut down again, and install/configure the two nics, one
at a time.

Rick

Having cleared events out after finishing up with this in
Click to expand...
anticipation
of
starting all over again after getting advice I can't tell you beyond an
absence of driver errors - mostly DNS-related failures (dns browser errors
that I'll have to no doubt recreate).

I should mention that first I downloaded the driver set for the 3C905CX-TX-M
from 3Com's site; and I got the same non-results with a second identical
card.

What does Device Manager have to say about it? Any Event Viewer errors?
Sounds like corrupt and or incorrect driver.

--
Regards,

Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect

:
| Yep, it just won't ping anything outside the box. And no, I'm
Click to expand...
not
using
| more than one identity.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
Sounds like you're on the road to destroying the operating system.

Looking in;
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\Select
you'll find the D_Word values for
"Current"=dword:00000001
"Default"=dword:00000001
"Failed"=dword:00000000
"LastKnownGood"=dword:00000002

CurrentControlSet is volatile and will always be an image (at boot) of
what's defined in ControlSetx where x = the value of "Current"

Choosing last known good boots the system with the control set that last
successfully booted your system. Control sets contain system configuration
information such as device drivers and services.

How to Remove and Reinstall TCP/IP for Windows 2000 (Q285034)
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=285034


--
Regards,

Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect

:
| Aha, I thought it was something like this but didn't know how deep it
went.
| The 3C509 Combo is PPnP (Pre-Plug-n-Pray), and was in the machine when
Win2k
| was initially clean-installed.
|
| I've found a thread on this ng via Google from 2003 regarding "Nic
| Properties Not setting", involving the complete removal of TCP/IP from
Win2k
| (auth: Jack Xu), including the following registry entries to remove. I've
| noted which ones are not present in this currently working setup with an
| (x). In my going through the registry I've also found two separate
| CurrentControlSet branches (1 and 2) that would indicate the duality of
| having a ghost NIC trying to cohabitate with a newly-installed one; and
| three IDs which may correlate to the three NICs that have been in this
| machine in the past 48 hours.
|
| HKLM\Software\Microsoft:
| DhcpMibAgent (x)
| DhcpServer (x)
| FTPSVC (x)
| LDPSVC (x)
| NetBT (x)
| RFC1156Agent
| SNMP (x)
| SimpTcp (x)
| Tcpip
| TcpipCU (x)
| TcpPrint (x)
| Wins (x)
| WinsMibAgent (x)
|
| HKLM\SYSTEM\CCS\Services:
| DHCP
| DhcpServer (x)
| FTPSVC (x)
| Lmhosts (x)
| LPDSVC (x)
| NetBT
| SimpTcp (x)
| SNMP
| Tcpip
| Wins (x)
| WinSock
| WinSock2
| EL59X
|
| It's also noted that in event of difficulty the following may be removed
as
| well:
|
| HKLM\SYSTEM\CCS\Enum\Root:
| Legacy_DHCP
| Legacy_Lmhosts
| Legacy_LPDSVC (x)
| Legacy_NetBT
| Legacy_TCPIP
|
| HKLM\SYSTEM\CCS\Services:
| LanManServer\Linkage\Bind
| LamManWorkStation\Linkage\Bind
|
| Would the above then be my laundry list for gutting the card's presence on
| this PC, before installing the new one? Thanks for the ongoing help.
|
| > > | > > > In Device Manager, click on View and select Show hidden devices.
| > > > One of your hidden devices should be (3C905-TX) #1, 2, 3, etc.
| > > > Right click and Uninstall them all, one by one. If prompted for a
| > > > reboot between uninstalls, ignore the prompt.
| > > >
| > > > After all entries have been removed, shut down, pull both nics and
| > > > restart. Check for and uninstall any remaining nic entries in
Device
| > > > Manger. Shut down again, and install/configure the two nics, one
| > > > at a time.
| > > >
| > > > Rick
| > > >
| > > | > > > > Having cleared events out after finishing up with this in
| anticipation
| > > of
| > > > > starting all over again after getting advice I can't tell you
beyond
| an
| > > > > absence of driver errors - mostly DNS-related failures (dns
browser
| > > errors
| > > > > that I'll have to no doubt recreate).
| > > > >
| > > > > I should mention that first I downloaded the driver set for the
| > > 3C905CX-TX-M
| > > > > from 3Com's site; and I got the same non-results with a second
| identical
| > > > > card.
| > > > >
| > > > > | > > > > > What does Device Manager have to say about it? Any Event Viewer
| > > errors?
| > > > > > Sounds like corrupt and or incorrect driver.
| > > > > >
| > > > > > --
| > > > > > Regards,
| > > > > >
| > > > > > Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
| > > > > > Microsoft Certified Professional
| > > > > > Microsoft MVP [Windows]
| > > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/protect
| > > > > >
| > > > > > "S.P. Goodman" wrote:
| > > > > > | Yep, it just won't ping anything outside the box. And no, I'm
| not
| > > using
| > > > > > | more than one identity.
| > > > > >
| > > > > >
| > > > >
| > > > >
| > > >
| > > >
| > >
| > >
| >
| >
|
|
 
Dave Patrick said:
Sounds like you're on the road to destroying the operating system.
Click to expand...

Only if I were to delete the entire CCSx area I suspect. What about the
others?
Looking in;
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\Select
you'll find the D_Word values for
"Current"=dword:00000001
"Default"=dword:00000001
"Failed"=dword:00000000
"LastKnownGood"=dword:00000002
Click to expand...

That's what's there all right. I didn't mention the Select key in my post
though my side question on CCS had to do with the presence of
CurrentControlSet1 and CurrentControlSet2 keys so I guess this is answered
by something like "This is used to restore previous boot configurations"?
CurrentControlSet is volatile and will always be an image (at boot) of
what's defined in ControlSetx where x = the value of "Current"

Choosing last known good boots the system with the control set that last
successfully booted your system. Control sets contain system configuration
information such as device drivers and services.

How to Remove and Reinstall TCP/IP for Windows 2000 (Q285034)
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=285034


--
Regards,

Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect

:
| Aha, I thought it was something like this but didn't know how deep it
went.
| The 3C509 Combo is PPnP (Pre-Plug-n-Pray), and was in the machine when
Win2k
| was initially clean-installed.
|
| I've found a thread on this ng via Google from 2003 regarding "Nic
| Properties Not setting", involving the complete removal of TCP/IP from
Win2k
| (auth: Jack Xu), including the following registry entries to remove. I've
| noted which ones are not present in this currently working setup with an
| (x). In my going through the registry I've also found two separate
| CurrentControlSet branches (1 and 2) that would indicate the duality of
| having a ghost NIC trying to cohabitate with a newly-installed one; and
| three IDs which may correlate to the three NICs that have been in this
| machine in the past 48 hours.
|
| HKLM\Software\Microsoft:
| DhcpMibAgent (x)
| DhcpServer (x)
| FTPSVC (x)
| LDPSVC (x)
| NetBT (x)
| RFC1156Agent
| SNMP (x)
| SimpTcp (x)
| Tcpip
| TcpipCU (x)
| TcpPrint (x)
| Wins (x)
| WinsMibAgent (x)
|
| HKLM\SYSTEM\CCS\Services:
| DHCP
| DhcpServer (x)
| FTPSVC (x)
| Lmhosts (x)
| LPDSVC (x)
| NetBT
| SimpTcp (x)
| SNMP
| Tcpip
| Wins (x)
| WinSock
| WinSock2
| EL59X
|
| It's also noted that in event of difficulty the following may be removed
as
| well:
|
| HKLM\SYSTEM\CCS\Enum\Root:
| Legacy_DHCP
| Legacy_Lmhosts
| Legacy_LPDSVC (x)
| Legacy_NetBT
| Legacy_TCPIP
|
| HKLM\SYSTEM\CCS\Services:
| LanManServer\Linkage\Bind
| LamManWorkStation\Linkage\Bind
|
| Would the above then be my laundry list for gutting the card's presence on
| this PC, before installing the new one? Thanks for the ongoing help.
|
| > > | > > > In Device Manager, click on View and select Show hidden devices.
| > > > One of your hidden devices should be (3C905-TX) #1, 2, 3, etc.
| > > > Right click and Uninstall them all, one by one. If prompted for a
| > > > reboot between uninstalls, ignore the prompt.
| > > >
| > > > After all entries have been removed, shut down, pull both nics and
| > > > restart. Check for and uninstall any remaining nic entries in
Device
| > > > Manger. Shut down again, and install/configure the two nics, one
| > > > at a time.
| > > >
| > > > Rick
| > > >
| > > | > > > > Having cleared events out after finishing up with this in
| anticipation
| > > of
| > > > > starting all over again after getting advice I can't tell you
beyond
| an
| > > > > absence of driver errors - mostly DNS-related failures (dns
browser
| > > errors
| > > > > that I'll have to no doubt recreate).
| > > > >
| > > > > I should mention that first I downloaded the driver set for the
| > > 3C905CX-TX-M
| > > > > from 3Com's site; and I got the same non-results with a second
| identical
| > > > > card.
| > > > >
| > > > > | > > > > > What does Device Manager have to say about it? Any Event Viewer
| > > errors?
| > > > > > Sounds like corrupt and or incorrect driver.
| > > > > >
| > > > > > --
| > > > > > Regards,
| > > > > >
| > > > > > Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
| > > > > > Microsoft Certified Professional
| > > > > > Microsoft MVP [Windows]
| > > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/protect
| > > > > >
| > > > > > "S.P. Goodman" wrote:
| > > > > > | Yep, it just won't ping anything outside the box. And no, I'm
| not
| > > using
| > > > > > | more than one identity.
| > > > > >
| > > > > >
| > > > >
| > > > >
| > > >
| > > >
| > >
| > >
| >
| >
|
|
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No idea really but your issue seems a hardware and or driver problem and not
a registry issue or at least not one that hacking the reg is likely to fix.

--
Regards,

Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect

:
<snip>
What about the
| others?
<snip>
 
It's far safer to use the uninstall routine in Device Manager, and
let Windows do the registry editing.

Just FYI,

ControlSet 1 = Normal boot
ControlSet 2 = Last Known Good boot
CurrentControlSet = maps to either 1 or 2, depending on which
option was used to boot the system. Always modify
CurrentControlSet. Or better yet, follow the previous advice.

Rick

S.P. Goodman said:
Dave Patrick said:
Sounds like you're on the road to destroying the operating system.
Click to expand...

Only if I were to delete the entire CCSx area I suspect. What about the
others?
Looking in;
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\Select
you'll find the D_Word values for
"Current"=dword:00000001
"Default"=dword:00000001
"Failed"=dword:00000000
"LastKnownGood"=dword:00000002
Click to expand...

That's what's there all right. I didn't mention the Select key in my post
though my side question on CCS had to do with the presence of
CurrentControlSet1 and CurrentControlSet2 keys so I guess this is answered
by something like "This is used to restore previous boot configurations"?
CurrentControlSet is volatile and will always be an image (at boot) of
what's defined in ControlSetx where x = the value of "Current"

Choosing last known good boots the system with the control set that last
successfully booted your system. Control sets contain system configuration
information such as device drivers and services.

How to Remove and Reinstall TCP/IP for Windows 2000 (Q285034)
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=285034


--
Regards,

Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect

:
| Aha, I thought it was something like this but didn't know how deep it
went.
| The 3C509 Combo is PPnP (Pre-Plug-n-Pray), and was in the machine when
Win2k
| was initially clean-installed.
|
| I've found a thread on this ng via Google from 2003 regarding "Nic
| Properties Not setting", involving the complete removal of TCP/IP from
Win2k
| (auth: Jack Xu), including the following registry entries to remove. I've
| noted which ones are not present in this currently working setup with an
| (x). In my going through the registry I've also found two separate
| CurrentControlSet branches (1 and 2) that would indicate the duality of
| having a ghost NIC trying to cohabitate with a newly-installed one; and
| three IDs which may correlate to the three NICs that have been in this
| machine in the past 48 hours.
|
| HKLM\Software\Microsoft:
| DhcpMibAgent (x)
| DhcpServer (x)
| FTPSVC (x)
| LDPSVC (x)
| NetBT (x)
| RFC1156Agent
| SNMP (x)
| SimpTcp (x)
| Tcpip
| TcpipCU (x)
| TcpPrint (x)
| Wins (x)
| WinsMibAgent (x)
|
| HKLM\SYSTEM\CCS\Services:
| DHCP
| DhcpServer (x)
| FTPSVC (x)
| Lmhosts (x)
| LPDSVC (x)
| NetBT
| SimpTcp (x)
| SNMP
| Tcpip
| Wins (x)
| WinSock
| WinSock2
| EL59X
|
| It's also noted that in event of difficulty the following may be removed
as
| well:
|
| HKLM\SYSTEM\CCS\Enum\Root:
| Legacy_DHCP
| Legacy_Lmhosts
| Legacy_LPDSVC (x)
| Legacy_NetBT
| Legacy_TCPIP
|
| HKLM\SYSTEM\CCS\Services:
| LanManServer\Linkage\Bind
| LamManWorkStation\Linkage\Bind
|
| Would the above then be my laundry list for gutting the card's presence on
| this PC, before installing the new one? Thanks for the ongoing help.
|
| > > | > > > In Device Manager, click on View and select Show hidden devices.
| > > > One of your hidden devices should be (3C905-TX) #1, 2, 3, etc.
| > > > Right click and Uninstall them all, one by one. If prompted for a
| > > > reboot between uninstalls, ignore the prompt.
| > > >
| > > > After all entries have been removed, shut down, pull both nics and
| > > > restart. Check for and uninstall any remaining nic entries in
Device
| > > > Manger. Shut down again, and install/configure the two nics, one
| > > > at a time.
| > > >
| > > > Rick
| > > >
| > > | > > > > Having cleared events out after finishing up with this in
| anticipation
| > > of
| > > > > starting all over again after getting advice I can't tell you
beyond
| an
| > > > > absence of driver errors - mostly DNS-related failures (dns
browser
| > > errors
| > > > > that I'll have to no doubt recreate).
| > > > >
| > > > > I should mention that first I downloaded the driver set for the
| > > 3C905CX-TX-M
| > > > > from 3Com's site; and I got the same non-results with a second
| identical
| > > > > card.
| > > > >
| > > > > | > > > > > What does Device Manager have to say about it? Any Event Viewer
| > > errors?
| > > > > > Sounds like corrupt and or incorrect driver.
| > > > > >
| > > > > > --
| > > > > > Regards,
| > > > > >
| > > > > > Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
| > > > > > Microsoft Certified Professional
| > > > > > Microsoft MVP [Windows]
| > > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/protect
| > > > > >
| > > > > > "S.P. Goodman" wrote:
| > > > > > | Yep, it just won't ping anything outside the box. And no, I'm
| not
| > > using
| > > > > > | more than one identity.
| > > > > >
| > > > > >
| > > > >
| > > > >
| > > >
| > > >
| > >
| > >
| >
| >
|
|
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So do you recommend the removal of Hidden Devices in DevMgr after
uninstalling and unplugging the card?

S.P. Goodman said:
During the period the card was in the PC there was no indicator that the
card/drivers/etc were having a problem in Device Mgr. - but then I hadn't
checked View Hidden Devices. Other than the inability to get outside the
machine, everything seemed fine.

Dave Patrick said:
You didn't mention what Device Manager has to say about it but you might try
downloading the driver again. Failing that you may need to submit a service
request. http://emea.3com.com/support/help/warranty_in.html

--
Regards,

Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect

:
| Having cleared events out after finishing up with this in anticipation of
| starting all over again after getting advice I can't tell you beyond an
| absence of driver errors - mostly DNS-related failures (dns browser errors
| that I'll have to no doubt recreate).
|
| I should mention that first I downloaded the driver set for the
3C905CX-TX-M
| from 3Com's site; and I got the same non-results with a second identical
| card.
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