News reader?

[Kram]

Because one of the beauties of Xnews is that you can use an external
editor, which I use for spellchecking and the editor I use (EditExt) puts
the cursor at the top, and if replies are trimmed (as mine are) it is not a
problem. Yes, I know Xnews has a nifty little ">" that you can click to
take you to the end of the reply and straight to the next post, but it is a
holdover from OE and hanging out in the Microsoft newsgroups where top
posting is not an issue and where people aren't berated if they post top or
bottom.

 

[Tim Weaver]

Because one of the beauties of Xnews is that you can use an external
editor, which I use for spellchecking and the editor I use (EditExt)
puts the cursor at the top, and if replies are trimmed (as mine are) it
is not a problem. Yes, I know Xnews has a nifty little ">" that you can
click to take you to the end of the reply and straight to the next post,
but it is a holdover from OE and hanging out in the Microsoft newsgroups
where top posting is not an issue and where people aren't berated if
they post top or bottom.

Thanks for the top-post. And, for snipping the attributes.
--
Tim Weaver : ~~~=== Remove "_OMIT_" for e-mail. ===~~~

We can lick gravity, but sometimes the paperwork is overwhelming.

Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft... and the only one
that can be mass produced with unskilled labor.
-Wernher von Braun (1912 - 1977)

 

[DC]

I tried Outlook Express now and found that it does _not_ support this
function.

Quelle surprise.

FTR, neither does Mozilla Messenger. I don't know about Thunderbird,
though -- can someone confirm? I would consider dumping the Moz suite
in favour of Firefox and Thunderbird if this feature is available.

 

[DC]

[...]

Hey, thanks for the coherent explanation, DC.

Gee, sorry about that -- completely out of character for me, I know...

};O)

 

[DC]

Kram wrote:

[...]

holdover from OE and hanging out in the Microsoft newsgroups where top
posting is not an issue and where people aren't berated if they post top or
bottom.

Well, you're not there *now*, are you. You have to adjust your posting
habits to the group you're in. It's polite.

Once again, since you missed it the first time around:

-----> Please bottom post in acf. <-----

 

[DC]

["dszady"; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 06:15:04 GMT]

40tude Dialog v 2.0.10.1 (Beta 33)
http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/PL2004INTERNET.htm#A106

Just DL'd it, and boy am I impressed. But will it sway me from Xnews ...?
XanaNews didn't. (It needs more time to mature.)

The only Xnews users who aren't impressed with Dialog are those who
haven't tried it and/or who haven't bothered to learn just how
powerful Dialog is.

Not true. I just don't feel the need for a bloated 4.3MB client to read
news.

 

[Tiger]

Quelle surprise.

FTR, neither does Mozilla Messenger. I don't know about Thunderbird,
though -- can someone confirm? I would consider dumping the Moz suite
in favour of Firefox and Thunderbird if this feature is available.

Apparently not

Tiger

 

[DC]

DC wrote:

[snip stuff about quoting text for reply]

Apparently not

Bummer. Thanks, Tiger. }:O\

 

[MLC]

giovedì 26/feb/2004 _John Fitzsimons_ ha scritto:

Very nice. Thanks Maria.

Regards, John.

You're welcome )

 

[My Name]

On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 22:02:03 -0600, J44xm

["dszady"; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 06:15:04 GMT]
40tude Dialog v 2.0.10.1 (Beta 33)
http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/PL2004INTERNET.htm#A106
Just DL'd it, and boy am I impressed. But will it sway me
from Xnews ...? XanaNews didn't. (It needs more time to
mature.)

The only Xnews users who aren't impressed with Dialog are
those who haven't tried it and/or who haven't bothered to
learn just how powerful Dialog is.

Not true. I just don't feel the need for a bloated 4.3MB
client to read news.

Not only that, but many, despise needless, <--Read All)
installers. I haven't tried it mainly for that reason.

Back to Xnews

Besides, the only reason for me to look for something better
than Xnews would be for superior binary/resource handling.

The ability to deal with a large amount of headers better than
it currently does, but if you stay within reasonable header
limits, It does binaries well enough for me. Of course Xpat
searching across multiple NGS, and NZB file type handling would
be nice.

 

[Bob Adkins]

Not true. I just don't feel the need for a bloated 4.3MB client to read
news.

Don't forget that Dialog is a very competent mail client as well.

I got used to Agent with integrated mail and news, and now I can't use a
news reader that doesn't have mail.

Bob

Remove "kins" from address to reply.

 

[Harvey Van Sickle]

On 26 Feb 2004, Bob Adkins wrote

Don't forget that Dialog is a very competent mail client as well.

I got used to Agent with integrated mail and news, and now I can't
use a news reader that doesn't have mail.

That's fine if you *want* a news-plus-mail client.

For those of us who don't (I use Pocomail, and am very happy with it),
the mailing capabilities of a newsreader aren't relevant -- it's just
extra, unwanted baggage.

 

[Sietse Fliege]

In those versions prior to the "broken" one, Xnews placed the cursor
at the bottom which caused you to have to scroll up to snip and
inter-post responses. In the latest beta version, Xnews places the
cursor at the top in the editor. While this does make it easier to
snip and inter-post, it also makes it too convenient to not bother
snipping at all and to simply top post.

It's a lose-lose situation. I understand Luu's reasoning in making
the change. I just don't think that he weighed which was the lesser
of the two evils.

The cursor at the top indeed 'makes it easier to snip and inter-post'.
I do not understand how this at the same time 'makes it too convenient
not to bother snipping at all'.

I assume that the latest version of Xnews places the sig at the bottom.
Only if it would place the sig at the top, it would 'make it too
convenient to simply top post'.

The position of the cursor is relevant w.r.t. snipping/interposting and
the position of the sig is relevant w.r.t.top/bottom posting, IMO.

OE with OE-QuoteFix offers me two independent choices, e.g. my settings:
cursor at the top and sig at the bottom.

 

[DC]

DC wrote:

In those versions prior to the "broken" one, Xnews placed the cursor
at the bottom which caused you to have to scroll up to snip and
inter-post responses. In the latest beta version, Xnews places the
cursor at the top in the editor. While this does make it easier to
snip and inter-post, it also makes it too convenient to not bother
snipping at all and to simply top post.

[...]

The cursor at the top indeed 'makes it easier to snip and inter-post'.
I do not understand how this at the same time 'makes it too convenient
not to bother snipping at all'.

Select followup, type something, hit send. You've just topposted. What
is so difficult to understand about that?

I assume that the latest version of Xnews places the sig at the bottom.
Only if it would place the sig at the top, it would 'make it too
convenient to simply top post'.

Sig positioning has nothing to do with it.

The position of the cursor is relevant w.r.t. snipping/interposting and
the position of the sig is relevant w.r.t.top/bottom posting, IMO.

How does "placing your response above the quoted text" (toposting) have
*anything* to do with where the sig is?

OE with OE-QuoteFix offers me two independent choices, e.g. my settings:
cursor at the top and sig at the bottom.

You're missing the point entirely.

 

[John Fitzsimons]

["dszady"; Tue, 24 Feb 2004 06:15:04 GMT]
40tude Dialog v 2.0.10.1 (Beta 33)
http://www.pricelessware.org/2004/PL2004INTERNET.htm#A106
Just DL'd it, and boy am I impressed. But will it sway me from Xnews ...?
XanaNews didn't. (It needs more time to mature.)

The only Xnews users who aren't impressed with Dialog are those who
haven't tried it and/or who haven't bothered to learn just how
powerful Dialog is.

Not true. I just don't feel the need for a bloated 4.3MB client to read
news.

Dialog includes a spell checker. How big is Xnews plus a spell
checker ?

Regards, John.

 

[DC]

John Fitzsimons wrote:

[...]

Not true. I just don't feel the need for a bloated 4.3MB client to read
news.

Dialog includes a spell checker. How big is Xnews plus a spell
checker ?

I don't need a spell checker. I don't need my newsreader to do email.
I don't need offline reading capabilities. I don't need...

 

[Sietse Fliege]

DC wrote:

In those versions prior to the "broken" one, Xnews placed the cursor
at the bottom which caused you to have to scroll up to snip and
inter-post responses. In the latest beta version, Xnews places the
cursor at the top in the editor. While this does make it easier to
snip and inter-post, it also makes it too convenient to not bother
snipping at all and to simply top post.

[...]

The cursor at the top indeed 'makes it easier to snip and
inter-post'. I do not understand how this at the same time 'makes it
too convenient not to bother snipping at all'.

Select followup, type something, hit send. You've just topposted.
What is so difficult to understand about that?

Huh???? I commented on snipping, not topposting. Didn't use the word.
Do try and pay attention.

'The cursor at the top makes it easier to snip' does makes sense.
So it would be the cursor at the bottom, not at the top, which might
'make it too convenient to not bother snipping at all'.
What is so difficult to understand about that?

Sig positioning has nothing to do with it.

Come again?
See my comment right below, where you repeat this nonsense.

By the way, you did not bother to tell if my assumption was correct,
that the latest version of Xnews places the sig at the bottom, so I
still don't know.

How does "placing your response above the quoted text" (toposting)
have *anything* to do with where the sig is?

What is so difficult to understand about that? Must I spell it out?

When you'ld prefer to place your response below the quoted text (bottom
post), but your news reader automatically places the sig at the top,
you'ld have a problem, wouldn't you now?
Who in his right mind would bottom post but leave the sig at the top?
So you would have to cut and paste the sig in order to reposition it.
Or you might give up using the automatic sig feature.
Or you might not want to bother and simply top post.

Similarly, when you'ld prefer to place your response above the quoted
text (top post), but your news reader automatically places the sig at
the bottom, below the quoted text, you'ld have a problem, as you'ld
rather have the sig directly below your response and above the quoted
text.

Does this help?

You're missing the point entirely.

Do try and get a clue.

 

[DC]

DC wrote:
In those versions prior to the "broken" one, Xnews placed the cursor
at the bottom which caused you to have to scroll up to snip and
inter-post responses. In the latest beta version, Xnews places the
cursor at the top in the editor. While this does make it easier to
snip and inter-post, it also makes it too convenient to not bother
snipping at all and to simply top post. [...]
The cursor at the top indeed 'makes it easier to snip and
inter-post'. I do not understand how this at the same time 'makes it
too convenient not to bother snipping at all'.

Select followup, type something, hit send. You've just topposted.
What is so difficult to understand about that?

Huh???? I commented on snipping, not topposting. Didn't use the word.
Do try and pay attention.

Do try to quote me in context. I *did* use the word, which you
conveniently chose not to quote, and changed the subject. Had you paid
attention, you would have noticed that.

'The cursor at the top makes it easier to snip' does makes sense.
So it would be the cursor at the bottom, not at the top, which might
'make it too convenient to not bother snipping at all'.
What is so difficult to understand about that?

Again, you did not quote me properly. *Your* lack of understanding
obviously stems from your inability to finish reading simple sentences.

Come again?

What I said.

See my comment right below, where you repeat this nonsense.
Okay...

By the way, you did not bother to tell if my assumption was correct,
that the latest version of Xnews places the sig at the bottom, so I
still don't know.

At the bottom, where it belongs. Why? Does your 'client' sign your
posts at the top for you in case you forget by the time you're done
typing?

What is so difficult to understand about that? Must I spell it out?

You might as well. I can't down-shift fast enough to keep up with your
train of thought.

When you'ld prefer to place your response below the quoted text (bottom
post), but your news reader automatically places the sig at the top,
you'ld have a problem, wouldn't you now?

No, I'd probably have OE.

Who in his right mind would bottom post but leave the sig at the top?

What client, other than OE, is this stupid?

My newsreaders properly place my sig at the end of my posts. When I
write a memo or a letter, people expect me to sign it at the bottom, not
at the top, not in the margin, not on the back of the envelope...

Why anyone would endure having to physically relocate their sig from the
top (!!!) to the bottom is a complete mystery to me.

So you would have to cut and paste the sig in order to reposition it.
Or you might give up using the automatic sig feature.
Or you might not want to bother and simply top post.
ROTFL.

Similarly, when you'ld prefer to place your response above the quoted
text (top post), but your news reader automatically places the sig at
the bottom, below the quoted text, you'ld have a problem, as you'ld
rather have the sig directly below your response and above the quoted
text.

I do not top post, nor do I read books back-to-front, pages
top-to-bottom... And, FTR, I haven't tried listening to my vinyl
records backwards for over 25 years.

Why?

Because it doesn't make any goddamn sense.

Does this help?

Does this?

http://allmyfaqs.com/faq.pl?How_to_post
http://www.dickalba.demon.co.uk/usenet/guide/faq_topp.html
http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/2000/06/14/quoting.html#1.2
http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html
http://www.html-faq.com/etiquette/?toppost
http://www.star-one.org.uk/computer/format.htm
http://www.usenet.org.uk/ukpost.html#s3
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/brox.html
http://www.i-hate-computers.demon.co.uk/

Sig at the bottom? My! How bleeding edge.

Do try and get a clue.

You're kidding, right?

 

[JanC]

Guess it is time to grab a copy of delphi 6 PE somewhere an build one
myself (after I refrsh my pascal knowledge )

There is an open source newsreader written in Delphi already: XanaNews.

I must have a copy of Delphi 6 PE and Delphi 7 PE, somewhere on a
PC Active cover-CD... But do you know Lazarus?

<http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/>
It's an open source Delphi-like RAD-IDE for & written in FreePascal.
Not 100% ready yet, but they use it to develop Lazarus itself, so it should
be useable.

 

[MightyKitten]

I got an copy of Delphi though an other thread, and it is working fine!
I knew about Lazarus, and indded, it is my second choice
I'm gonna install it on my Freeware PC Also...

By The way, I found also a 'replacement' for visual basic (it is about equal
to VB4)
but it is on the Computer upstaires and I cant recall the name at the
moment...
MightyKitten